Oak Island

[hung]

I just finished watching the five episodes of History Channel's Curse of Oak Island.
Hollywood is fascinating...
The part that the Lagina brothers bring the 'experts' of metal detection is amusing... a great joke.
The two idiots, err.. 'experts', from Kellyco bring a minelab floor polisher in and make poor Rick buy an expensive Lorenz X6, a piece of crap which cannot even make real time images. User needs to data record the field and later take it to a computer for analysis.
Then after the analysis in computer, the idio..err... 'experts' from kellyco show the Laginas lots of 'red' spots which is claimed to be gold or silver...
As 'experts' they did not even consider high mineralization, malfunction, false signals, etc, as a possibility.
Result: They later blamed the 'curse' of oak island for their bad luck.
I am sure that if they used a simple jeohunter or nokta, results could have been less bad and even if they were the same, Rick's pocket would hurt less...

Anyways, I think the LRLers should consider contacting the Lagina brothers to tell them the good news. The latest metal detection technology is called 'long range location'. Anyone?

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by hung

As 'experts' they did not even consider high mineralization, malfunction, false signals, etc, as a possibility.

Mainly they didn't consider that the whole Oak Island legend is fueled entirely by delusion, and there ain't nothing there to find. As such, an LRL is the ideal tool.

[Funfinder]

> whole Oak Island legend is fueled entirely by delusion, and there ain't nothing there to find.

In the very beginning they found rows of oak-beams each few feet below each others
and after drilling into that hole they found special stuff below it at a depth of over 20meters.
The whole mess started after the underground area gots flooded from the outside.


> an LRL is the ideal tool.

hung should go there but too bad, meanwhile the whole island is full of
long time ago modern treasure hunting stuff he would have to detect first.




btw. hung - since when you are a person who knows about real metal-detectors?
What are you writing?

> simple jeohunter or nokta, results could have been less bad

These are not simple detectors as you are thinking and if the find is buried too deep
you even will have no chance with a magnetometer there!
hung, why don't you start detecting ship-wrecks? You can't? Poor boy, oh my oh my!

And hung, if you think I'm in the mood to joke with you, you're wrong!
Guys like you are idiots err (this was just ironic because you did the same before,
just those from Kellyco are normal, compared with you) criminals who try to betray others
because they are also weak enough to betray themselves.
Prove us that you are not a criminal and demonstrate on a real repeatable
test-basis that your promoted LRL-crap is really working!

You even can't prove it to ONE single person who walks with you around together
while you are detecting just your own illusions and delusions !!!

Perhaps the people which are the source of your existence got a too high load
of missionary-blinding or you never stopped dreaming about fantasy-crap since a child!
Anyway, you are wrong here, hung. Get yourself to esoterical-meetings and other such
occasions where the lunatics meet and reaffirm each other with their weird ideas!

All you can offer us here is substanceless bla-bla-bla!

And hung, this here is not a game of inverted-psychology, so that the more others
attack you, the more you are motivated to do and think exactly the opposite!

You're just like a little kid that is fooling around here, which has absolutly nothing
to offer than stupid and worthless information-junk! In other words: LRL-troll.

Bye hung and be careful not geting lost in the jungle or wherever,
because nobody waits for such dyed-in-the-wool autists like you!
hung you are sickening, an effrontery for the whole rational technical thinking world!
And I'm shure you're even proud about so much stupidity!

We really need stronger laws that such other people scaming and betraying
daydreamers like hung are no longer allowed to be a part of the public world!
The correct place for them is the psychiatry or the jail, if they show no remorse!

[Robot]

The Oak Island Money Pit was constructed by the “powers that be” that were and still are to this day, the secret force that controls the course of mankind on earth.
This organization is known as - The “Freemasons”.

The story of The Oak Island Money Pit begins in the 1760’s
It was conceived by a number of Britain’s high ranking naval officers, who were also Masonic degree members of the Freemasons and belonging to the Masonic “Premier Grand Lodge of England”.
These Masons were members of the Whig Party opposed to the next successor to the throne, the unstable King George III.
These members were:
Washington Shirley, 5th Earl Ferrers – Vice Admiral - Grand Master of the Masonic Lodge – Premier Grand Lodge of England
George Anson, Baron Anson – Admiral of the Fleet
George Keppel, 3rd Earl of Albemarle - Commander-In-Chief
Augustus Keppel, 1st Viscount Keppel – Rear Admiral – Brother to George Keppel
William Keppel – Lieutenant-General – Brother to George Keppel
George Pocock – Admiral – Commander of the Invasion of Havana
and
Benjamin Franklin – First Grand Master of Pennsylvania who met in 1760 with the Grand Master of England to discuss their plan.

