Dowsing Rod for 2012

[usta]

good job geo, very nice!!

[Geo]

Originally Posted by usta

good job geo, very nice!!

Thank you

[Dedevil]

This looks very good GEO. Are you able to discriminate between copper and gold with it?

regards
DeDevil

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Dedevil

This looks very good GEO. Are you able to discriminate between copper and gold with it?

regards
DeDevil

Yes (at a degree) if you play with the frequency potentiometer

[iron1944]

Master, Mr. Geo.
-The LED is doing what task.?
_Silver And copper What is the frequency?
Yours sincerely.

[Dedevil]

Before i start: to the previous reply: the LED is just to say the unit is switched ON

I dont know if you read on this forum my comment under passive devices;

It's under passive stuff although it is electronic so i will change the thread to here (if you dont mind GEO)

My tread under passive read;

Thought this was an interesting science find.
I have an underground stream in the backyard, and just like a lot of other people, I can divine it with L RODS. I find this very simple to explain in that my body has a charge and the underground stream has a charge, like two plates of a charged capacitor. And the L rods point in the direction of the path of least resistance towards the charge of the stream in an attempt to break through the dielectric air and discharge. When I walk over the stream the rods swing and cross over each other because the path of least resistance is directly below me. Sounds like a very simple scientific explanation to me, it’s not rocket science just static charge!
But, as I was playing around with my divining rods I decided to try out a new type of divining wand. While thinking about what I was doing, I thought the two L rod method uses the charge of my body through to the rods to give direction, so why can’t I just use one rod. It works for Harry Potter! and he found millions.
So I thought of combining a spring into the design and went to the shed and after ½ hr I had a spring loaded wand/piece of wire thing. It was made of 3-4mm plain fencing wire, had a length/handle to fit into my hand then 15 turns on 20mm dia then straight out another 60 cm.
So I sat around 60 meters from the underground creek and just like L rods the spring wand gave nudges towards the path of least resistance to the creek. I then started counting “1 meter” “2 meters” “5 meters”, etc, and at 60 meters the end of the spring started bopping up and down.
As bizarre as this sounds the spring wand was accurate to the meter, the next question was why?
So I used a process of elimination. The creeks charge wasn’t changing. The air and soil that acted as a dielectric wasn’t changing. So the change in charge must be coming from me. The only thing that I could think of was the charge that causes the muscles in my heart to move. And guess what, the bopping of the wand at 60 meters was at the same rate as my heart beat. It’s my guess that the differences in charge between myself and the creek combined with a slightly more change caused by my heartbeat were producing a reflected static wave from the creek at the same rate as my heartbeat and causing the spring wand to bop up and down. If you think it’s crazy and bizarre TRY IT!
Regards to all.
END

So i'm thinking of building: Two capacitive plates

If you take (from GEO's circuit) the 555 timer via a transistor (to charge it up) to a plate, and then from that plate take a coil type diving wand. It should if pulsed correctly, point or give nudges towards the path of least resistance in the local gravitational field/ path of least resistance.

regards to all

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by iron1944

Dear G-Sani
Longrangelocators forum schematic drawing to show for the eletronic Dowsing Rod promised.
Waiting.
Yours sincerely.

You comfuse me whith somebody else I am afraid.

[goldfinder]

Originally Posted by Dedevil

Before i start: to the previous reply: the LED is just to say the unit is switched ON

I dont know if you read on this forum my comment under passive devices;

It's under passive stuff although it is electronic so i will change the thread to here (if you dont mind GEO)

My tread under passive read;

Thought this was an interesting science find.
I have an underground stream in the backyard, and just like a lot of other people, I can divine it with L RODS. I find this very simple to explain in that my body has a charge and the underground stream has a charge, like two plates of a charged capacitor. And the L rods point in the direction of the path of least resistance towards the charge of the stream in an attempt to break through the dielectric air and discharge. When I walk over the stream the rods swing and cross over each other because the path of least resistance is directly below me. Sounds like a very simple scientific explanation to me, it’s not rocket science just static charge!
But, as I was playing around with my divining rods I decided to try out a new type of divining wand. While thinking about what I was doing, I thought the two L rod method uses the charge of my body through to the rods to give direction, so why can’t I just use one rod. It works for Harry Potter! and he found millions.
So I thought of combining a spring into the design and went to the shed and after ½ hr I had a spring loaded wand/piece of wire thing. It was made of 3-4mm plain fencing wire, had a length/handle to fit into my hand then 15 turns on 20mm dia then straight out another 60 cm.
So I sat around 60 meters from the underground creek and just like L rods the spring wand gave nudges towards the path of least resistance to the creek. I then started counting “1 meter” “2 meters” “5 meters”, etc, and at 60 meters the end of the spring started bopping up and down.
As bizarre as this sounds the spring wand was accurate to the meter, the next question was why?
So I used a process of elimination. The creeks charge wasn’t changing. The air and soil that acted as a dielectric wasn’t changing. So the change in charge must be coming from me. The only thing that I could think of was the charge that causes the muscles in my heart to move. And guess what, the bopping of the wand at 60 meters was at the same rate as my heart beat. It’s my guess that the differences in charge between myself and the creek combined with a slightly more change caused by my heartbeat were producing a reflected static wave from the creek at the same rate as my heartbeat and causing the spring wand to bop up and down. If you think it’s crazy and bizarre TRY IT!
Regards to all.
END

So i'm thinking of building: Two capacitive plates

If you take (from GEO's circuit) the 555 timer via a transistor (to charge it up) to a plate, and then from that plate take a coil type diving wand. It should if pulsed correctly, point or give nudges towards the path of least resistance in the local gravitational field/ path of least resistance.

regards to all

I saw that spring thing demoed by a dowser from long ago. Back in the 1950s or 1960s. Nice way to do dowsing. You might even find it on the net. This stuff never goes away.
Goldfinder

[Dedevil]

I found a site with a photo of the type of coil that i made http://www.adermark.com/dowsing_rods...categoryid=197 although i did not put a weight on the end or a wooden handle.
And yes this knowledge has been around for a very very long time. There is a rock painting 20,000-30,000 years old in Western Australia showing this.
You can detect extremly long distances using this method.
I think my idea combined with geo's 555 circuit may be a basic start for this type of detection. This will allow some experimentation by members to calculate the distance to the target object. The second stage would be to add a discriminator to the circuit, but to do this i think we need to know more about the triboelectric effect of static electricity.

regards to all

[Dedevil]

I think that this new type of detection could be thought of LOCAL GRAVITION RADAR.

regards to all

[Dedevil]

I just thought that some members may be getting confused with the purpose of the coil in the wand. The coil is NOT ELECTRONIC it is there as a MECHANICAL SPRING. Think of it like this; OPPOSITE CHARGES ATTRACT (++++<<<------). And the charge of your body goes though the coil wand and the coil allows the end point of the wand to move (in a mechanical way) towards the opposite charge of the underground creek, because of static attraction

regards to all

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Dedevil

And the charge of your body goes though the coil wand and the coil allows the end point of the wand to move (in a mechanical way) towards the opposite charge of the underground creek, because of static attraction

regards to all

How do you know those charges? Did you measure something?

As long as you are in contact with ground (except you are flying during dowsing) your body got the same charge as ground you are staying on. All near underground charges (except Earth magma) are of the same charges as covering ground too. This is measurable, so nothing of your theory.

To put your theory to work you need to fly with your dowsing rods.

[goldfinder]

Originally Posted by Dedevil

I found a site with a photo of the type of coil that i made http://www.adermark.com/dowsing_rods...categoryid=197 although i did not put a weight on the end or a wooden handle.
And yes this knowledge has been around for a very very long time. There is a rock painting 20,000-30,000 years old in Western Australia showing this.
You can detect extremly long distances using this method.
I think my idea combined with geo's 555 circuit may be a basic start for this type of detection. This will allow some experimentation by members to calculate the distance to the target object. The second stage would be to add a discriminator to the circuit, but to do this i think we need to know more about the triboelectric effect of static electricity.

regards to all

That is the one, the aura spring. A friend of mine made one with spring from the hardware store clamped into a large paper clip. Also a weight on the other end of spring. It worked fine for him and lot cheaper than aura spring.
Goldfinder

[Geo]

Originally Posted by iron1944

Master, Mr. Geo.
-The LED is doing what task.?
_Silver And copper What is the frequency?
Yours sincerely.

Led is only for turn-On state

[Dedevil]

Originally Posted by goldfinder

That is the one, the aura spring. A friend of mine made one with spring from the hardware store clamped into a large paper clip. Also a weight on the other end of spring. It worked fine for him and lot cheaper than aura spring.
Goldfinder

I made this from plain fencing wire like coat hanger wire.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Dedevil

I just thought that some members may be getting confused with the purpose of the coil in the wand. The coil is NOT ELECTRONIC it is there as a MECHANICAL SPRING. Think of it like this; OPPOSITE CHARGES ATTRACT (++++<<<------). And the charge of your body goes though the coil wand and the coil allows the end point of the wand to move (in a mechanical way) towards the opposite charge of the underground creek, because of static attraction

regards to all

Hi.
All these (coils, springs, generators etc) are help for the bad or medium dowsers.
A good dowser don't need them. Two LRods are enough, but good or very good dowsers are very few.....

Regards

[Dedevil]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi.
All these (coils, springs, generators etc) are help for the bad or medium dowsers.
A good dowser don't need them. Two LRods are enough, but good or very good dowsers are very few.....

Regards

Yes i agree, although i am more interested in the science of WHY and HOW a dowsers rod moves. I am a good dowser and have found items in thick jungle 6 kilometers away with pinpoint accuracy. So i think it's a very good LRL. Something must cause the rods to move. (local static gravity, i think) Also the discrimination is excellent, so i think it's an interesting hobbie topic. Your 555 circuit gave me some good ideas that i will work on. I am thinking of a metal plate with the coil rod attached. (for a type of meter) Then charge up the plate via a van de graaff generator. Then add in your 555 circuit to pulse the plate. For safety reasons i'm thinking of setting the frequency to 10Hz. I think if all goes well the coil will swing like a meter towards the path of least resistance in the local soil

regards to all

[Dedevil]

Originally Posted by WM6

How do you know those charges? Did you measure something?

As long as you are in contact with ground (except you are flying during dowsing) your body got the same charge as ground you are staying on. All near underground charges (except Earth magma) are of the same charges as covering ground too. This is measurable, so nothing of your theory.

To put your theory to work you need to fly with your dowsing rods.

Yes i know those charges. I used to surf as a sport. The surf wave is caused by the moons gravitational static pull on the earth and you can measure it by how big the waves are.( A natural meter) When i did this divining yes, i was flying so to speak. I was on a wooden isolated deck. But it still works when you are on the ground, you become a type of part or component of the gravitational static force. If you think that there is nothing of my theory try going to the beach at low tide. Then lie down at the low water level mark and wait 24 hrs. I think after 12hrs as the tide comes in and the waves are drowning you, you will realise my theory is correct.
My theory which really isn't my theory just known science is MASS ATTRACTS MASS and the amount of attraction is proportional to the MASS.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Dedevil

Yes i know those charges. I used to surf as a sport. The surf wave is caused by the moons gravitational static pull on the earth and you can measure it by how big the waves are.( A natural meter) When i did this divining yes, i was flying so to speak. I was on a wooden isolated deck. But it still works when you are on the ground, you become a type of part or component of the gravitational static force. If you think that there is nothing of my theory try going to the beach at low tide. Then lie down at the low water level mark and wait 24 hrs. I think after 12hrs as the tide comes in and the waves are drowning you, you will realise my theory is correct.
My theory which really isn't my theory just known science is MASS ATTRACTS MASS and the amount of attraction is proportional to the MASS.

You convinced me. I must agree, at the Full Moon all Gold is walking around and you can collect it with your dowsing rod.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Dedevil

Yes i know those charges. I used to surf as a sport. The surf wave is caused by the moons gravitational static pull on the earth and you can measure it by how big the waves are.( A natural meter) When i did this divining yes, i was flying so to speak. I was on a wooden isolated deck. But it still works when you are on the ground, you become a type of part or component of the gravitational static force. If you think that there is nothing of my theory try going to the beach at low tide. Then lie down at the low water level mark and wait 24 hrs. I think after 12hrs as the tide comes in and the waves are drowning you, you will realise my theory is correct.
My theory which really isn't my theory just known science is MASS ATTRACTS MASS and the amount of attraction is proportional to the MASS.

For the moment, let us dismiss some skeptic notions such as "trick of the mind", and examine forces which may be involved with the movement of the dowsing rods.
To begin, we can assume the dowsing rods are two L shaped rods which are held inside two tubes that allow the rods to swing from side to side when there is some force to cause them to swing.
And we also assume you hold these two tubes in your two hands.
Also, we assume the rods are held so they are slightly tilted down at the front... pointing downward maybe 10-15 degree angle.
We know that L-rods can be made from steel or from non-ferrous metals.
For this discussion, let us assume that brass rods are being used which are about 18" long from the tubes that hold them, and they weigh about 23 grams each.

We also assume you are walking outdoors where you look for something buried.
And we assume you are walking either on the ground, or some structure that is resting on or buried in the ground.

So, what forces are acting on the rod that could cause it to move?

Let's start with direct forces first:
1. Mechanical forces from muscles in the hands and arms of the dowser.
2. Force of gravity acting on the rod.

Then there are some indirect forces which could act on the rod:
1. Neurological electric signals within the dowser that cause muscles to apply forces to the rods.
2. Variations in the gravitational field strength and direction that could concievably happen over time or distances which the dowser may walk.

Then there are some third order indirect forces which could act on the rod:
I am talking about Ideas which may enter the consciousness or the subconscious thoughts of the dowser.
While an idea is not a physical force, an idea can cause physical consequences.
What kind of ideas?
Ideas such as...
"I wonder if it is buried over there"? or
"buried nuggets are always found at this part of a stream bed" or
"the force of the full moon puts me in the mood to look over here" or
"that dude who buried the treasure for me to find is looking nervous now that I have walked over here ... maybe I should start digging"...

The result of this kind of idea could cause a chain reaction which results in the dowser's muscles to cause the rods to move without him being aware that his muscles caused them to move.
This is quite an amazing feat, but I have seen evidence that some dowsers can accomplish it.

But what about other theories, such as "mass attracts mass" and the increased attraction caused by the increased mass of a buried object is what makes a dowsing rod move?
The increased mass theory does not work because it has two fatal errors that I can think of:
1. Some of the dowsed materials have the exact same density as the earth they are buried in.
For example, suppose a dowser was looking for a buried ancient pottery worth a fortune, that was made from the same clay that it is buried in.
The pottery weighs the exact same as the soil, so there is no difference in mass of the pottery or mass of the earth that it displaces.
2. If there is a difference in mass for a buried treasure such as golda gold coin (5 times heavier than average soil), then this difference in mass is no where near large enough to impose a significant force on a dowsing rod.

As an example, start with the formula for the force of gravity between any two objects:

F = (G x m1 x m2)/r

where F is grams of gravitational force acting between the buried coin and the rod,
G is the universal gravitational constant, = 6.6726 x 10-11N-m2/kg2
m1 is the mass of the gold coin, 23 gm
m2 is the mass of the brass rod, 23 gm, and
r is the distance between the gold and the rod, 1.5 meters.

Let's presume we are trying to locate a large gold coin that weighs 23 gms, buried 10 cm deep, and the brass rod also weighs 23 gms.
And suppose we are very close to where the coin is buried, standing less than a meter away from it.
The increased gravitational attraction because of our proximity to the coin calculates to 1.5997332422387 x 10-12 grams force.
This is the best conditon to find the gold coin, when it is nearly under your feet, yet the force is less than 2 trillionths of a gram.

Suppose there is a gravitational anomlay at the location where the gold is buried which causes the gravitational force on the gold coin to be double... then we have a force of 3.2 trillionths of a gram acting between the gold and the rod.

Could 3.2 trillionths of a gram force cause the rod to swing?
Or is it more likely the dowser's muscles caused the axis of the rod to move so the gravitational force from the earth (Up to 1 gm force) moved the rod?


Best wishes,
J_P

[Dedevil]

For the moment, let us dismiss some skeptic notions such as "trick of the mind", and examine forces which may be involved with the movement of the dowsing rods.
To begin, we can assume the dowsing rods are two L shaped rods which are held inside two tubes that allow the rods to swing from side to side when there is some force to cause them to swing.
And we also assume you hold these two tubes in your two hands.
Also, we assume the rods are held so they are slightly tilted down at the front... pointing downward maybe 10-15 degree angle.
We know that L-rods can be made from steel or from non-ferrous metals.
For this discussion, let us assume that brass rods are being used which are about 18" long from the tubes that hold them, and they weigh about 23 grams each.

We also assume you are walking outdoors where you look for something buried.
And we assume you are walking either on the ground, or some structure that is resting on or buried in the ground.

So, what forces are acting on the rod that could cause it to move?

Let's start with direct forces first:
1. Mechanical forces from muscles in the hands and arms of the dowser.When dowsing the movement of your muscles is more towards trying to keep the rods apart this is where the sensitivity of the dowser starts
2. Force of gravity acting on the rod.

Then there are some indirect forces which could act on the rod:
1. Neurological electric signals within the dowser that cause muscles to apply forces to the rods. YES! But this has more to do with the discrimination of dowsing (just like GEO’S 4017 in his circuit,and at the moment I just want to start with the basics, a charged object and a 555 pulse.
2. Variations in the gravitational field strength and direction that could concievably happen over time or distances which the dowser may walk. Yes it rains and water flows.

Then there are some third order indirect forces which could act on the rod:
I am talking about Ideas which may enter the consciousness or the subconscious thoughts of the dowser.
While an idea is not a physical force, an idea can cause physical consequences.
What kind of ideas?
Ideas such as...
"I wonder if it is buried over there"? or
"buried nuggets are always found at this part of a stream bed" or
"the force of the full moon puts me in the mood to look over here" or
"that dude who buried the treasure for me to find is looking nervous now that I have walked over here ... maybe I should start digging"...

The result of this kind of idea could cause a chain reaction which results in the dowser's muscles to cause the rods to move without him being aware that his muscles caused them to move. NO
This is quite an amazing feat, but I have seen evidence that some dowsers can accomplish it.

But what about other theories, such as "mass attracts mass" and the increased attraction caused by the increased mass of a buried object is what makes a dowsing rod move?
The increased mass theory does not work because it has two fatal errors that I can think of:
1. Some of the dowsed materials have the exact same density as the earth they are buried in.
For example, suppose a dowser was looking for a buried ancient pottery worth a fortune, that was made from the same clay that it is buried in.
The pottery weighs the exact same as the soil, so there is no difference in mass of the pottery or mass of the earth that it displaces.
2. If there is a difference in mass for a buried treasure such as golda gold coin (5 times heavier than average soil), then this difference in mass is no where near large enough to impose a significant force on a dowsing rod. YES But an underground stream can impose a huge force on the rod. So I am trying to start with the basics. Then latter on I think as the “electronic divining device” becomes better in operation and theory of understanding I think the sensitivity can be adjusted to find a gold coin. Just like adding the 4017 to the 555 in Geo’s circuit.

As an example, start with the formula for the force of gravity between any two objects:

F = (G x m1 x m2)/r Ha! You have the wrong formula! Yes Big G is used to describe universal gravitation, but I am not talking about planetary motion, more so, INNER planetary motion which uses little g or “g” as it is known as. Back to school for you.

where F is grams of gravitational force acting between the buried coin and the rod,
G is the universal gravitational constant, = 6.6726 x 10-11N-m2/kg2
m1 is the mass of the gold coin, 23 gm
m2 is the mass of the brass rod, 23 gm, and
r is the distance between the gold and the rod, 1.5 meters.

Let's presume we are trying to locate a large gold coin that weighs 23 gms, buried 10 cm deep, and the brass rod also weighs 23 gms.
And suppose we are very close to where the coin is buried, standing less than a meter away from it.
The increased gravitational attraction because of our proximity to the coin calculates to 1.5997332422387 x 10-12 grams force.
This is the best conditon to find the gold coin, when it is nearly under your feet, yet the force is less than 2 trillionths of a gram.

Suppose there is a gravitational anomlay at the location where the gold is buried which causes the gravitational force on the gold coin to be double... then we have a force of 3.2 trillionths of a gram acting between the gold and the rod.

Could 3.2 trillionths of a gram force cause the rod to swing?
Or is it more likely the dowser's muscles caused the axis of the rod to move so the gravitational force from the earth (Up to 1 gm force) moved the rod? Again NO. If a dowser uses a forked tree branch fresh and green straight from the tree, and holding it with the arms out and fingers pointing up and in towards the body the force can sometimes be so strong that it will break away the bark of the forked branch from the main wooden stem in an attempt to point down to the path of least resistance. This is definitely NOT caused by muscle movement, you can even tense your hand muscles to try and stop it and it will move.
regards to all

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Dedevil

For the moment, let us dismiss some skeptic notions such as "trick of the mind", and examine forces which may be involved with the movement of the dowsing rods.
To begin, we can assume the dowsing rods are two L shaped rods which are held inside two tubes that allow the rods to swing from side to side when there is some force to cause them to swing.
And we also assume you hold these two tubes in your two hands.
Also, we assume the rods are held so they are slightly tilted down at the front... pointing downward maybe 10-15 degree angle.
We know that L-rods can be made from steel or from non-ferrous metals.
For this discussion, let us assume that brass rods are being used which are about 18" long from the tubes that hold them, and they weigh about 23 grams each.

We also assume you are walking outdoors where you look for something buried.
And we assume you are walking either on the ground, or some structure that is resting on or buried in the ground.

So, what forces are acting on the rod that could cause it to move?

Let's start with direct forces first:
1. Mechanical forces from muscles in the hands and arms of the dowser.When dowsing the movement of your muscles is more towards trying to keep the rods apart this is where the sensitivity of the dowser starts
2. Force of gravity acting on the rod.

Then there are some indirect forces which could act on the rod:
1. Neurological electric signals within the dowser that cause muscles to apply forces to the rods. YES! But this has more to do with the discrimination of dowsing (just like GEO’S 4017 in his circuit,and at the moment I just want to start with the basics, a charged object and a 555 pulse.
2. Variations in the gravitational field strength and direction that could concievably happen over time or distances which the dowser may walk. Yes it rains and water flows.

Then there are some third order indirect forces which could act on the rod:
I am talking about Ideas which may enter the consciousness or the subconscious thoughts of the dowser.
While an idea is not a physical force, an idea can cause physical consequences.
What kind of ideas?
Ideas such as...
"I wonder if it is buried over there"? or
"buried nuggets are always found at this part of a stream bed" or
"the force of the full moon puts me in the mood to look over here" or
"that dude who buried the treasure for me to find is looking nervous now that I have walked over here ... maybe I should start digging"...

The result of this kind of idea could cause a chain reaction which results in the dowser's muscles to cause the rods to move without him being aware that his muscles caused them to move. NO
This is quite an amazing feat, but I have seen evidence that some dowsers can accomplish it.

But what about other theories, such as "mass attracts mass" and the increased attraction caused by the increased mass of a buried object is what makes a dowsing rod move?
The increased mass theory does not work because it has two fatal errors that I can think of:
1. Some of the dowsed materials have the exact same density as the earth they are buried in.
For example, suppose a dowser was looking for a buried ancient pottery worth a fortune, that was made from the same clay that it is buried in.
The pottery weighs the exact same as the soil, so there is no difference in mass of the pottery or mass of the earth that it displaces.
2. If there is a difference in mass for a buried treasure such as golda gold coin (5 times heavier than average soil), then this difference in mass is no where near large enough to impose a significant force on a dowsing rod. YES But an underground stream can impose a huge force on the rod. So I am trying to start with the basics. Then latter on I think as the “electronic divining device” becomes better in operation and theory of understanding I think the sensitivity can be adjusted to find a gold coin. Just like adding the 4017 to the 555 in Geo’s circuit.

As an example, start with the formula for the force of gravity between any two objects:

F = (G x m1 x m2)/r Ha! You have the wrong formula! Yes Big G is used to describe universal gravitation, but I am not talking about planetary motion, more so, INNER planetary motion which uses little g or “g” as it is known as. Back to school for you.

where F is grams of gravitational force acting between the buried coin and the rod,
G is the universal gravitational constant, = 6.6726 x 10-11N-m2/kg2
m1 is the mass of the gold coin, 23 gm
m2 is the mass of the brass rod, 23 gm, and
r is the distance between the gold and the rod, 1.5 meters.

Let's presume we are trying to locate a large gold coin that weighs 23 gms, buried 10 cm deep, and the brass rod also weighs 23 gms.
And suppose we are very close to where the coin is buried, standing less than a meter away from it.
The increased gravitational attraction because of our proximity to the coin calculates to 1.5997332422387 x 10-12 grams force.
This is the best conditon to find the gold coin, when it is nearly under your feet, yet the force is less than 2 trillionths of a gram.

Suppose there is a gravitational anomlay at the location where the gold is buried which causes the gravitational force on the gold coin to be double... then we have a force of 3.2 trillionths of a gram acting between the gold and the rod.

Could 3.2 trillionths of a gram force cause the rod to swing?
Or is it more likely the dowser's muscles caused the axis of the rod to move so the gravitational force from the earth (Up to 1 gm force) moved the rod? Again NO. If a dowser uses a forked tree branch fresh and green straight from the tree, and holding it with the arms out and fingers pointing up and in towards the body the force can sometimes be so strong that it will break away the bark of the forked branch from the main wooden stem in an attempt to point down to the path of least resistance. This is definitely NOT caused by muscle movement, you can even tense your hand muscles to try and stop it and it will move.
regards to all

Hi Dedevil person,
You posted quite an interesting collection of answers to some concepts relating to well known sciences concerning gravity and the force that muscles can impart on rods that are held in the hands.
What you posted raises some questions that make me wonder where you discovered your information. For example these questions:

Question 1.
How much gravitational force do you think is typically imparted on a 23 gm dowsing rod from a relatively large underground stream?
When I ask this question, I am referring to the difference in the gravitational force that the dowser would feel pulling on the rod when there is no underground stream (23 gms) compared to the presumably greater force that he would feel on the rod when there is a large mass of water underground. An amount of pounds or gms, or Kg force would be good to know, so we can know how strongly the added presence of underground water might typically be felt pulling on the dowsing rod by your reconning.

Question 2.
you claim I have the wrong formula for calculating the gravitational attraction between two objects: F = (G x m1 x m2)/r

where F is grams of gravitational force acting between the buried coin and the rod,
G is the universal gravitational constant, = 6.6726 x 10-11N-m2/kg2
m1 is the mass of the gold coin, 23 gm
m2 is the mass of the brass rod, 23 gm, and
r is the distance between the gold and the rod, 1.5 meters.

For a 23 gm gold coin located 1.6 meters distance from a 23 gm brass rod, I calculated 1.6 trillionths of a gram.

You say this is formula is wrong because you are not talking about planetary motion, and you must use a formula for "INNER planetary motion".
Since you do not feel that I used the correct formula to calculate the gravitational force of attraction between the coin and the rod, then what do you consider the correct formula to calculate the gravitational force of attraction between a 23 gm buried coin located 1.6 meters distance from a 23 gm brass rod, and what attraction force result do you find from your calculation?

Question 3.
In the example where you claimed the force was strong enough to break the bark away from the main stem of a forked branch, did the bark break away at a place near or within the grip of where the dowser had his hands wrapped around the forked branch?
Or did this force cause the bark to tear loose from otherl parts of the branch away from his hands, and fly through the air toward the location of the underground water or other object that the dowser was searching for?


Best wishes,
J_P

[Dedevil]

I feel as if i have intruded on GEO'S new thread so will branch away. Sorry Geo but your circuit really set me off with heaps of ideas. I will branch away on a new thread so that others can discuss your circuit in detail with you. Thanks again GEO GOOD CIRCUIT!

REGARDS TO ALL

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Dedevil

I feel as if i have intruded on GEO'S new thread so will branch away. Sorry Geo but your circuit really set me off with heaps of ideas. I will branch away on a new thread so that others can discuss your circuit in detail with you. Thanks again GEO GOOD CIRCUIT!

REGARDS TO ALL

Duck away ? that reminds me of someone.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Dedevil

I feel as if i have intruded on GEO'S new thread so will branch away. Sorry Geo but your circuit really set me off with heaps of ideas. I will branch away on a new thread so that others can discuss your circuit in detail with you. Thanks again GEO GOOD CIRCUIT!

REGARDS TO ALL

Hahahahaaa....


Anyone who studied basic physics knows how to calculate the gravitational force between two objects.
They could not make a mistake to think gravity force of the earth acting on a dowsing rod is the same as gravity force of a coin acting on dowsing rod.

What to do when it becomes apparent you don't know basic physics and are fullo BS?
Maybe it is time to run away?
Yup, that could work...


Best wishes,
J_P