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05-07-2010, 04:52 PM
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ICONOS MD 807
finaly this iconos not working at all? the owners want to add there axpierience?
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#2
05-07-2010, 11:54 PM
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Iconos
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How you know the ICONOS not work as LRL ? Do you already try this LRL in your treasure place ? According Geo,he found one gold fragment 4 m distance... I think he not lie to this forum.
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05-08-2010, 01:34 PM
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iconos
i dont now i m asking.i m thinking to bay one iconos.is someone now who is sell it?
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05-08-2010, 04:58 PM
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Yes,the ICONOS is your best choice,please buy one in your country Greece  I think is very cheap LRL ...
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05-09-2010, 10:25 AM
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iconos
is someone else found something whith iconos or dch85m?
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05-09-2010, 07:25 PM
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iconos
what do you mean that iconos is my best choise?is the best PD you ever test it?
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05-17-2010, 02:51 AM
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@ takhslambos
Where can you still buy this device and what's the price? I found out this info here http://www.hotlinekw.com/iconos_md_ic807.htm and that their formerly page no longer exists: http://www.iconos-md.eu/ and here 2 years ago a customer from china was very unsatisfied: http://174.132.129.189/~moreland/for...ad.php?t=14262 @ Geo Quote:
I wonder why it's fixed to "gold only" - I don't hope because long time buried gold is so seldom almost noone can prove if the unit really works? Would be much better if it's able to select between different metals.
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#8
05-17-2010, 04:54 PM
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ICONOS
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WHAT IS ICONOS ??? Long Range Locator,work electromagnetic resonance,head with Gold sample.The same is MINEORO DCH 85. Some people buy this devices and want to find treasure in the garden,very funny,if not find,they become unappy...This need a lot of expeditions and tests,and probably in 500 places can be found one treasure. About distances,this LRL´s can found treasure 80 meters,and gold coin (with sparzed signals) not more than 10 meters,always need metal detector for pinpoint. The great distances they put in their sites are ILUSION. I not give advice here for people by this expensive detectors,i say better try to build similar device with low cost price (see my threads )and try in the fields,results will be the same. Regards
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#9
05-18-2010, 03:16 AM
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Hi Morgan,
Thanx for the answer. It is great that you have tested and selfmade such ionic detectors but there are some points generally very mysterious: @ "Mineoro FG79 Price?" in Post #7 from 2008 you've been totally against them: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...t=mineoro+fg79 Is this because those devices doesn't work outside of Brazil - not in equation with different ionic-fields or something? If so, is there a Mineoro Model that works everywhere and do you still have some to sell? Next: @ LRL Ionic/Electrostatic energy field locator Page 5 http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...t=14731&page=5 hung in post #116 wrote: Quote:
http://www.mineoro.com/goldDetectors/finding_mexico.php# that the PDC210 no longer is produced but replaced by the much more sensitive FG80. What does this mean? Was hung right with his test results or was it a lie and is the PDC210 better? @ "new mineoro video" hung also found a piece of copper-tube in an ancient city - post 7 - just from a month ago: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...ht=copper+tube Again with the PDC210. I guess the PDC210 is much better because it also shows other metal-signals. As you said, large and long time ago buried gold is very seldom - perhaps 1 out of 500 places, so it's stupid focussing on gold only and frustrating alot customers that throw away there LRLs because they find nothing at all! I could built the ionic detector and because I found that LM324N opamp also the Gold Gun AL718 out of scratch with some mods and alot additional experimenting but when I read the info of "hung" and your formerly Mineoro statements I wonder what's really right or wrong now and why those devices should work under brazil conditions and not with european. btw. thanx for the nice pic - under what circumstances and from which distance did you found this cache?
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05-18-2010, 01:10 PM
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This cache was found not more than 20 m distance and deep was 60 cm. Was found with Pistoldetektor prototype ,one copy of the original,this you can see in yootube working as demonstration.
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05-18-2010, 01:22 PM
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About MINEORO Yes,i´m against the huge prices of mineoro products and the propaganda of LRL performance are not true. Until now i get results with my DC2008 model,thats becouse i stop sell my MINEORO,i find that it can work but NOT AS THEY PUT IN THE SITE. Mineoro DC2008 work very defective when is to find objects in gold. My finds with DC2008 : Large silver coin 4 meters distance (only sparzed sounds around the target,impossible to pinpoint) Golden buckle (similar distance,sparzed sounds around,not possible to pinpoint) A few objects in the beach (the same behavior) treasure i never found with MINEORO,but i think is possible. So you can build one LRL project,i think results will be the same,and you save your money.
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05-19-2010, 02:21 AM
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Thx morgan and it's very good you bring the important facts up: "Not working as described".
