Which is the best signal to detect for long-time buried gold?

[J_Player]

What is the best signal to try to detect for locating long-time buried gold?
I am asking this question to be answered by people who claim to be successful when using an LRL to recover treasure. Not from skeptics who do not believe there is a signal to be detected.

According to Esteban, there are many secondary effects which are part of a peculiar phenomenon that accompanies long-time buried metal objects in the soil. He has listed many of these effects, such as electrostatic, magnetic, resistivity, etc.

The question is "which effect of this phenomenon do you consider to be the most reliable and best to detect in your search to locate the buried metal object"? Also, what kind of machine do you use to detect this signal you are looking for?

If you wish, you may qualify your answers by stating that a certain effect is only good for certain conditions, or that certain effects are better suited for other metals than gold, etc.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Hmmmm... It is much as I expected.
So far, no LRL users are able to post an answer to describe what kind of signal they are detecting. Could it be that they don't know what kind of signal they are detecting?

I remember Dell Winders once describing "signal lines" that he detected, which do not behave in a manner consistent with any recognized technical attributes of an electric or magnetic wave or static form of energy. Yet, the described the force of this "signal line" as a magnetic-electric" force.

Perhaps some of the LRL users have an idea what kind of signal they are detecting that is easier to understand from the point of view of a person educated in the mechanisms of electricity, magnetism, chemistry, and electromagnetic wave behavior. Maybe someone has found that a particular kind of signal coming from long-time buried treasure is better to try to sense than others. What machine would you use to accomplish this?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hmmmm... It is much as I expected.
So far, no LRL users are able to post an answer to describe what kind of signal they are detecting. Could it be that they don't know what kind of signal they are detecting?

I remember Dell Winders once describing "signal lines" that he detected, which do not behave in a manner consistent with any recognized technical attributes of an electric or magnetic wave or static form of energy. Yet, the described the force of this "signal line" as a magnetic-electric" force.

Perhaps some of the LRL users have an idea what kind of signal they are detecting that is easier to understand from the point of view of a person educated in the mechanisms of electricity, magnetism, chemistry, and electromagnetic wave behavior. Maybe someone has found that a particular kind of signal coming from long-time buried treasure is better to try to sense than others. What machine would you use to accomplish this?

Best wishes,
J_P

Microvoltmeter 1 uV sensibility input, antenna type. Problem: hot.

Mixed silver things (treasure) + 70 m, depth 75 cm.

Regards

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Microvoltmeter 1 uV sensibility input, antenna type. Problem: hot.

Mixed silver things (treasure) + 70 m, depth 75 cm.

Regards

Thank you Esteban,
I am not clear on your description of what kind of signal you are detecting from 70 meters with the microammeter.
Is it measuring the static electric field in the air?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Thank you Esteban,
I am not clear on your description of what kind of signal you are detecting from 70 meters with the microammeter.
Is it measuring the static electric field in the air?

Best wishes,
J_P

As can be detected by various methods, can be more complex than only static electric field. But this ammount of electricity around good conductive metals buried for long time can be detected at distance. Now, why it can be detected at distance?

[Max]

Originally Posted by Esteban

As can be detected by various methods, can be more complex than only static electric field. But this ammount of electricity around good conductive metals buried for long time can be detected at distance. Now, why it can be detected at distance?

Still zahori ?

[Geo]

Remember the signal from Iconos. Maybe at different scale.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Now, why it can be detected at distance?

Indeed!
what is the stream ?

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

As can be detected by various methods, can be more complex than only static electric field. But this ammount of electricity around good conductive metals buried for long time can be detected at distance. Now, why it can be detected at distance?

This amount of electricity is not expected to be much. Just a very few billionths of an amp in a static field that has decreased from its normal 100V/meter. Do you have any idea of what causes this amount of electricity to be detectable with a microammeter at 70 meters distance?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

This amount of electricity is not expected to be much. Just a very few billionths of an amp in a static field that has decreased from its normal 100V/meter. Do you have any idea of what causes this amount of electricity to be detectable with a microammeter at 70 meters distance?

Best wishes,
J_P

I use microvoltmeter with sensibility 1 uA. Maybe the ammount of picoamp or microamp deppend of the size of target.

Now, if you connect in output a headphone via a cap., you can hear very low AM emission. This is in labo. But who knows is also exists a redadiated AM signal from target...?

Regards

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Fred

Indeed!
what is the stream ?

Don't understand...

[Max]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I use microvoltmeter with sensibility 1 uA. Maybe the ammount of picoamp or microamp deppend of the size of target.

Now, if you connect in output a headphone via a cap., you can hear very low AM emission. This is in labo. But who knows is also exists a redadiated AM signal from target...?

