Demistifing ion chambers and snake oil

[Max]

Originally Posted by Cossaro

think you (and some other) spend too much time over this ionic-tamagoci. (2 rows are enough... if you have no doubts) Best Regards.

Hi Cossaro,
well yes.

Let's explain why.

I have dubts on the topic because I know that is possible to reveal ionic particles e.g. metal particles (ions) in sea water, and with resolution of 1 atom m^3 and also more.
Well, not by a THunter, anyway not,but by in-line underwater military analyzers - and ions are always in solution there (in sea water and not only).
It's done by chemical/fluorescence reactions but won't explain more of this.

I think that in air the story is completely different, anyway.

But in future remote analyzers could become very cheapy. Belive me.

At the moment we have to deal with these happy plumbers works - fake ion chambers or fake GPRs or other fake stuff - but the principle of ionic detection could reveal something interesting news in next years.
Just airborn ion detection remains a "Ball Sheet" - means nothing practical - because there are no ions... or if there are...wind and other issues become a huge problem.

Best regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Yes, you're right. Also you can detect metals at certain medium distance with coil (oscillator), no doubdt.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Yes, you're right. Also you can detect metals at certain medium distance with coil (oscillator), no doubdt.

Hi Esteban,
I was talking about other stuff. I mean, ionic detection in solution not in air.
This method is already fully tested and doesn't need any coil. Anyway, I don't think it'll be useful in TH.


Best regards,
Max

[Esteban]

I think that in air the story is completely different, anyway.

But in future remote analyzers could become very cheapy. Belive me.


Hi Esteban,
I was talking about other stuff. I mean, ionic detection in solution not in air.
This method is already fully tested and doesn't need any coil. Anyway, I don't think it'll be useful in TH.


Best regards,
Max

But no through the air the remote analyzers?

[Max]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I think that in air the story is completely different, anyway.

But in future remote analyzers could become very cheapy. Belive me.


Hi Esteban,
I was talking about other stuff. I mean, ionic detection in solution not in air.
This method is already fully tested and doesn't need any coil. Anyway, I don't think it'll be useful in TH.


Best regards,
Max

But no through the air the remote analyzers?

Hi Esteban,
no I mean not in the air. I mean remote analyzers for soil and solutions (water). These kind of devices will become easy to find, cheapy and mainly intended as revealers for dangerous metal pollutions in water (e.g. near chemical industries, e.g. cadmium or mercury) or in soil - not in air.
There are researches for in-air flow ionic detection but don't know if any portable machine is on the way at now - like the above that (seems) will be soon on the market of "environment control" devices.

Best regards,
Max

[Esteban]

http://serac.jrc.it/nose/minutes/pdf...3f6cb0bca7c%20-

[Max]

Originally Posted by Esteban

http://serac.jrc.it/nose/minutes/pdf...3f6cb0bca7c%20-

Hi Esteban,
link above doesn't work for me but I know they have some research activities on the topic... I've talked about ionic and metals in specific, so
take a look at this to have an idea of what specific I mean:

http://magazine.byu.edu/?act=view&a=785

Best regards,
Max

[Esteban]

http://serac.jrc.it/nose/minutes/pdf...3f6cb0bca7c%20

Also, here the address in .txt document

[Rudy]

Esteban,

The link is for sniffing out chemical compounds that have volatile molecules (explosives, etc.). Not clear this applies to gold or other precious metals.

[Max]

Hi all,
there are some REAL (poor-man's) ion chambers...if someone want to build one...cost = nothing

http://www.techlib.com/science/ion.html

Well...not intended to find gold or anything ...but in case of some strange stuff falls in your garden...could be useful...at least to know you have to run!

Best regards,
Max