How can comprobe if LRL rods works

[Esteban]

How can comprobe if LRL rods works

[Qiaozhi]

You will never convince me that dowsing rods are anything more than a trick of the mind.

To quote from the U.S. Geological Survey Report - 1917:
"Further testing of dowsing ... would be a misuse of public funds."

[okantex]

Qiaozhi

believe me they work ,indeed they do act to something .
I ccan find cavities by two L rods easily even it is cavity of hose .when passing over cavity ,rods cross.

but for finding metals , it is still question mark for me????
regards

[Geo]

Originally Posted by okantex

Qiaozhi

believe me they work ,indeed they do act to something .
I ccan find cavities by two L rods easily even it is cavity of hose .when passing over cavity ,rods cross.

but for finding metals , it is still question mark for me????
regards

xaxaxa... hi all.
For me is more easy to find metals than cavities
Gold is a dificault metal to locate it, but al or bronze or iron are very very easy
Regards

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

You will never convince me that dowsing rods are anything more than a trick of the mind.

To quote from the U.S. Geological Survey Report - 1917:
"Further testing of dowsing ... would be a misuse of public funds."

No for to convince. The only method is an electronic attachment to LRL rods: in wich proportion the beeps are in coincidence with LRL "marks", just a "solution" for the intringulis...

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Esteban

No for to convince. The only method is an electronic attachment to LRL rods: in wich proportion the beeps are in coincidence with LRL "marks", just a "solution" for the intringulis...

But the problem is that the electronics has no useful function. It is totally reliant on the swinging rod, and is therefore a result of the ideomotor effect.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by okantex

Qiaozhi

believe me they work ,indeed they do act to something .
I ccan find cavities by two L rods easily even it is cavity of hose .when passing over cavity ,rods cross.

but for finding metals , it is still question mark for me????
regards

Yes - it may appear to you that the dowsing rods are working, but it is a "trick of the mind".
If you take the time to set up a double-blind test, you will find that the effect disappears.

Here's another quote, from Time Magazine:
"In other words, there is is no dowsing sense, only dowsing nonsense."

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

But the problem is that the electronics has no useful function. It is totally reliant on the swinging rod, and is therefore a result of the ideomotor effect.

Yes, electronic is useful because you use and antenna wich "transmitt" variations to a high-resistence coil, here not an ideomotor effect, maybe you can obtain detection with this method, because I obtain in pistol mode, and here the only difference is that the antenna girates... so this simple function (movement) made "unreliable"...

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Yes, electronic is useful because you use and antenna wich "transmitt" variations to a high-resistence coil, here not an ideomotor effect, maybe you can obtain detection with this method, because I obtain in pistol mode, and here the only difference is that the antenna girates... so this simple function (movement) made "unreliable"...

Are you saying that the antenna is not free to move ... i.e. it is fixed?

[Dell Winders]

Yes - it may appear to you that the dowsing rods are working, but it is a "trick of the mind".
If you take the time to set up a double-blind test, you will find that the effect disappears.

Only an idiot would make such an ignorant statement.

I've conducted hundreds more DB tests on the use of the Rods than you have, that positively proves okantex, estaban, geo, know much more about earth Science than you can possibly imagine.

You are wallowing in your own egotistical stupidity. Get a reality check and stop trying to scam Geotech viewers with your dis-proven nonsense. Dell

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Only an idiot would make such an ignorant statement.

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

I've conducted hundreds more DB tests on the use of the Rods than you have, that positively proves okantex, estaban, geo, know much more about earth Science than you can possibly imagine.

You are wallowing in your own egotistical stupidity. Get a reality check and stop trying to scam Geotech viewers with your dis-proven nonsense. Dell

Remember the Forum rules:
Be polite. Name calling will get you banned quickly.
Be factual. If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged.



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Dowsing is known to be a "trick of the mind", and has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, except to those whose living depends upon it ... aka the wallet-miners.

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK!"

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

I've conducted hundreds more DB tests on the use of the Rods than you have, ...
Dell

Hi Dell,

Can you tell us the facts about these hundreds of double blind tests you conducted?
To start with, why not focus on a single one of the double blind tests:
1. Where was the test conducted?
2. Who was the proctor?
3. What was the protocal of this double blind dowsing test?
4. What was the object of the double blind test? A gold item? a silver item? sonething else?
5. Was the operator aware of any results before the test was fully completed?
6. What were the results?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Are you saying that the antenna is not free to move ... i.e. it is fixed?

No, this move, but maybe this movement can be enough motive for to be unreliable for the skepticals. Of course, you can use fix mode, as a pistol...

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Esteban

No, this move, but maybe this movement can be enough motive for to be unreliable for the skepticals. Of course, you can use fix mode, as a pistol...

Yes - but then it will stop "working".
From what I can see in your diagram, it depends on the antenna being allowed to move. The PD is something else. It does not depend on the ideomotor effect.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Dell,

Can you tell us the facts about these hundreds of double blind tests you conducted?
To start with, why not focus on a single one of the double blind tests:
1. Where was the test conducted?
2. Who was the proctor?
3. What was the protocal of this double blind dowsing test?
4. What was the object of the double blind test? A gold item? a silver item? sonething else?
5. Was the operator aware of any results before the test was fully completed?
6. What were the results?