Regards

?

a microvoltmeter with sensibility of 1uA ??????

You meant 1uV maybe...

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Max

?

a microvoltmeter with sensibility of 1uA ??????

You meant 1uV maybe... or maybe was a uammeter?

Kind regards,
Max

Yes, maybe...

Sorry, in these old times... 80s... I don't use schematic programm, just pen and paper... Input stage. L1 is not in use.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Yes, maybe...

Sorry, in these old times... 80s... I don't use schematic programm, just pen and paper... Input stage. L1 is not in use.

Hi Esteban,
The circuit you show looks similar to a simple AM radio detector. The GE diodes are sometimes used in low power radio receivers as a better choice than silicon diodes.

My question is:
1. What is the antenna lead connected to? A whip antenna? Or something else?
2. What is the circuit ground connected to? Only the circuit board ground? Or to the handle of the pistol? Or earth ground?
3. How much of the input stage L1 is not in use? Does this mean the L1 coil is removed from the circuit? And which transistors are removed?
4. How can the antenna work when the input stage is not in use?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Esteban,
The circuit you show looks similar to a simple AM radio detector. The GE diodes are sometimes used in low power radio receivers as a better choice than silicon diodes.

My question is:
1. What is the antenna lead connected to? A whip antenna? Or something else?
2. What is the circuit ground connected to? Only the circuit board ground? Or to the handle of the pistol? Or earth ground?
3. How much of the input stage L1 is not in use? Does this mean the L1 coil is removed from the circuit? And which transistors are removed?
4. How can the antenna work when the input stage is not in use?

Best wishes,
J_P

1. I can't said about it. The four diodes works as a kind of multiplier. Is strange, but you discover it only by ideas "comes" in your mind, no relation with what have you learned about multipliers. The difference is notorious. If you use common system multiplier diode-capacitor, directly doesn't work. The circuit is not an AM receiver, just a uvoltmeter, even if sometimes come in very low level some AM emission.

2. No, is not to ground, is connection to central antenna. 2 laterals antennas are connected to ground via 560 R, one, and the other via 680 R, a kind of umbalance ground antennas.

3. L1 as removed, this was firsts experiments. No transistor was removed. This is an array transistors IC CA3046, so the transistor not used is shortcircuited and connected to - 3 V.

4. The input antenna always is in use.

Regards

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

1. I can't said about it. The four diodes works as a kind of multiplier. Is strange, but you discover it only by ideas "comes" in your mind, no relation with what have you learned about multipliers. The difference is notorious. If you use common system multiplier diode-capacitor, directly doesn't work. The circuit is not an AM receiver, just a uvoltmeter, even if sometimes come in very low level some AM emission.

2. No, is not to ground, is connection to central antenna. 2 laterals antennas are connected to ground via 560 R, one, and the other via 680 R, a kind of umbalance ground antennas.

3. L1 as removed, this was firsts experiments. No transistor was removed. This is an array transistors IC CA3046, so the transistor not used is shortcircuited and connected to - 3 V.

4. The input antenna always is in use.

Regards

Interesting!
The 4 Ge diodes are picking up some strange signal from the antenna.
What is the purpose of the switch marked C D?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Interesting!
The 4 Ge diodes are picking up some strange signal from the antenna.
What is the purpose of the switch marked C D?

Best wishes,
J_P

Is connection to electromechanical 50-100 uA microammeter. This output also is connected to nex stage.

Regards

[Aurificus]

Originally Posted by J_Player

What is the best signal to try to detect for locating long-time buried gold?
Best wishes,J_P

It appears that "under certain conditions" it is technically possible for long time buried gold to emit Broad band RF pulses of sufficient magnitude to be detected remotely.

The range of options available to detect small RF pulses are as wide as any combination of imagination and technical skill will allow.

Just about every genuine electronic device is susceptible to FR pulses to some degree or can be modified to be so..

The main issue, as J_P so often iterates, is how to separate these signals from the large amounts of ambient RF "noise". The technology to do that is hardly magic either.

Cheers,
Aurificus

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Aurificus

The main issue, as J_P so often iterates, is how to separate these signals from the large amounts of ambient RF "noise". The technology to do that is hardly magic either.

Hi Aurificus,
Can you show me an example of this technology that I can see working in front of me to recover treasure?

I know you are not in the area, but it will be sufficient to simply name a commercial model that uses this non-magic technology to detect the signal from amidst the noise. If you can name a working model, then I can easily get a hold of one and watch it recovering treasures as you say.