The Mason’s plot originated after King George III’s destruction of the Whig’s political power with his redirection of this power to the Tory Party, and the Mason’s concern of the imminent invasion of England, during the Seven Years’ War, by the joint forces of France and Spain. Spain outlawed all forms of secret organizations, including the Freemasons.

The Mason’s plan was to redirect a fortune to the “New World” (North America), to enable the transfer of the Masonic organization, if and when these fears materialized.
Their plan entailed the capture of Havana in 1762.
Havana’s Morro Castle was the Fort Knox of Spain, holding the South and Central America’s gold supply prior to its shipment to Spain.
The invasion of Havana was under the command of George Keppel, with Admiral George Pocock and Keppel’s two brothers Augustus and William Keppel, commanding the actual attack. They were successful with the capture of Havana and Fort Morro and its unprecedented amount of treasure. They also captured a number of the Spanish Fleet, which was needed to accomplish their plan. Accordingly, Admiral Pocock returned to England with the main English fleet carrying a portion of the treasure, while Augustus and William Keppel along with their crew and Masonic engineers all sworn to secrecy, manned the 8 Spanish Galleons and the 2 British Man of War. This treasure was diverted to a small island off the coast of New England and Nova Scotia now called Oak Island.

At Oak Island the treasure was buried based on the Masonic “Royal Arch” (Enoch’s Temple) consisting of nine arches going down nine levels by way of a main shaft (The Money Pit) which was dug down to the bedrock. From the ninth level another tunnel was constructed which ran back up to a point above the known water level, roughly 20 feet underground and at this point an enormous cavern was built to hold the treasure. The treasure was carted down the main shaft and placed up into this cavern. To conceal their plot they had the 8 Spanish ships dismantled with all the wooden parts not used in the construction of the shaft, tunnels and cavern burnt and all the metal parts (canons, anchors and bolts) were placed at the bottom of the main shaft. Flood tunnels were built out to the ocean to booby trap any treasure seekers attempts to follow down the main shaft. A large stone was placed at the air lock (8th level) as bait to activate the flooding. This stone had strange engravings on it to entice any unworthy treasure seekers to pause and take the bait (stone) away for deciphering, thus allowing time for the tunnels and main shaft to fill with water and be destroyed forever. The Masons knew exactly by their calculated mark above ground where the treasure cavern below ground was located, and could access it by digging down 20 feet.

Once the treasure was secured in the cavern and all the evidence was hidden from the island, it was documented that the Keppels sailed back to England with 2 ships and a small portion of the treasure. They claimed that the remainder of the fleet had sunk in a hurricane on route.

The Masons left several markers on the island to relocate the treasure.
1 large triangle or more precisely a crude Sextant
2 drilled holed stones
1 large stone cross
These combined markers along with the Star Map are used to cross triangulate and a set degree on the sextant point to the “X” where the cavern is today located.

Is the treasure still in this cavern?

I believe it was removed in 1795

One of the three original discoverers of the Money Pit was Daniel McGinnis, who stated he was drawn to the island when he noticed strange lights appearing on the island just prior to his discovery.
These lights were made by the Freemasons when they returned for their treasure.
This Masonic party was headed up by George Washington, President of the United States – acting Grand Master of the Washington DC Masons.

The treasure’s vast fortune was used, as planned, to further the power of the Freemasons in their new world, with them becoming “The New World Order”.

[Mike(Mont)]

Yeah, I have doubts about the coins they found. One had little corrosion on it--in a saltwater environment. I immediately thought that might be a plant. The guy knew exactly what it was. Didn't even look that excited.

I think they said at one time someone mined the area and brought back tons of ore that turned out to be fools gold. Very strange.

But I hope they keep digging and see one way or the other.

[Robot]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

Yeah, I have doubts about the coins they found. One had little corrosion on it--in a saltwater environment. I immediately thought that might be a plant. The guy knew exactly what it was. Didn't even look that excited.

I think they said at one time someone mined the area and brought back tons of ore that turned out to be fools gold. Very strange.

But I hope they keep digging and see one way or the other.

Was "Gold" or better yet "Fool's Gold" mined on Oak Island?

I believe the History Channel did a grave injustice to the Oak Island legend when it introduced that prior mining had occurred and that these underground tunnels are still located there.

Are we now to believe in such information that comes from this network, without them having produced any documentation or proof to verify?

