mineoro experiments (pdc205-pdc210)

[digital logic]

Initially thanks for invitation.
For mineoro experiments we suggest at first a small modification at the free loop around the electrostatic chamberon the board of the machine.
We have seen in that when you replace the resistor and the capacitors at the ends of the loop with a variable capacitor 10-60 pf the reaction of the machine is sharper.
Using a garage telecontol transmitter tuned around 390 mhz we tune the capacitor until mineoro beeps.
This will help the rf sensitivity of the machine.
We have noted that successful target identification comes when three parameters are pressed.

• VLF activity monitored by a vlf receiver between 20-70 khz must be hi.(not storms or whistles, but radio frequency hi propagation and signals).
• Humidity around 35 % .
• Electrostatic electricity on the atmosphere at max. (Cloudy sky before rain. Some sunny days that electrostatic charges are foul. E.g north wind for some hours and then stops).

At these conditions mineoro always works.
The most important parameter is the vlf background .
Somebody says that: when the atmosphere electricity increases comes simultaneously with vlf better level signals.
We also have connected a large (1000 turns 1m diameter) coil to oscilloscope above the target.
The result was a noisy figure.
When some repeatable sparks were appeared on the screen the mineoro detected the target.

Maybe the concept is as follows:
Around the target is constructed by the years a cold electrostatic foam of plasma.
This normally is neutral. Any cosmic ray or hot neutron or any strong radiation disturbs the balance and produces Coulomb explosion.
The coulomb explosions generates alpha ,beta- (SPARKS) and positrons emissions. The positrons are non-stable and they are transformed in a two-photon emission in very short time.
We have detected small targets at the above conditions .
When the machine stopped detecting We checked the manufacturers
antenna rod .
Seaking the antenna rod above the target the machine products beeps synchronus
to the antenna movements at a distance of ten meters.
Generally in Greece we have low vlf signal levels and the machine works for short periods and for a lot of days it may be dead.
We have tried an additional coil of six turns around the external box of the wood ,no were connected. It increases vlf reception and the distance reaction but it destroys the directional ability of the machine.
We have not found a bigger and deeper target. All targets were small and near the surface (coins and jewellery).
That’s all for moment.

Best regards
Digital logic

[putrechigi]

Thank you very much another serious person who makes interesting information in this forum

[hung]

Digital Logic,

Some considerations.

When performing mods on the PDC you must be very cautious or you might uncalibrate it in a way which might indicate better performance but on the other hand you are just increasing artifacts and artificial signal feeds which might lead to falsings.

I don't see the point in using the 60pf varicap unless you use it to scan for a fixed capacitance. Yet this would have to be tested in loco(targets). But you are just playing with the RF portion of it. The complex part is the ionic section which is the cause this detector is almost impossible to be cloned without critical information.

When you added turns around the PDC box you were just augmenting VLF reception and also and most critical, you were making it more prone to interference, specially in the RF near field.

In fact when we (my team), were researching and designing the project of our LRL system, we think we came up with the understanding of how the Mineoro works and picks up the signals. We confirmed the ionic/electrostatic principle but it is not what people think of it in this forum. And it's not the Coulomb explanation either, although this phenomena might be somewhat a consequence, not a cause. I don't think it's fair to release such info as the inventors have all the merits, so I'll respect that.

Anyway, since in our team PDCs and FGs abound, one member has right now an open PDC. He disassembled the device to study it. Actually we are so busy on our LRL project that we have not considered looking at his machine right now, but after our system is ready I have the idea that we get together in a mission to test some mods and try to enhance the PDC.

So if you wish, in the mean time, since you are looking into it already, I can pass him any suggested mod to try to replicate in his PDC to check if results are similar.
But for this, real targets have to be used, not any RF or other artificial emission.

[hung]

Originally Posted by digital logic

VLF activity monitored by a vlf receiver between 20-70 khz must be hi.(not storms or whistles, but radio frequency hi propagation and signals).

• Humidity around 35 % .
• Electrostatic electricity on the atmosphere at max. (Cloudy sky before rain. Some sunny days that electrostatic charges are foul. E.g north wind for some hours and then stops).

At these conditions mineoro always works.

These are important but are not the key factors.
I had my PDC working at night for 3 to 4 days in a row working all the time. Specially if you are over a natural gold region where the atmosphere is ionized.

We also have connected a large (1000 turns 1m diameter) coil to oscilloscope above the target.

The result was a noisy figure.
When some repeatable sparks were appeared on the screen the mineoro detected the target.

Doesn't make any sense to me. If you turn an EM device, even with diiminshed power close to a target, you ruin the ionic field for several hours or even days.
If the Mineoro beeped as you say, it would never be detecting the target itself but being affected by interference of the coil.