Somehow, I have never seen this technology work to find a treasure live in front of me. And it seems there is nobody on earth willing to demonstrate it working live in front of me today.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Originally Posted by Aurificus

It appears that "under certain conditions" it is technically possible for long time buried gold to emit Broad band RF pulses of sufficient magnitude to be detected remotely.

The range of options available to detect small RF pulses are as wide as any combination of imagination and technical skill will allow.

Just about every genuine electronic device is susceptible to FR pulses to some degree or can be modified to be so..

The main issue, as J_P so often iterates, is how to separate these signals from the large amounts of ambient RF "noise". The technology to do that is hardly magic either.

Cheers,
Aurificus

???

Still RF pulse from buried target ???

Don't we talk about such small and weak , almost steady magnetic field ???

Why RF pulse ???

Seem like description by Esteban... "treasure is light"!

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Max

???

Still RF pulse from buried target ???

Don't we talk about such small and weak , almost steady magnetic field ???

Why RF pulse ???

Seem like description by Esteban... "treasure is light"!

Kind regards,
Max

No light, maybe I said "energy", maybe small, but enough for to make the difference.

Regards

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

No light, maybe I said "energy", maybe small, but enough for to make the difference.

Regards

Exactly...
Nobody knows what "enery" it is.

From the research I have read from scientists, it looks like the most likely signal to emerge from the noise near long time buried gold is the atmospheric electric field gradient anomaly. Or perhaps the gold ion concentration anomalies that we find when making a survey of the soil above long-time buried gold. But there are many other possibilities too. The reason I asked the question "Which is the best signal to detect for long-time buried gold?" is to see if anyone knows which signal coming from a long-time buried gold is the best to use for detecting at long range. ie: If you found that a detector sensing only static charge, or magnetic field, or RF, etc. works better than other methods.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

The best way we can find through Space records of all visual images of past events stored in the form of non-energetic and non-dimensional quantum wave that records all events in the past in the memory space. We need only wave specific detector for the detection burried past this frozen historical wave existing everywhere around us.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Esteban

No light, maybe I said "energy", maybe small, but enough for to make the difference.

Regards

Hmmmmm...

Look here:

Zahori mods... thread

your original message was:

"Hi J_P,

As I read in other part that some persons can't achieve a beep with it, I suspect they build complicate version. This severals mods. I make near 15 years ago. Since I and my group found an old gold gross chain at near 1 meter depth, I believe is useful for to find treasures.

One time, my brother-in-law use my Zahori and go in a site they saw as a light emanated from the soil. They saw it 30 years ago. They arrive in the site and found a hole excavated for others, and the device beeps and beeps, only in the place, but NEAR the hole. The persons who previously excavated don't found the treasure. My brother-in-law and others can't excavate in the place because the signal "explode" around the hole, and can't centrate. Also the landlord, a rich man, don't wish to continue in it!

IC 3130 (input) BURN here! Treasure = energy!

Don't know if is better than my new experimental devices, only I know go depth.

The small problem is that once I found a complete 100 m roll of wire for fence somebody forgot and the years buried few centimeters. This roll of many turns of wire for fences also was detected.

But I know also is sensitive to electric lines, fluorescents lamps. Is for use in fields free of interference. "

So... what ?

There's the light or not ?

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Max

Hmmmmm...

Look here:

Zahori mods... thread

your original message was:

"Hi J_P,

As I read in other part that some persons can't achieve a beep with it, I suspect they build complicate version. This severals mods. I make near 15 years ago. Since I and my group found an old gold gross chain at near 1 meter depth, I believe is useful for to find treasures.

One time, my brother-in-law use my Zahori and go in a site they saw as a light emanated from the soil. They saw it 30 years ago. They arrive in the site and found a hole excavated for others, and the device beeps and beeps, only in the place, but NEAR the hole. The persons who previously excavated don't found the treasure. My brother-in-law and others can't excavate in the place because the signal "explode" around the hole, and can't centrate. Also the landlord, a rich man, don't wish to continue in it!

IC 3130 (input) BURN here! Treasure = energy!

Don't know if is better than my new experimental devices, only I know go depth.

The small problem is that once I found a complete 100 m roll of wire for fence somebody forgot and the years buried few centimeters. This roll of many turns of wire for fences also was detected.

But I know also is sensitive to electric lines, fluorescents lamps. Is for use in fields free of interference. "

So... what ?

There's the light or not ?

Kind regards,
Max

No, the "light" emanated of the soil I hear from various persons in different places, but maybe is a chemical reaction. Maybe treasures can produces it. The apparatus is sensitive to the "phenomenon" or "halo". When I refer fluorescents lamps is regarding the interferences causes by those lamps.

Esteban