Free energy - magnetic motors

[ivconic]

I am very interested about reliability of so many articles, claim, theories, videos etc...etc.. on magnetic motor subject.
Most famous certainly is Perendev magnetic motor. Is it fake? Fraud? Or real thing?
Internet public seems to be splitted on this; some people claims it is real thing and some claims it is fraud and charlatanism. So..?
To get free energy from magnet looks very alluring to me. I had simillar ideas in the past. So ...was a kind disapointed when saw recently someone did that already.. Assuming it is not fake and it is possible.
I still beleive that it is possible to arrange strong magnets in manner to make wheel turning constantly,using power from those magnets.
Neodymium magnet seems the right thing. Very strong and lose power bairly 1% at 100 years !!!
Please look on internet all available and come here to debate.

[ivconic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGiWiXMHn0

Perendev magnetic motor. What to say? It is working on video... I saw this video 50 times so far....

[ivconic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYcjjSfiNNE

This i like most. Why? Simply it is cheap to make it and do experiments.
Before moving to something more expensive, this would be first step.
I have problems to get neodymium magnets. Especially rollers like on this video.
Searching through my scrap piles i founded excellent neodymium magnets in old, broken hard disks. Every hard disk do have 1 or 2 magnets inside.
Those are glued hardly on heads anchor arms, covering both sides of coil. Problem is those are awkward shapes. Hard to adapt to what we need at magnetic motor. Sheeesh! And firstly i was delited discovering those!

[ivconic]

I was searching for Mike Brady's "Permanent Magnet Machine" patent.
First place to look for was http://patft.uspto.gov/
But... couldn't find it!?
Must be patented somewhere else.
Using advanced search options there, i founded something else, closely tied to this subject. Wow! Just look at the list, so many people were involved in this!
So my idea actually is not new and original....

Look at the list at this link:
http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO %2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=0&p=1&f=S&l=50&d=PTXT&S1=((permanent+AND +magnet)+AND+machine).TI.&Page=Prev&OS=ttl/(permanent+and+magnet+and+machine)&RS=TTL/((permanent+AND+magnet)+AND+machine)

To see original patents, first click on desired patent, than when it opens look up on options and click on "Images".
But you must have Alternatiff plugin installed to see scans. Easy...you have link to Alternatiff installation...or use Google and find it on net.

Enjoy!

[ivconic]

Actually i do have Mike Brady's "Permanent Magnet Machine" patent document in my pc. But it is integral part of one huge .pdf document. Can't fit here. Also that .pdf document is somehow locked from changing and of course from copy&paste. So i can not present it here... at least for now....until i find a way to hack that damn .pdf protection!

[ivconic]

Oh...good old SnagIt solved the problem!

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[Fred]

Hi Ivconic,
When i was 10 or 12 i was trying to make a similar machine and i always been fascinated by magnets, but could never find a way to direct the magnetic field into one direction, so it never worked.All the energy used to turn magnets so they are in the correct direction at the correct timing was more than the one produced, of course.
The energy must come from somewhere.Where does it comes from here ?

The video on post 3 is really interesting though...


I like this page: kind of "skeptics" page, at least info is neutral here, and explanation are given about why those machine don´t work. :
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm

[ivconic]

Actually it should not be considered as perpetuum mobille. Not at all. Cose energy is not coming from nowhere. Energy is there in magnets. That's why i noted fact that those are loosing power bairly 1% per 100 years.
So...only problem is how to place magnets properly to make constant movements... Repulsion is crucial here. I guess there must be certain gap between magnets. Looking at pictures you can also see a gap.
I guess whole inventor secret here is proper placement and orientation of magnets..

[Fred]

Originally Posted by ivconic

Energy is there in magnets.

I see no energy in a magnet.Once it´s somewhere, even stuck to another magnet,it´s doens´t give any energy.Just like glue ...

[ivconic]

Oh yes, there is energy. Kinetic energy, momentum. Thinking that way you can't see energy in wind also. In water also....
Magnets do have acumulated energy. I might be talking like a laic here but you'll understand what i want to say.
Magnets power can be used - converted into kinetic energy. So...we only need to experiment and find proper setup.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by ivconic

Oh yes, there is energy. Kinetic energy, momentum. Thinking that way you can't see energy in wind also. In water also....
Magnets do have acumulated energy. I might be talking like a laic here but you'll understand what i want to say.
Megnets power can be used - converted into kinetic energy. So...we only need to experiment and find proper setup.

Ok Ivconic,
I sincerely wish you good luck.hope you´r right.
I see you´re ready for PD

regards,
Fred.

[ivconic]

I am not saying that i will success. First of all i can not obtain magnets...ha,ha,ha! Second...if it was so easy than it would be made already in the far past. Also i am not saying it is possible for sure. I started this thread mostly to see reactions here. So..your reactions tells me you think it is impossbile. Ok...i respect that.
You might be right...or you might be wrong. I can not prove in neither one case.
Let's see what others are thinking...