Sparzed sounds from a detector that costs 1000s of dollars... - even if 4m for a coin is a respectable distance! But what you do if the sounds vanish in thin air or the pinpointing with an usual MD fails... We need reliable equipment and signals - we also don't use shovels made out of cardboard - we have to analyze the real potential and "quality" and don't rely on "good looking" advertisment infos! What I'm missing is the shielding in other directions! I built a cantenna for WLan WiFi and worked alot with antennas and ant.amps and have 3 sat-dishes on the roof and they all work directional! So how a LRL should work properly if it receives "ball-like" the EM-disturbances from all directions? And this is even if the antenna has some "directive form" as long as it is not properly shielded or housed in a metal-tube like my USB Stick cantenna below, which still has a 45° working field. The Mineoro is in a wooden box because of reducing static electricity-fields and I doubt it has a directional shielding inside at all. Before I will put many hours in electronical building, engineering, testing and finetuning work: Please tell me if the ionic-electrostatic field detector from 2008 found here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14731 is the best choice or do exist better schematics meanwhile? The same question about the Alonso PistolDetector (is this the same as Gold Gun AL718?) you and Geo prefer. Of course I will tell you in return if I'll find out any improvements (of course I will make them), because I can put really exTreme huge effort into something and can make excessive tests, too.
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05-19-2010, 05:24 AM
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Hi
My opinion is that if you want directivity by electromagnetic fields in these LRL's it is difficult to acomplish because the frequencies involved are too low with huge wavelengths, therefore the best way to have precise directivity as an LRL is by infrared detection, like Esteban has shown. Regards
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05-19-2010, 05:48 AM
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@ Morgan
Oh - now I see there is a first post concerning the cache (btw. the main post from me also is above) - 20m is really fantastic!  Is the pistol you used the same system Geo found the mine a few weeks ago? Hi Astrodetect, infrared already uses a very short wavelenght between light and microwaves so I don't know what you exactly mean. Could it be some of these LRLs are just simple EM-Field Meters? Using FETs and gold as electrode just because it has near same electrostatic attributes like air? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_fieldmeter http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektrofeldmeter However at least the magnetic flux between the earth-caps is directional and the gravitation also. btw. I wanna try out that: "ic burns near treasure"-circuit or schematic. Where can I find it? 
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05-19-2010, 02:06 PM
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Hello The LRL i post schematic in 2008,is experimental Zahori for beginers,anyway i experiment some LRL results with big metals underground,but the BFO should be very stable,unfortunatly it drift time to time,also the Antennas configuration are not the best,it can be better(just ask Detectoman,he build good antennas for this project). Actualy i adapt special ionic chamber to this project,that i think can work fine without BFO dtector,its more simple,but i need to try on field. About PD,yes its the most efective LRL i ever use,but it needs critical adjustments in the LIMIT,as you can see Geo travel to my country just to see,and we make the video films. Regards
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05-19-2010, 04:48 PM
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thx for pointing me in the direction - if it's this:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...t=11674&page=6 I can try it first. But there exist also 2 other circuits that could work... All this stuff reminds me alot on long time ago kids-electronic-experiments - amplifying of background-noise or putting some metal near some coil gave a change in audiofrequency... But this is good because all those "EM-LRL-Circuits" have a broad variation spectrum. First I will try amp-circuits without all that many capacitors and stuff - keep it simple in the beginning like with detector-radio receiver (that works: "free to air"). I haven't seen the video movies yet but read about it and this was a great idea from you and Geo in 2009 to prove those LRLs under reasonable and real TH-conditions! btw. what is the common reaction if "treasure" is near so I can focus on it: Does "static noise" vanishes or raises?
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05-20-2010, 12:01 AM
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You should talk with member Detectoman from Mexico,he have build the project and made better performance,he is expert in BFO detectors. Regards
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05-20-2010, 06:37 AM
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OK, very interresting:
"Long time ago buried metals(hig conductive) or treasures acumulate or generate energy." Because usually a piece of metal will "absorb" a part of the EM radiation energy of a metal detector by eddy currents, magnetic saturation etc. Perhaps this is the reason why some LRLs find the treasure anymore after someone "radiated" it with the in comparation very "strong" EM fields of his MD. Comparable with magnetized iron. I can imagine the buried treasure will absorb the "natural" and "industrial" radiation around for a long time and interact if the EM-field around changes, that's why this larger metal objects can radiate something at all! Temperature and galvanic effects may also play a role, but not necessarily. OK, maybe this is too much to ask, but perhaps someone already know on what main-frequency range that "treasure-energy" radiates with the strongest level?! Is it a mixture of all kind of frequency like with uncovered motor-sparks so you can simply can use some sort of "very sensitive everything-amplifier"? I asked this because alot frequency spectrums can give alot background-noise and failure signals, even can jam good signals completly! There even exists the 8K background noise from the universe / big bang. Especially VHF radio stations, cell phones, satellite signals and: electricity lines make extreme noise if near - and most of the time if not always those are near. Well, building a BFO is no problem: http://www.easytreasure.co.uk/bfo.htm I also can modify a wire-searcher that uses other circuit. Perhaps a BFO that is very stable and recognises the difference of just 5Hz (audible as ticking) for the beginning is a good idea - especially if it works somehow "directional concentrated". But if I find some FETs or what else will work maybe I'll better go for the electrostatic - could bring much more exciting test-experiments.  Thx Morgan, also for the info about Detectoman, perhaps I'll contact him or he posts some suggestions here.
