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11-03-2012, 10:32 AM
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Arriving late as always...
In 1857, french researcher Allan Kardec published a revolutionary book called 'The Book of Spirits'. It contained outstanding and daring topics regarding science, morale, philosophy, psychology, biology and many other subjects.
Actually the book was compiled by him under 'spirits' guidance. It covered around a thousand questions he asks and spirits respond through channeling of several psychics living in different places and who did not know each other. The book was written in a time Paris was facing the advent of the 'turning tables' phenomena. So, it would offer evidence that there is no death. The individual is immortal and is comprised of a much more complex structure other than ordinary flesh, blood and bones. In reality a type of 'quantum fluid being', since there is still no correct term for an exact definition. In the end of the book, Kardec states that should Science prove along time that the conclusions of the book were incorrect, then science should prevail and relied to. It happens that since then, not a single statement of that book was contradicted by science. And now, exactly 155 years later, science one more time arriving late, and with a few jumped conclusions, proves the key factor of the book. The existence of the soul. http://scienceray.com/physics/quantu...g-researchers/
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11-03-2012, 05:14 PM
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 Total garbage! Everything in this book has been disproved by science many times over. Did you ever take any science classes at school, or were you asleep?
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11-03-2012, 05:59 PM
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Maybe you are the first neanderthal that can write. Congratulations.
Now it's time for you to move to the next step: association of words.
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11-04-2012, 12:06 AM
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Allan Kardec was obviously a revolutionary spirit genius. Do you think he helped Alonso design the electronics for the Mineoro DCH85 long range locator? Best Wishes, J_P
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11-04-2012, 06:22 AM
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I find this an interesting post. I am not intrigued by the actual subject of "spirit guidance" ... Noooo... What I find intriguing is the use of the word "garbage". In the USA, garbage is the standard word we use for things which are thrown in a trash can. But in the UK, I usually hear the term "rubbish" rather than "garbage". I realize both words mean approximately the same thing, but there may be slight differences. I have always thought of rubbish as a word which refers to office refuse, and things which might be swept off the floor and thrown into a trash can. But garbage has a slightly different connotation in my view... I think of garbage to be more heavily weighted with biological refuse, such as discarded parts of vegetable and meat trimmings from the kitchen. Admittedly, I am too lazy to look it up on google to find the answer, but the answer might be more meaningful coming from a technical person from the UK, to compare notes. I am sure that whether we call it garbage or rubbish, the meaning is the same for Allan Kardec and for hungscience. But still, I would like to hear an opinion of any difference between the two words from the UK. Is it garbage.... or is it rubbish?  Best Wishes,  J_P
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11-04-2012, 01:53 PM
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Blasphemy is the artifact of the unreasoned.
For once try to present rational inputs instead of some 'deja vu' behavior prior to your promotion as a biped. Dr. Hameroff and Dr. Penrose recently proved something that had already been announced 155 years ago in Kardec's Spirit's Book. Altough Hameroff is mistaken when he states that the quantum information is dissipated and distributed in the universe, since in this case it is not dissipated and retains integrity, their contribution to the scientific comunity is important. Here's what is in the book regarding the subject and note how this had already been disclosed in that era: Question 139. Certain spirits, and certain philosophers before them, have defined the soul as "An animated spark that has emanated from the Great Whole"; why this contradiction?' "There is nothing contradictory in such a definition. Everything depends on the meaning you attribute to the words you use. Why have you not a word for each thing?" The word soul is employed to express very different things. Sometimes It is used to designate the principle of life and in this sense it is correct to say, figuratively, that the soul is an animated spark that has emanated from the Great Whole. These latter words designate the universal source of the vital principle, of which each being absorbs a portion, that returns to the general mass after its death. This Idea does not exclude that of a moral being, a distinct personality. independent of matter, and preserving Its own individuality It is this being which. at other times, is called the soul, and it is in this sense that we speak of the soul as an incarnate spirit. In giving different definitions of soul, the spirits who have given them have spoken according to their various ways of applyng that word, and also according to the terrestrial ideas with which they are more or less imbued. This apparent confusion results from the insufficiency of human language, which does not possess a specific word for each idea an insufficiency that gives rise to a vast number of misapprehensions and discussions. It is for this reason that the higher spirits tell us to begin by distinctly defining the meaning of the words we employ.