The best article I can locate which states why Gold mining would not have been practical or even attempted is by Chesterbound:

Oak Island Gallery

"There are a number of areas within the province of Nova Scotia where considerable quantities of gold were once mined underground, and some where gold continues to be won. But could Oak Island have been the site of an underground gold mine as has been often suggested? Prior to the advent of the mechanical drill in the latter half of the nineteenth century, all underground metalliferous mines, virtually without exception, commenced with the discovery of outcrops of ore at ground surface. These outcrops were then followed underground. The richest goldfields in the world, those of the Witwatersrand of South Africa, began by working an outcrop discovered in 1852. Since then South Africa has produced half the world’s gold.As evidence of underground activity at the Money Pit was first noted in 1795, well before the invention of the mechanical drill, it may be supposed that any gold mining on Oak Island would have commenced with inclined shafts, or adits, driven from a rock outcrop. Unfortunately, there is an absence of any mention in the early historical records of derelict mining headgear existing on Oak Island in the vicinity of the Money Pit. The legendary tackle block suspended from the limb of the ancient oak, as reported by the boys who discovered the Money Pit, though suggestive of underground excavation, cannot be considered as headgear for a commercial mining enterprise. The inevitable adjuncts of such an operation would be piles of spoil and waste rock, and of these there is a total lack. Furthermore, the geological profile of the island, as determined by a deep borehole put down in 1983 (see Part IX), showed the soil overburden to consist of dense glacial till to a depth of 181 feet, which overlaid a 180 foot thick stratum of gypsum/anhydrite, which in turn was superimposed upon slate bedrock at a depth of 360 feet. The glacial till is most certainly devoid of any worthwhile gold in concentrated form, and in view of the geological processes involved in the deposition of gypsum/anhydrite, which are not conducive to gold deposition as this is an evaporite, any gold in the sequence of soil/rock strata beneath the Money Pit would be confined to the slate bedrock at considerably greater depths than that to which the Money Pit appears to have been excavated (210-230 feet). In view of the solubility of the gypsum/anhydrite bedrock any mining activity below sea level which penetrated into or through the gypsum/ anhydrite would be fraught with peril as we have seen (see Part IV). A brief comment may be made regarding exotic elements such as uranium and radium, as the suggestion is quite interesting. These are extremely reactive metals and never occur in their native states. It was not until the end of the nineteenth century that their existence was first suspected, and this eventually led to their isolation. Though both elements are widely distributed, they are also very minutely dispersed. The yield of radium from one metric ton of pitchblende is only 0.0001 gm. The isolation of both elements is a lengthy, expensive process even with modern technology."
Martin Frobisher did mine Iron Pyrite better known as "Fools Gold" but this was in Nunavut, 3000 kilometers from Oak Island.

Martin Frobisher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It rates right up there with claims of Cortez finding Aztec Gold here or that Columbus discovered Oak Island.

This has to be one of the most "Bizzare Stories" circulating on some "Sites", with very little research having gone into it!

[Mike(Mont)]

That's why I said very strange. As for tailings pile, if they wanted it a secret hiding place it would have been wise to remove the tailings. Radioactive materials? I don't even know about that, but The Arc of the Covenant may have contained some. Stories of tumors and glowing light you can't discount that the ancients knew about it. But everything about O.I. seems so unlikely except for the layers of logs. I guess we'll have to wait until next season.

[Robot]

They have signed a 5 year contract with "Prometheus Entertainment" for 5 more years on `History Channel`.
They will draw this out to no conclusion.
I have shown them where the ``Treasure Vault`` is located.

[Mike(Mont)]

It's way over my head.

[Funfinder]

Unbelievable how a little bit of water can
hinder experienced treasure-hunters for ages
to check out if there is something down a hole or not...

There exists gold-mines in Africa which go down 1000s of feet!
If those would work the same way they wouldn't come just 50meters below the surface.

Who cares about the water anyway, they have to dig away the gravel, dirt, mud and
whatever first with some remote by steel-wires operatable open-close bagger-shovel.
This can be done within a few days or weeks if they remove each hour 1 cubicmeter
of material. Sink the open shovel down, close it, drag it out, remove the stuff and do
this again until the hole will be empty enough for a little diving-trip.

Another "cool" idea would be: Freeze the whole da**ed thing by streaming
liquid freezing gas down and then use dynamite so you can remove the
ice-blocks and no more water can come in, because its all frozen 5meters thick.
Even blowing down icy air in winter-time already could work if its cold enough.

Or most easy: Please just dig a flat tunnel from the outside and don't make me crazy !!!


The main problem will start if they should find nothing inside the hole
or better - at that under-water-cave:

Then they will think it was the wrong place and they can start to dig
100s of holes all over that island - this is when the real "fun" starts ....