[Geo]

Hi Hung
Digital said that he will give me a pdc-205 to experiment with it.They is sure that something becomes with the appearance of certain low frequencies, thus now I draw a powerful generator for this aim. Generally I will inform you for the results. Positive is that the Mjneoro works under certain conditions (unknown currently to me). Now for the sensor of ions............. I have enough reserves
Digital very good your article, Bravo.
Regards

[hung]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi Hung
Digital said that he will give me a pdc-205 to experiment with it.They is sure that something becomes with the appearance of certain low frequencies, thus now I draw a powerful generator for this aim. Generally I will inform you for the results. Positive is that the Mjneoro works under certain conditions (unknown currently to me). Now for the sensor of ions............. I have enough reserves
Digital very good your article, Bravo.
Regards

Hi Geo, good. Maybe we can trade some ideas even if private messaging might be necessary. For now, Esteban is by far, the most qualified person to coment on the PDCs project since he dealt with the circuit and PCBs.

My friend has also a 205 which I just looked at it once and quickly. I really would like to look into it deeply after we finish with my system.

PS. Don't understimate the ionic chamber and its system. If you ever understand the principle of all of this, you'll see how clever it is.

Regards.

[Geo]

Hi Hung.
I know
Best Regards

[evit]

Originally Posted by digital logic

Initially thanks for invitation.
For mineoro experiments we suggest at first a small modification at the free loop around the electrostatic chamberon the board of the machine.
We have seen in that when you replace the resistor and the capacitors at the ends of the loop with a variable capacitor 10-60 pf the reaction of the machine is sharper.
Using a garage telecontol transmitter tuned around 390 mhz we tune the capacitor until mineoro beeps.
This will help the rf sensitivity of the machine.
We have noted that successful target identification comes when three parameters are pressed.

• VLF activity monitored by a vlf receiver between 20-70 khz must be hi.(not storms or whistles, but radio frequency hi propagation and signals).
• Humidity around 35 % .
• Electrostatic electricity on the atmosphere at max. (Cloudy sky before rain. Some sunny days that electrostatic charges are foul. E.g north wind for some hours and then stops).

At these conditions mineoro always works.
The most important parameter is the vlf background .
Somebody says that: when the atmosphere electricity increases comes simultaneously with vlf better level signals.
We also have connected a large (1000 turns 1m diameter) coil to oscilloscope above the target.
The result was a noisy figure.
When some repeatable sparks were appeared on the screen the mineoro detected the target.

Maybe the concept is as follows:
Around the target is constructed by the years a cold electrostatic foam of plasma.
This normally is neutral. Any cosmic ray or hot neutron or any strong radiation disturbs the balance and produces Coulomb explosion.
The coulomb explosions generates alpha ,beta- (SPARKS) and positrons emissions. The positrons are non-stable and they are transformed in a two-photon emission in very short time.
We have detected small targets at the above conditions .
When the machine stopped detecting We checked the manufacturers
antenna rod .
Seaking the antenna rod above the target the machine products beeps synchronus
to the antenna movements at a distance of ten meters.
Generally in Greece we have low vlf signal levels and the machine works for short periods and for a lot of days it may be dead.
We have tried an additional coil of six turns around the external box of the wood ,no were connected. It increases vlf reception and the distance reaction but it destroys the directional ability of the machine.
We have not found a bigger and deeper target. All targets were small and near the surface (coins and jewellery).
That’s all for moment.

Best regards
Digital logic

Hello to all
It seems to me very strange that there is a return to the discussion on the MINEORO. I think that there are two ways to gain publicity. One way is a
presentation of an electronic appliance, that it truly really works, and the other way is an introduction of various secondary parameters that help it to
work, so that there is an increase of the public interest and we can try to persuade the public opinion that it really works.
Here we have read a very good analysis of the workings of the mineoro , genuine, persuasive and a new beginning of the way we can upgrade it and a
new revolutionary explanation.
For me, all this new explanation is coming from Europe, where I believe that the sales of the mineoro have dropped dramatically. Consequently I believe
that all this information is being given out for Europe and specifically in regions with big commercial interest, as is Greece, Turkey, Italy to lift up sales of
the mineoro's again. All this sudden "new revelation knowledge" was never seen or published before where there were countless and endless
discussions on many forums if these detectors work or not.And I ask ,why was this information not published before?
So now we have suddenly new members on this forum who have "found small coins and gold items" and up till now have left us all in the dark and in
ignorance, who have now decided to give us the true way of the mineoros.......suspicious..........for me.
So if our new members are sincere and have all this knowledge they should upload to this forum schematics and circuits of the upgrades they have
acomplished on the mineoro detectors so that we can try them and see for ourselves if they really work.
But we will never see schematic diagrams and circuits, but I am sure will always see a new representative or a company that will produce improved
detectors and upgrades on the mineoros, naturally with big profit and perhaps new models of companies... with enormous possibilities.
Personally if I had all this knowledge like they say they have I would have built my own model, to be competitive in pricing, and if I could sell 50 units a
year at 3000$ each that would make 150,000$ for me.Not a bad profit indeed...........

[evit]

Originally Posted by digital logic

Initially thanks for invitation.
For mineoro experiments we suggest at first a small modification at the free loop around the electrostatic chamberon the board of the machine.
We have seen in that when you replace the resistor and the capacitors at the ends of the loop with a variable capacitor 10-60 pf the reaction of the machine is sharper.
Using a garage telecontol transmitter tuned around 390 mhz we tune the capacitor until mineoro beeps.
This will help the rf sensitivity of the machine.
We have noted that successful target identification comes when three parameters are pressed.

• VLF activity monitored by a vlf receiver between 20-70 khz must be hi.(not storms or whistles, but radio frequency hi propagation and signals).
• Humidity around 35 % .
• Electrostatic electricity on the atmosphere at max. (Cloudy sky before rain. Some sunny days that electrostatic charges are foul. E.g north wind for some hours and then stops).

At these conditions mineoro always works.
The most important parameter is the vlf background .
Somebody says that: when the atmosphere electricity increases comes simultaneously with vlf better level signals.
We also have connected a large (1000 turns 1m diameter) coil to oscilloscope above the target.
The result was a noisy figure.
When some repeatable sparks were appeared on the screen the mineoro detected the target.

Maybe the concept is as follows:
Around the target is constructed by the years a cold electrostatic foam of plasma.
This normally is neutral. Any cosmic ray or hot neutron or any strong radiation disturbs the balance and produces Coulomb explosion.
The coulomb explosions generates alpha ,beta- (SPARKS) and positrons emissions. The positrons are non-stable and they are transformed in a two-photon emission in very short time.
We have detected small targets at the above conditions .
When the machine stopped detecting We checked the manufacturers
antenna rod .
Seaking the antenna rod above the target the machine products beeps synchronus
to the antenna movements at a distance of ten meters.
Generally in Greece we have low vlf signal levels and the machine works for short periods and for a lot of days it may be dead.
We have tried an additional coil of six turns around the external box of the wood ,no were connected. It increases vlf reception and the distance reaction but it destroys the directional ability of the machine.
We have not found a bigger and deeper target. All targets were small and near the surface (coins and jewellery).
That’s all for moment.

Best regards
Digital logic

Hello to all
It seems to me very strange that there is a return to the discussion on the MINEORO. I think that there are two ways to gain publicity. One way is a
presentation of an electronic appliance, that it truly really works, and the other way is an introduction of various secondary parameters that help it to
work, so that there is an increase of the public interest and we can try to persuade the public opinion that it really works.
Here we have read a very good analysis of the workings of the mineoro , genuine, persuasive and a new beginning of the way we can upgrade it and a
new revolutionary explanation.
For me, all this new explanation is coming from Europe, where I believe that the sales of the mineoro have dropped dramatically. Consequently I believe
that all this information is being given out for Europe and specifically in regions with big commercial interest, as is Greece, Turkey, Italy to lift up sales of the mineoro's again. All this sudden "new revelation knowledge" was never seen or published before where there were countless and endless
discussions on many forums if these detectors work or not.And I ask ,why was this information not published before?
So now we have suddenly new members on this forum who have "found small coins and gold items" and up till now have left us all in the dark and in
ignorance, who have now decided to give us the true way of the mineoros.......suspicious..........for me.
So if our new members are sincere and have all this knowledge they should upload to this forum schematics and circuits of the upgrades they have
acomplished on the mineoro detectors so that we can try them and see for ourselves if they really work.
But we will never see schematic diagrams and circuits, but I am sure we will always see a representative or a company that will produce improved
detectors and upgrades on their products , with small cost ,but big profit for themselves.
Personally if I had all this knowledge like our new forum members have, I would have produced my own model, to be competitive in pricing, and if I could sell 50 units a year at 3000$ each that would make 150,000$ for me.Not a bad profit indeed...........

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by evit

..... there were countless and endless
discussions on many forums if these detectors work or not.

Of course, this type of discussion only occurs with LRLs like the Mineoro. It never happens with other "real" detectors. The fact that these so-called LRLs sell at all, is purely down to human psychology. People have a natural tendency to believe that something is true, especially if it's written down, until proven otherwise.

A person, who has convinced himself to purchase an LRL, goes through 5 stages during ownership of the device:

1. Disbelief and denial when the device fails to function as advertised. This phase can last a considerable time.
2. Once realisation sets in, that they've been taken for a sucker, the emotions switch to anger and resentment.
3. At this stage the LRL owner tries to get his money back by bargaining with the manufacturer, but often fails to even get a reply.
4. Depression swiftly follows. No-one likes to discover that they've been scammed.
5. Acceptance. It's all part of the learning curve. The once happy LRL owner then reports the whole sad experience on the Geotech Remote Sensing Forum, only to be told by Hung that he's incompetent and doesn't know how to use it.

[Geo]

Hi Evit. I consider little error to cannot somebody say his opinion for a appliance and be in danger to accused that it advertizes the company that manufactures the appliance. As they exist faithful supporters of certain companies, thus exist also opposite supporters of this companies. And these have somebody other interests than other competitive companies
Finally maybe a lot of fanatic supporters of one of other theory are employees of relative companies. They are paid in order to they say something but also in order to disagreeing permanently with something??


Don't say this...... bla..bla .. bla
Don't say the other blablabla
dont....dont....dont
But our detectors work........

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi Hung.
I know
Best Regards

Hi Geo,
you know, but is that a secret? Why you dont share your knowledge?

[putrechigi]

Fred good question but I fear that you will answer 'wait long

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Fred

Hi Geo,
you know, but is that a secret? Why you dont share your knowledge?

Sorry Fred.
Yes it is a secret
Regards

[Geo]

Originally Posted by putrechigi

Fred good question but I fear that you will answer 'wait long

Only few hours

[putrechigi]

Things' has bought the cia? (Now echelon we spy?) Before you were not so, the sum must be beautiful big ....................

[putrechigi]

Things' has bought the cia? (Now echelon we spy?) Before you were not so the sum must be beautiful big ....................

[Geo]

In each thing exists also something secret. Why you do not accept it???
Why you prefer from me to say lies and not the truth?
Do you think that here you will learn everything......... No
Regards

[putrechigi]

Geo sorry but I do not understand why write a forum? If I am not mistaken you in a discussion said esteban that (your words) gave information with the dropper? Then? Now that you have information you do the same? Esteban at least all that puts experiences in the forum but perhaps fails, is logical to have his experiments, instead make you understand and know not say that disappointment
best reguards

[Fred]

Hi Geo,
It´s true that something has changed with you.
The only reasons men have secrets, (except love affairs ), is business.
I think the real problem here is not that you have a secret, but that you told us about it ...
Fred.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by putrechigi

Geo sorry but I do not understand why write a forum? If I am not mistaken you in a discussion said esteban that (your words) gave information with the dropper? I can't understand you. Please find it and put it here (Geo). Then? Now that you have information you do the same? Esteban at least all that puts experiences in the forum but perhaps fails, is logical to have his experiments, instead make you understand and know not say that disappointment
best reguards

I can't understand why if i find a secret i must give it here ?????
I consider much more honest i say that "it is secret and I do not say nothing", from to say "I do not know nothing".
Regards

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Fred

Hi Geo,
It´s true that something has changed with you.
The only reasons men have secrets, (except love affairs ), is business.
I think the real problem here is not that you have a secret, but that you told us about it ...
Fred.

If I do not want something to say this does not mean that something has changed with remained.I watch years this forum and I did not never try to exploit anything and anyone from here in. On the contrary I tried to help enough individuals on subjects of detectors (as long as me allowed my knowledge).
The manufacture of detectors is my hobby and does not have no professional activity with them contary to a lot of other in this forum. Whenever I do not understand why this attack because I want to keep a secret for me

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Geo

If I do not want something to say this does not mean that something has changed with remained.I watch years this forum and I did not never try to exploit anything and anyone from here in. On the contrary I tried to help enough individuals on subjects of detectors (as long as me allowed my knowledge).
The manufacture of detectors is my hobby and does not have no professional activity with them contary to a lot of other in this forum. Whenever I do not understand why this attack because I want to keep a secret for me

Hi Geo,

I think that putrechigi and Fred are simply wondering why you bothered to mention the secret at all, if you were not going to reveal it.
It seems a pointless exercise.

[Geo]

I can say that it is my error.Simply the other time I will remain silent

[Fred]

Ok Geo, it is as Qiaozhi said.Absolutely no atack from me, just observations.You gave the answer...i guess.

By not revelating the "secret" maybe you are just being loyal towards all of your friends-NOT telling it maybe important for those who sells the detector, but also the best you can do for all others.

Now, i have a different question : do you still need to work in life?

Good luck,
Fred.