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11-04-2012, 10:38 PM
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11-05-2012, 08:05 AM
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Your reaction was expected.
Unable to provide a miserable single productive input. Incompetent knowledge on even the most basic science to comment on both physicists' work. You are the living proof of question 19: 19. Cannot man, through scientific investigation, penetrate some of the secrets of nature.? "The faculty of scientific research has been given to him as a means by which he may advance in every direction; but he cannot overstep the limits of his present possibilities." The farther man advances in the study of the mysteries around him, the greater should be his admiration of the power and wisdom of the Creator. But, partly through pride, partly through weakness, his intellect itself often renders him the sport of illusion. He heaps systems upon systems; and every day shows him how many errors he has mistaken for truths, how many truths he has repelled as errors. Ail this should be a lesson for his pride. Book link for rational thinking people to read: http://www.geae.inf.br/en/books/codification/sb.pdf Ignorance causes drowsiness indeed.
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11-05-2012, 02:44 PM
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11-05-2012, 09:51 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Kardec Allan Kardec is the pen name of the French teacher and educator Hippolyte Léon Denizard Rivail. He was a teacher of mathematics, physics, chemistry, astronomy, physiology, comparative anatomy and French in Paris. Further on it states: As a teacher with little scientific background (he had never attended a university), Rivail decided to do his own research. ... I wonder how he managed to teach physics , chemistry and astronomy then?
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11-06-2012, 02:39 PM
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Kardec was no different. You see, the 'turning tables' phenomena, around Paris at that time, was puzzling the scientific community. Kardec with all his knowledge in several matters, decided to investigate it deeply. The Spirit's book was the spirits' answers work to more than 1,000 questions he asked these evolved entities about several subjects in physics, biology, moral, chemistry, philosophy etc. The most remarkable aspect is that the answers were provided through 'channeling' by several psychics around Europe back then and they did not know each other. So, in order to check for the authenticity and correctness of the answers, the same questions were sent to different persons. When the answers returned, the ones that were similar, were used. No psychic involved in the work, mostly women, had any scientific knowledge whatsoever to provide so deep, solid and evolved answers to the questions featured in the book. This was an overwhelming evidence that spiritual entities with a high moral evolution were providing them. Recently as I show in my first post, two physicists proved the existence of the 'soul'. Actually, this has been already accepted by many of them in the past, only no publicity was given, for obscure interests and reasons. But now, it seems there is no way to run anymore in denying the obvious. This week, scientists discovered that synthetic magnetism can change direction of light, in this case, photons. What they did was to break in pieces on basic law of classic physics known as 'light's reverse time symmetry'. So, as you see, current scientific knowledge is still crawling. Science is one and only, but the knowledge to understand the phenomena correctly is still insignificant compared to what lies to be learned. No wonder Kardec stated: If science happens to prove anything in this book wrong, stick to science'. So far, nothing in that book has been disproved. On the contrary, everyday, science proves each and every point to be correct.
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11-06-2012, 03:21 PM
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Even if Kardek was correct, this does not mean that your LRL is something like real LRL.
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11-06-2012, 09:25 PM
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Time to wake up to reality.
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11-07-2012, 09:34 AM
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It teaches the betterment of manking and speaks about many subjects with deep knowledge. I don't think it's religion only. Yes, maybe a shock in the past.
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11-07-2012, 09:50 AM
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 Here we are served a heaping pile of hungscience again, disguised to appear as scientific proof. Hung is lying to us again. 1. Unfounded claims. Dr. hung tells us how Allan Kardak wrote a book of messages which he recieved from spirits while his partner who was under a trance. (Allan Kardac's partner and co-author of this book was Celina Bequet was a professional sleep-walker sometimes gave out medical advice during her trance sessions). * http://www.answers.com/topic/allan-kardec When we read this book, we see it is a book which says we will be reincarnated many times here or on other planets, because we are among the imperfect or impure spirits. Of course, you must believe in spirits before you can believe that Allan Kardak transcribed words of a spirit from a trance, then you must believe in reincarnation before you can believe you will be reincarnated on a different planet. However, this book is all hypothetical BS... How do we know Allan Kardak really recorded the words of spirits in his book? How do we know he didn't simply start writing a book, then show his "sleepwalker co-author" what should be said, while pretending to be in a trance with spirits? How do we know there existed any spirits for her to talk to? How do we know he didn't recruit a number of mediums to cooperate with his plan to produce a book to glorify their profession? Kardac recording spirit communications seems as likely as Alonso finding treasure with his FG90 beeping at a hidden transmitter causing it to beep. 2. Kardac was in it for the money. Kardac was a high school teacher became interested in spiritism as a way to explain supposed spirits causing "table turning" during spirit-conjuring sessions by spiritists. Then he wrote his book which suitably explained that spirits caused the table turning to happen. The year after he published his book, he revised it, and it then became a commercial success. How can you revise the words which come from supposed spirits? Wait, I know... If it doesn't sell the way you first wrote it, then revise it so it is more commercially viable. It seems Kardac was careful to never mention several of his competing fellow French mediums in the monthly magazine he founded. Nor did he devote any attention to them in Society of Psychologic Studies, where he was president. Kardac even ignored the important mediumship of D. D. Home after the medium declared himself to be against reincarnation. Of course commercial profits probably had nothing to do with revising the text in his book or ignoring other important competing mediums working at similar aims. But at the same time Kardac was writing his book, others were saying all this "table turning" phenomenon is a hoax and a fraud. Finally an English scientist, Michael Faraday proved it was a fraud. Michael Faraday devised some simple apparatus which conclusively demonstrated that the movements he investigated were due to unconscious muscular action. The apparatus consisted of two small boards, with glass rollers between them, the whole fastened together by india-rubber bands in such a manner that the upper board could slide under lateral pressure to a limited extent over the lower one. The occurrence of such lateral movement was at once indicated by means of an upright haystalk fastened to the apparatus. When by this means it was made clear to the experimenters that it was the fingers which moved the table, not the table the fingers, the phenomena generally ceased. * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table-turning Do the medium's table move due to unconscious muscular action (the ideomotor effect) or even deliberate fraud?  3. Dr. hung lied to us. Dr. hung tells us "And now, exactly 155 years later, science one more time arriving late, and with a few jumped conclusions, proves the key factor of the book. The existence of the soul". Then Dr. hung shows us how this link so we can know how science proves the existence of the soul: http://scienceray.com/physics/quantu...g-researchers/ Originally Posted by hung "So far, nothing in that book has been disproved. On the contrary, everyday, science proves each and every point to be correct". What is this science article? Is it scientific proof? Noooo.... This is an article written by a Romanian online product reseller who calls himself afaceristonline... NOT by scientists Dr. Stuart Hameroff and Sir Roger Penrose! Dr. Hung sent us the fake write-up which shows false information about the science discoveries of Hameroff and Penrose! The question comes to mind: How many articles by Dr. Stuart Hameroff and Sir Roger Penrose must you read before you find one that was not written by them, and tells false information bad enough to support hungscience? I think you would need to read at least 8000 scientific articles about the Hameroff-Penrose theory before you would be likely to find a fake one that you could use to fool people to believe hungscience. But, sure enough, Dr. hung found a fake science article he could use to fool people with. Read what they really wrote in their books: "The Emperor's New Mind", and "Shadows of the Mind". In these books you will see they have absolutely nothing to do with souls or religion. These scientists formulated theories that certain Quantum mechanisms play a key role in causing a person to maintain consciousness rather than to become unconscious. Their scholarly works led to the Microtubule hypothesis, which might explain what causes a person to maintain their consciousness, or become unconscious. Of course, there is still much debate that will continue until they show some real proof that their Microtubule hypothesis is responsible for maintaining consciousness. If you can't read Sir Roger Penrose's books, listen to his talk and see his lecture notes which explain his hypothesis here: http://online.kitp.ucsb.edu/plecture/penrose/ Does this sound like proof that a soul exists? They were talking about what mechanism will cause you to become unconscious, not about souls or religion. Neither of these scientists ever made any claims about souls. In fact, Penrose does not hold to any religious doctrine, and refers to himself as an atheist. See here where Sir Roger Penrose uses the word "elegant" to describe Sam Harris's book to defend people who might be athiest: http://www.samharris.org/letter-to-a-christian-nation Quote:
What is all this BS? Is it garbage, or is it rubbish? It is neither... It is pure crap! And this is the biggest plateful we had shoveled our way yet. Hung is trying to promote his favorite cult religion by lying to us; He and thinks we will belive scientists proved this religion is correct. But this time it goes farther. His lie also serves to fool people into thinking scientists proved souls exist. Nothing could be further than the truth. This is what is wrong with this forum. We have people who deliberately post lies and information which they know is false in order to fool people. Most readers don't bother to check to find out that hung was lying to us, and telling us false claims about scientific proof. They don't even know these scientists are atheists who never talked about souls, or religion, and they never made any proofs at all...! Most readers would not bother to learn that Michael Faraday proved there are no spirits moving tables for these mediums. Yet we have people who are permitted to post all the lies they want if it helps them fool people to believe superstitions, and pseudoscience. What good have we ever received from Dr. Hung? We watched his faked video which is intended to fool us into believing he built a really, really working long range locator. We read every manner of fake science BS which even high school students know is wrong. We read lies that fool some of the less-educated people. We read stupid arguments which make you laugh (I guess that's a good thing) Look at what hungscience has clogged our forum up with: Originally Posted by hung "Gold is the most powerful 'self defensive' metal when it comes to avoid any harm to its structure, such as rust, oxidation, etc. Its DNA produces a substance which coats the metal to fight against those 'threats'." "here is is the principle in which the Rangertell Examiner works. Resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned". "Back to the Examiner’s concept, there’s a portion in ECE which I already mentioned which might explain how the magnetic fields produced by the unit even diminute might be working provided one gets free of the standard Maxwell Heaviside concept and maybe start to find some backup on the Aharonov-Bohm and the field and potential relationship..." "If you navigate the internet correctly, you will find out how ALL scientific comunity in the world utilizes AIAS as basis for their research". "When you have voltage ... as a flowing constant also, resistance does oppose to it". "The UV ... is absorbed by the surface of the earth. This parcel which is absorbed is THE ONLY souce of heat for our planet and it occurs during the sunlight period". "So, IT'S NOT the IR from the sun which is responsible for the heating process , but the UV short radiation absorbed which causes IR to be released by the earth's surface". "You think of voltage as a potential. It's not only a potential, but also a flow as electromotive force. Wake up! If voltage is too high it travels through the nucleous of the conductor. If lower it travesl through the surface! Current is a 'control' of this flow. Ask Mr. John Bedini to demonstrate his motor to you. Ask him what voltage is". "science one more time arriving late, and with a few jumped conclusions, proves the key factor of the book. The existence of the soul". "Dude, science is not mine or yours". Why isn't this crap moved to a special thread called "Dr. hung BS" with a warning label on it so people won't waste their time? Best Wishes, J_P
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11-07-2012, 10:22 AM
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Thanks, for one more of your great analysis, J_P, again.
Worth to collect your such contributions here in one "LRL-Spirit book".
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11-07-2012, 10:02 PM
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[QUOTE=hung;143967]In 1857, french researcher Allan Kardec published a revolutionary book called 'The Book of Spirits'. It contained outstanding and daring topics regarding science, morale, philosophy, psychology, biology and many other subjects.
Actually the book was compiled by him under 'spirits' guidance. It covered around a thousand questions he asks and spirits respond through channeling of several psychics living in different places and who did not know each other. The book was written in a time Paris was facing the advent of the 'turning tables' phenomena. So, it would offer evidence that there is no death. The individual is immortal and is comprised of a much more complex structure other than ordinary flesh, blood and bones. In reality a type of 'quantum fluid being', since there is still no correct term for an exact definition. In the end of the book, Kardec states that should Science prove along time that the conclusions of the book were incorrect, then science should prevail and relied to. It happens that since then, not a single statement of that book was contradicted by science. And now, exactly 155 years later, science one more time arriving late, and with a few jumped conclusions, proves the key factor of the book. The existence of the soul. http://scienceray.com/physics/quantu...g-researchers/[/QUOTE : Lol: : Lol: : Razz:
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11-07-2012, 10:05 PM
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[QUOTE=kostas87;144077][QUOTE=hung;143967]In 1857, french researcher Allan Kardec published a revolutionary book called 'The Book of Spirits'. It contained outstanding and daring topics regarding science, morale, philosophy, psychology, biology and many other subjects.
Actually the book was compiled by him under 'spirits' guidance. It covered around a thousand questions he asks and spirits respond through channeling of several psychics living in different places and who did not know each other. The book was written in a time Paris was facing the advent of the 'turning tables' phenomena. So, it would offer evidence that there is no death. The individual is immortal and is comprised of a much more complex structure other than ordinary flesh, blood and bones. In reality a type of 'quantum fluid being', since there is still no correct term for an exact definition. In the end of the book, Kardec states that should Science prove along time that the conclusions of the book were incorrect, then science should prevail and relied to. It happens that since then, not a single statement of that book was contradicted by science. And now, exactly 155 years later, science one more time arriving late, and with a few jumped conclusions, proves the key factor of the book. The existence of the soul. http://scienceray.com/physics/quantu...g-researchers/[/QUOTE : Lol:
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11-08-2012, 10:00 AM
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The Spirits Book main accomplishment was to 'kill' death actually, proving the immortality of the being, soul, spirit, or whatever term different cultures might employ to describe it. Kardec wrote 5 more books that form the essence of the 'spirits' doctrine' or Spiritism. Tough it was 'born' in France, Brazil is the Country with most adepts. Today, there are millions of 'spiritsts' here, growing more in number than Catholicism. And interesting enough, the rich and more educated people makes up almost 80% of them, proving that the books are not easy reading and require a degree of education not generally found in illiterate people. I also point to the answers covering the 'atheist principle' in the book. In physics we know that everything has a primary cause. Tough it's not my intention to waste a microsecond of my life discussing with atheists EVER, provided that the degree of stupidity inhabiting their hollow heads is huge, there are some remarkable moments in the book about it. When Kardec asks the spirits about God, he asks 'what is' and not 'who is' God. And what the spirits answer? 'Supreme Intelligence, first-cause of all things'. Perfect. There can only be a supreme cause to the 'entropy' of the universe. 8. What is to be thought of the opinion that attributes the first formation of things to a fortuitous combination of matter, in other words, to chance? "Another absurdity! Who that is possessed of common sense can regard chance as an intelligent agent? And, besides, what is chance? Nothing." The harmony which regulates the mechanism of the universe can only result from combinations adopted in view of predetermined ends, and thus, by its very nature, reveals the existence of an Intelligent Power. To attribute the first formation of things to chance is nonsense for chance cannot produce the results of intelligence. If chance could be intelligent, it would cease to be chance. PS. I assume you saved the file in that link. For whatever reasons, it is not working. So here is an alternate link for the book. http://www.innerenlightenment.com/fi...ritis_Book.pdf The other books http://www.innerenlightenment.com/e-Books.html
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Stolen idea from ancient Greek Philosopher? You must read something more in your life than those spirituous-full Kardec.
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11-08-2012, 10:57 AM
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Table turning (sometimes called table tipping), ouija boards, dowsing rods and pendulums all have one thing in common ... the ideomotor effect. Forget spirits, ghosts, ghoulies and things that go bump in the night. Real science has the answers, whether you like it or not. As I said before, time to wake up to the real world. By the way (coincidentally) it would have been Bram Stoker's 165th birthday today. 
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Did you forget that Michael Faraday was a scientist who proved conclusively that the "table turning" was a fraud, and the table turners ceased after they were found out? You told us the scientists proved the existence of a soul, by showing us a fake scientific article with false information. Now you are saying the same atheist scientists who you claim proved the existence of a soul have a huge degree of stupidity inhabiting their hollow head? You lied to us beginning with your first post, and you are lying again..! You certainly wasted your time with the atheist scientists... You lied about what they said the very beginning of your posts to show us "proof". You tried to try to fool us into believing they confirmed that this book is supported by science. Tell us now... Do you still say these scientists proved the existence of a soul? Do you still say they support anything written in your favorite book by Kardac? Calling these scientists stupid hollow heads because your lie was discovered does not change the facts. We can read over 8000 scientific articles online about their work which show that they never considered the proof of a soul or any other of your religious or pseudoscience propaganda. You don't fool us, hung! The only science which supports your favorite cult-religion is hungscience. Best Wishes, J_P
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