Best wishes,
J_P

My hat is standing by, in case you actually get a sensible response.
Now where's the salt?...

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Yes - but then it will stop "working".
From what I can see in your diagram, it depends on the antenna being allowed to move. The PD is something else. It does not depend on the ideomotor effect.

Tecnhically, by coupling, the coils could still be giving signals,in a similar way the big aluminium coil does in others diagrams esteban posted.The rods here are just antennas.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Remember the Forum rules:
Be polite. Name calling will get you banned quickly.
Be factual. If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged.

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Dowsing is known to be a "trick of the mind", and has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, except to those whose living depends upon it ... aka the wallet-miners.

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK!"

In the past, Dell has had a lot of trouble remembering forum rules, or even what he has posted just a day or two ago. He especially gets irate (and forgetful) if his livelihood is threatened.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Yes - it may appear to you that the dowsing rods are working, but it is a "trick of the mind".
If you take the time to set up a double-blind test, you will find that the effect disappears.

Hi Qiaozhi.
I can't understand why is trick of the mind???
Yesterday afternoon i received a signal with my L Rods at my farm. I dig it (last time i spend my time at farm so it is very often and easy for me to dowse or to dig) and i found a piece of copper about 4 cm. i received the signal from 20m distance and from all the directions.
So were is the trick of the mind ?? Why to do a double-blind test ???
Of course there are times that i take signal, but i find nothing. If we stay at the times where we find any object (small or big, gold or iron), i think that it is time to study the phenomenon.

my regards

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi Qiaozhi.
I can't understand why is trick of the mind???
Yesterday afternoon i received a signal with my L Rods at my farm. I dig it (last time i spend my time at farm so it is very often and easy for me to dowse or to dig) and i found a piece of copper about 4 cm. i received the signal from 20m distance and from all the directions.
So were is the trick of the mind ?? Why to do a double-blind test ???
Of course there are times that i take signal, but i find nothing. If we stay at the times where we find any object (small or big, gold or iron), i think that it is time to study the phenomenon.

my regards

You have answered your own question:

1. Yesterday afternoon i received a signal with my L Rods at my farm ... and i found a piece of copper about 4 cm.
2. ... there are times that i take signal, but i find nothing.

If you record all the times you receive a "signal", and then write down the result, you will find that it is the same result as guessing. Dowsing is quite compelling because it is easy to deceive yourself that the movement of the rods is due to an external influence, when in fact it is caused by the ideomotor effect. This effect is produced from the unconscious mind. When you combine this with selective memory, it then becomes a trick of the mind. Try a double-blind test, and the "effect" will go away. It's only an illusion.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

You have answered your own question:

1. Yesterday afternoon i received a signal with my L Rods at my farm ... and i found a piece of copper about 4 cm.
2. ... there are times that i take signal, but i find nothing.

If you record all the times you receive a "signal", and then write down the result, you will find that it is the same result as guessing. Dowsing is quite compelling because it is easy to deceive yourself that the movement of the rods is due to an external influence, when in fact it is caused by the ideomotor effect. This effect is produced from the unconscious mind. When you combine this with selective memory, it then becomes a trick of the mind. Try a double-blind test, and the "effect" will go away. It's only an illusion.

So the copper that i found is a product from the unconscious mind ??
Coins that i have found are a product from the unconscious mind ????
The only that i know is that i take the L Rods and i find coins etc. I have found more coins with the rods than with metal detectors.
I have not problem if the coins that i found are from dowsing method or from unconscious mind. Please find a method so the unconscious mind to help us for finding coins treasures etc without the need of metal detectors.

[Esteban]

A friend mark a site from 200 m, but in the site normal detectors don't show signals. The persons dig and found 4 big French silver coins of 1835 at 2.30 meters. So, sometimes you don't found because is at high depth.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Esteban

A friend mark a site from 200 m, but in the site normal detectors don't show signals. The persons dig and found 4 big French silver coins of 1835 at 2.30 meters. So, sometimes you don't found because is at high depth.

I absolutely agree. Simply sometimes I am more relaxed in my answers, because I want is given attention in other point.
Regards

[hung]

Hi Okantex!

Don't waste your time with Ozzy... The only thing here that trully does not work is himself!

[Esteban]

Of course, you'll mantain some attitude and have practice with it. I see a man who almost never fails and the method is some complex, but is between 2 persons. Also I found with it, but don't know why... but better is inside a motor wich produce some vibrations in hand, this help very much.

[hung]

Geo, maybe you need to double check with your ICONOS or your own electronic LRL.
Before the MIDAS, I and my team always had the Rangertell point a direction as a first detector. Then after sometime, the PDC, FG, etc started to react until we could get to the target.

This aproach with your dowsing rods would be useful for you to start to isolate only gold.
Best regards.