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Old 10-09-2016, 03:57 PM
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Hi again and sorry for my englisch,
the additional circuit is not for the circuit of Frank..it is for the circuit battlfield lazer detector...this circuit with a crystal oscillator and a LC circuit working well.....
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you can forget your pcb.

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Old 10-09-2016, 05:08 PM
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today i throw away and the two receivers, it is not possible to work one day and then not do anything ...
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Old 10-09-2016, 10:18 PM
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today i throw away and the two receivers, it is not possible to work one day and then not do anything ...
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Old 10-09-2016, 10:23 PM
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Question after a year of trying :(

hi franco , and all
i removed the quartz and changed c13+c14= 7.4nf, until i got 0.04v DC on
output . then i get back the quartz to the Bord and replace c2,c3,c4 with 6.6pf , i got 4.7 volts on output .
when i move my hand
near the Bord the output volt drop up to 6 vdc .
in stand by mood :
tr2 collector = 4.7 vdc .
tr3
collector = 4.9 vdc .
tr4
collector = 5.3 vdc .
tr5 Emitter = 4.7 vdc .
L1 is 3 terns 1cm diagram with 22pf on c10 , i used 25cm to 1m of
stylus antenna .
note: when i Touch the antenna the
output volt jump from 4.7 vdc To 5.6 vdc . (but in test field the first led is off ).
* 2 days ago i went to test field , i got 400 grams of Yellow and red copper buried for 3 month's , 30cm depth , but without any Result , the lrl are not
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what did u think franco , where is the problem ?

Last edited by darkman; 10-09-2016 at 10:30 PM. Reason: add info
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Old 10-10-2016, 10:25 AM
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Hi darkman,

The values seem correct, the correct value of sensitivity is a bit less than the beginning of the compass effect. Have you tried this test? If you are unable to have this effect means that there is not enough amplification. This is confirmed by the fact that you are using 6.6pF for C2, C3 and C4, typically this value is about 1pF. Also for the gain of the stage it is the rule that maximum gain is before the stage starts to self oscillate. Controls the gain of TR2, TR3 and Tr4, beta must be 500 or higher, try to lower the value of R10-R12 from 1K to 560 ohms or less. Of course there is also the possibility that the buried metal not issue the "phenomenon."

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Old 10-10-2016, 11:16 AM
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Hi Taxma
Your project is very good,I have a question Mr Taxma:
What is the number of ferrite beads used in this circuit?
(Number or mark)
Thanks
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Old 10-10-2016, 02:12 PM
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I dont know my friend,not something writes,a friend gave me this ferrite,this man make radio
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Old 10-10-2016, 03:41 PM
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Thanks Taxma
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Old 10-10-2016, 06:12 PM
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Hi darkman,

The values seem correct, the correct value of sensitivity is a bit less than the beginning of the compass effect. Have you tried this test? If you are unable to have this effect means that there is not enough amplification. This is confirmed by the fact that you are using 6.6pF for C2, C3 and C4, typically this value is about 1pF. Also for the gain of the stage it is the rule that maximum gain is before the stage starts to self oscillate. Controls the gain of TR2, TR3 and Tr4, beta must be 500 or higher, try to lower the value of R10-R12 from 1K to 560 ohms or less. Of course there is also the possibility that the buried metal not issue the "phenomenon."

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Thx mr franco ..
I mean that I removed c2, c3, c4 then I put 1capester 6.6pf .. sorry for my English
Thx
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Old 10-10-2016, 10:05 PM
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Thx mr franco ..
I mean that I removed c2, c3, c4 then I put 1capester 6.6pf .. sorry for my English
Thx
sorry i was Wrong , (2 of 1pf capacitor in parallel +1pf in series) total capacity of c2,c3,c4 is 1.5pf ..

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Old 10-20-2016, 09:38 PM
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Hello

I want to add sprint lay file of abdou2014 picture of 8mhz version

I added 470 k pot I hope İt is correct place
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Old 10-20-2016, 09:42 PM
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I want to add sprint lay file of abdou2014 picture of 8mhz version

I added 470 k pot I hope İt is correct place
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Thank you welcome at our forum

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Old 10-20-2016, 09:53 PM
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Hello All

Abdou2014 sprint lay6 file at link 8mhz Franko İtaly Lrl

https://yadi.sk/d/MyhXySWExGNC2

Abdou are you success to built this version?

any hint ?
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Old 10-21-2016, 03:37 PM
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Other version with varicap diode
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Old 10-24-2016, 03:12 AM
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Old 10-24-2016, 03:19 AM
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Why is it my attachment cannot be viewed? I followed instructions to post image here in manage attachment but still it cannot be viewed.
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Old 10-24-2016, 06:52 AM
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Old 10-25-2016, 03:02 PM
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My Franco lrl... Very sensitive. I have not yet tested on the field. But initial test is promising..

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Old 10-25-2016, 03:37 PM
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well done, I see you've also put a compass, it is almost essential because the response is very dependent on direction and is maximum in the axis north / south.

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Old 10-25-2016, 05:20 PM
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Yes, it is necessary to put a compass directly visible to the operator to know where is north and south, as this lrl, accordingly, will detect only in north and south directions. However, mine detects not north and south but NE and SE. Why?...

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Old 10-26-2016, 07:01 AM
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Excuse me, it is NW (not NE) and SE where my lrl respond to compass effect...

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Old 10-26-2016, 10:44 AM
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It is not important the direction of the compass effect, it is instead important that there is not the compass effect and this is achieved by reducing the sensitivity.
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Old 10-31-2016, 07:11 AM
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hello my friends
i am read all of posts in this project and i thank you so much and thank you mr.francoItaly
my name is sakher a new member in this forum
please help me ..i want find the last PCB of display stage with 8mhz can you help
sory for english .
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Old 10-31-2016, 11:44 AM
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this is the pcb by Dream man who really did a good job.
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Old 10-31-2016, 10:57 PM
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hi all

I made the dream man version for the second time but it does not function.

help me pelase
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