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05-20-2010, 09:06 AM
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In the meanwhile I found the shielded antenna detector so it has to be directional:
THE FERRITE TREASURE SENSOR http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14935 And i will test with open basis transistor, microvoltmeter, opamp circuits in series and all kind of stuff that can signalize the smallest amounts of EMfield, frequency or current-changes. Not to forget all kind of different antennas, coils... btw. ferrite is blocking / absorbing HF! Anyway: Let's start the action. edit: look what I've found - I could try this self created "Super Amplifier"-schematic with 2 PNP transistors from 12 years ago:
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05-20-2010, 03:17 PM
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I knew it!
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12107 Quote:
And aren't ions "overflueous" electrons?However it's very good the mineoro inventors himself point us in the right direction - even if we really have to combine different methods to get most reliable results. And: I don't wanna know what the Mineoro LRL signalizes if you're standing on a mountain and a thunderstorm is near... My father survived such a great electrostatic event... Under such circumstances you'll get that spacy "haircut" like above - but without any plastic-friction. Yeah, that's THE idea! We go treasure hunting with a mobile tesla generator! This is really cool, as long as the flash hits the treasure! Like under real conditions the high electorstatic field causes the flash to hit the nearest and most attractive "electrode", which often is metal. Don't wear any umbrella in a thunderstorm but wear a mobile faraday cage @ MDing. So the only question remaining is how to make the flash hit the treasure and not us, some ground or trees! And without big noise & setting the treasure chest on fire!
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05-20-2010, 06:22 PM
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You have some ideias,can put in practice and inform us. i can tell you all MINEORO devices detect TV screen radiation,also the project i put in threads,even go more distant... The box must be made of wood,no plastic,this is very important. This is a LRL easy to build project and nobody become empthy walett. The BFO you post is good for the project becouse of good stability.I have buit,its the Dave Smith BFO,this man is the ZAXON-X1 builder,good MD but heavy and disccriminate on 70% of iron ,anyway better than PI detectors ... Regards
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05-20-2010, 07:52 PM
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Hi Morgan,
thx for your answer and I got a new idea already: You are one of the few persons here that has some Mineoros. Can you make some tests at what distance and circumstances (as example place some iron objects between the detector and the device) it shows a new gold- or silver coin? The distance is not important but the question, how and if "usual" noble metal gets detected in air and what "unburied" energy level a coin etc. has. In Air tests at least are reliable and repeatable, thats why such experiments will lead us to "all the time working" LRLs.
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05-21-2010, 01:37 AM
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Its not so easy... Only the model DC 2008 can detect gold in air test,but distance on large coin is 20 cm. The other models DCH 85 ,PDC 210 and DC 2006 not detect metal in air test but detect static charges on plastics,the DC 2008 not detect the plastics. The DC 2008 is the model i like,becouse found some objects,and the DCH 85 with circuit TDA 7000 (modificated by Esteban) is also good and found objects. But MINEORO never locate with pinpoint precision as they claim in their site,it was always flip flop sparzed signals a few meters around the objects, i always confirm it was not erratics.
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05-21-2010, 07:18 AM
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lrl i'm coming
Very well - at least one detector finds a coin by "electrostatic"-method and those 20cm are improvable.
However now I know that coins in air test will get more complicated as battery-sparks sensitivity tests. But I don't know this is better if the new DC 2008 doesn't detect (any?) electrostatical-charges. If you attach the Mineoro to some small parabolic satellite dish which is grounded with the box you may get better directional results. I can imagine the pinpointing is complicated because of the broad and low frequency spectrum. So it works more like a: "The nearer the signal-source, the stronger the waves." However to construct and improve such devices it is very important those find metal - even with low sensitivity and very close - under "hobby-room conditions" and not only under "undisturbed far out in the fields or woods" ones. btw. sparzed signals also can be the fault of a wrong designed end-stage. If the "give a blink or beep level" is too high you just will hear or see some "peak values". This is a question of threshold, filtering and making small changes of signal-power very good distinctable. Thats's why some broadband analogue output could be better than just some on/off LEDs. btw. the new ultrabright LEDs still work with a 1kOhm resistor using 9V (normally those work with 4.5 Volts and a pre-resistor of about 50-100Ohm) starting with 220 Ohm so it's possible to use them as very sensitive and from dark to bright going "analogue" signal-lamps. OK, I really have now all information and will start with the "creative experiments". Yesterday I built already the accu-pack (8 x 1.2 or 1.5 Magnum) that has a 9V battery connector so the power is on! First I will keep the circuits very simple but still trying to get maximum gain so almost everybody here can reproduce the effects. The more complex part will be a good "directional antenna" 'cause I guess just a small alu-tube won't receive much energy. Perhaps I'll find something between 90cm sat.dish and litte alutube. I'm outta here but soon back and will inform you about the first tests including schematics and additonal stuff!
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05-21-2010, 11:32 AM
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Fantastic
- the first "treasure" already was found - 3 FETs, 1 Thyristor and some other stuff! (most of them from an old Macintosh Plus TV-Unit board)I haven't found any 2N3819 or MPF102 but I'll check if mine work the same good or even better.
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