[Fred]

Originally Posted by ivconic

I am not saying that i will success. First of all i can not obtain magnets...ha,ha,ha! Second...if it was so easy than it would be made already in the far past. Also i am not saying it is possible for sure. I started this thread mostly to see reactions here. So..your reactions tells me you think it is impossbile. Ok...i respect that.
You might be right...or you might be wrong. I can not prove in neither one case.
Let's see what others are thinking...

All OK, i think we must try new ideas to find new stuff, sometimes it works.What is sure, is if we don´t try it will not work ...
If you search on ebay for "neodynium" you will find tons of magnets almost for nothing. Hope shipping is OK for your country.

[ivconic]

Shipping is not an issue. Importing rules and taxes ARE!
My country is not memebr of EU..so it is pain in the.....you know where, to deal with those illiterate idiots at local custom. I tried few times to buy something via ebay and import here...huh...it was so painful and bad for my nervs. So i decided to try never again.
But yes...you are right. I saw few links with magnets and where those can be bought. Really, very rich choice of sizes and shapes. Sooner or later i will find some "other" way to get those. I am not in a hurry...
Time is working for me!

[Max]

Originally Posted by ivconic

Shipping is not an issue. Importing rules and taxes ARE!
My country is not memebr of EU..so it is pain in the.....you know where, to deal with those illiterate idiots at local custom. I tried few times to buy something via ebay and import here...huh...it was so painful and bad for my nervs. So i decided to try never again.
But yes...you are right. I saw few links with magnets and where those can be bought. Really, very rich choice of sizes and shapes. Sooner or later i will find some "other" way to get those. I am not in a hurry...
Time is working for me!

Hmmm... also I think... you're ready for PD!

Why focusing on magnets ? Free energy ?

Why don't use e.g. electric windmill ?

I saw some interesting projects you can do with magnets, wire, epoxy and wind... make lot of power and just from wind power... not bad if you have wind for big part of the year... also can save money about electrical bill...

Kind regards,
Max

[ivconic]

"...Hmmm... also I think... you're ready for PD!.."

Don't make me "beleiver" cose i am not.
I just want to see what is all about that PD. Also if i can help somehow i would be glad to help to our friends - lrl proponents here. Dont forget that we all here are one big "familly". Us (sceptics) and those (beleivers).So....although i do not support working lrl idea, i would like to get into details they offer and see if there is something interesting and reasonable to work on in a while. Why not? And why not cooperate with those guys? Why not be friends despite our differences? That's the beauty of this world - differences.
Windmill.....yes i collected several very nice projects. Thing is that i live in a place where is no wind at all. Can you beleive this? It is true. My house is located just between 2 hills in some sort of slash, deep in a forest. So...no wind at all. Sounds crazy..but it is a fact. So..windmill has meaning to me same as fridge on North Pole or calefactor in Africa....
That's why am i pushed to think on some different way to get free energy...
But...speaking of windmills....ha! I am very interesting in good vertical design. I saw many claims and photos on internet..but to tell you the truth; i havent find any detailed explanation or complete project.
Never mind...no need to hurry..

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by ivconic

But...speaking of windmills....ha! I am very interesting in good vertical design. I saw many claims and photos on internet..but to tell you the truth; i havent find any detailed explanation or complete project.
Never mind...no need to hurry..

You need to search for "savonius".
Here's a popular example:
http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/microsavonius.htm

[ivconic]

Now, that is a good tip! Thank You!

[ivconic]

Still...i visited so many sites on the internet. Opinions are frictioned. Some of people claims magentic motor can't work and some do claims oposite.
Ok..no such thing as perpetuum mobille, i agree.
But is it p.mobille after all? It supposed not to be, due use of magnet power or "energy" (don't want to be critisized much due often use of this term).
Again i am calling you to watch this more closelly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYcjjSfiNNE

If this is not possible than what should be explanation?

[Fred]

Originally Posted by ivconic

Still...i visited so many sites on the internet. Opinions are frictioned. Some of people claims magentic motor can't work and some do claims oposite.
Ok..no such thing as perpetuum mobille, i agree.
But is it p.mobille after all? It supposed not to be, due use of magnet power or "energy" (don't want to be critisized much due often use of this term).
Again i am calling you to watch this more closelly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYcjjSfiNNE

If this is not possible than what should be explanation?

I don´t know for sure what is the explanation, but i think suspicious that the small magnets are not actually aligned with the rotating ones.The sound also is weird, and i wonder why the thing is so big, a transparent disk would be enough.
If was able to build this i would built several,call TV and give them working to them, and many other people.
And i would explain how to build it.
I think this has something to do with this (You will like it) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOdboRYf1hM

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Fred

I don´t know for sure what is the explanation, but i think suspicious that the small magnets are not actually aligned with the rotating ones.The sound also is weird, and i wonder why the thing is so big, a transparent disk would be enough.
If was able to build this i would built several,call TV and give them working to them, and many other people.
And i would explain how to build it.
I think this has something to do with this (You will like it) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOdboRYf1hM

I bet the battery doesn't last very long!

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

I bet the battery doesn't last very long!

I thought this was actually charging the battery
Here another one, explained:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNBHsgJMTGw