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Hi Max
Please show me where are this pages wrote about
Program of 2051 or how it works microcontroller board ?
Where of this pages you saw waveforms pictures ?
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Please show me where are this pages wrote about
Program of 2051 or how it works microcontroller board ?

Where of this pages you saw waveforms pictures ?
http://www.thunting.com/geotech/foru...t=12061&page=5
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Last days on a Greek forum "plays" the schematic of this Mineoro.
I will try to edit it and to post here.

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Old 12-27-2010, 01:59 PM
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Hi.
I attach here the schematic of Mineoro FG79 based on the work of AlexisMex.
I made this schematic incumbent on the work of Alexis and from everything else that i found on the internet, plus from my work of reversing the pcbs.
I have read the most prices of the parts but i will wait until to be sure about all of them and then to attach them to the schematic.


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Hi Geo,
Interesting circuit, very similar function to the ferrite circuit of the PD, except for the "ion chamber" that has no function at all imo , directly connected to the low impedance base of a transistor
What is the "10hz" signals, it comes from the atmega?

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Interesting circuit, very similar function to the ferrite circuit of the PD, except for the "ion chamber" that has no function at all imo , directly connected to the low impedance base of a transistor


He,he,he...no wonder you are one of geoskepthic's favorite 'engineers'...
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I attach here the schematic of Mineoro FG79 based on the work of AlexisMex.
I made this schematic incumbent on the work of Alexis and from everything else that i found on the internet, plus from my work of reversing the pcbs.
I have read the most prices of the parts but i will wait until to be sure about all of them and then to attach them to the schematic.


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Hello Geo.
This is not the FG79 schematics.
This is the old CDM210 still with the discontinued ATMEL 2051.
Also, are you sure this schematics are correct?
I don't think so...

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I am surprised that Q1 works with no forward bias.
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He,he,he...no wonder you are one of geoskepthic's favorite 'engineers'...
I am ??
Could you explain ?
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Interesting circuit, very similar function to the ferrite circuit of the PD, except for the "ion chamber" that has no function at all imo , directly connected to the low impedance base of a transistor
What is the "10hz" signals, it comes from the atmega?

Thanks and happy new year to you.
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Hi Fred. The signal 10Hz is coming from ATmega...

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Hello Geo.
This is not the FG79 schematics.
This is the old CDM210 still with the discontinued ATMEL 2051.
Also, are you sure this schematics are correct?
I don't think so...

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Hi Hung.
I don't know the Mineoro models good
But if i read good at this post http://geotech1.com/forums/showthrea...hlight=Mineoro
then i see that it writes CDM210 and FG79.1 Fresh Gold.
Schematic is OK, but i must add the low battery check... the regulators... etc. I have it at 4 pages so maybe at transfer to one page to make a small mistake, but i don't think

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Old 12-27-2010, 06:51 PM
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I am surprised that Q1 works with no forward bias.

Hi pepe.
You have right. You must put a connection at base of Q1, R4 and C7. I will try to edit it..
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Hi.
I attach here the schematic of Mineoro FG79 based on the work of AlexisMex.
I made this schematic incumbent on the work of Alexis and from everything else that i found on the internet, plus from my work of reversing the pcbs.
I have read the most prices of the parts but i will wait until to be sure about all of them and then to attach them to the schematic.


A present for Happy New Year

Here is the Ionic Chamber FG 79 ,with 24 K GOLD,was open by Alexis Mex...
Maibe it works the same with siver...


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GEO why you haven't just gived the following & you are trying so hard to make a newer same one...

That is the one that has come up at Greek forum Geo said some days ago!
Another fellow there recognised it as been the mineoro circuit diagram.
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You wrote at Greek forum that it is not the same model!!!!
Now what are you mean????
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You wrote at Greek forum that it is not the same model!!!!
Now what are you mean????
Hi Geo.
As I have said at the Greek forum I didn't even know from what this was in the first place. After the recognition of it as the circuit of beeing a mineoro by the other fellow there, you seemed to agree that this should be the FG79 model. The other fellow was much more sure aqbout it, when he cleraly said that this circuit is 100% same as the mineoro's circuits! I'm sure that he knows much more than both of us on that & his statement is considered far more reliable than trying to find errors on that circuit by comparing it with just photos from a 2 side board! At least he said/claimed that he had fully desolved a unit of them, and thats why he has been the first one that he could recognize it so positively, even after you have seen it & you were saying it must be just a pinpointer device
So lets just assume that this is the schematic of the mineoros older (and out of production as someone said) units, instead of trying to edit it and provide something, that will not be as close as that one, after all the added "quessing modifications" that may come out from just looking the board photos from here. I can accept his recognitiom as far more true than anyone else, as it is his statement that made you to start later to editing it in the first place. The credits of finding it, should go to that young fellow there after all... don't you agree?

I'm more than curious to find out if that is really the same circuit as it should be found inside of one of the older & obsolete mineoro units, as this will rise more questions to me, about the ferrite probe version of the probe that my info shows, instead of an ion chamber!
For example, that may lead to suspect that the chamber can be directly replaced by a double coil on a ferrite! Isn't that a different approach? And what that would mean for the working behaviour of the unit, after all!
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Old 12-30-2010, 12:17 PM
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I appreciate the efforts to show diagrams here, but before trying to build such a device, don´t you think the first thing to do would be to know if it works ? From "all" the device sold, i have never heard of the proof that one is really working.
After all it would never come to mind to try to duplicate a rangertelll, even if it so easy to build.
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Old 12-30-2010, 02:05 PM
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As I have said at the Greek forum I didn't even know from what this was in the first place. After the recognition of it as the circuit of beeing a mineoro by the other fellow there, you seemed to agree that this should be the FG79 model. The other fellow was much more sure aqbout it, when he cleraly said that this circuit is 100% same as the mineoro's circuits! I'm sure that he knows much more than both of us on that & his statement is considered far more reliable than trying to find errors on that circuit by comparing it with just photos from a 2 side board! At least he said/claimed that he had fully desolved a unit of them, and thats why he has been the first one that he could recognize it so positively, even after you have seen it & you were saying it must be just a pinpointer device
So lets just assume that this is the schematic of the mineoros older (and out of production as someone said) units, instead of trying to edit it and provide something, that will not be as close as that one, after all the added "quessing modifications" that may come out from just looking the board photos from here. I can accept his recognitiom as far more true than anyone else, as it is his statement that made you to start later to editing it in the first place. The credits of finding it, should go to that young fellow there after all... don't you agree?

I'm more than curious to find out if that is really the same circuit as it should be found inside of one of the older & obsolete mineoro units, as this will rise more questions to me, about the ferrite probe version of the probe that my info shows, instead of an ion chamber!
For example, that may lead to suspect that the chamber can be directly replaced by a double coil on a ferrite! Isn't that a different approach? And what that would mean for the working behaviour of the unit, after all!

Thanks for post this schematic.
Afther read your thread,i think the PD Ferrite also can be replaced by one Gold Ionic Chamber type MINEORO... Maybe
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I appreciate the efforts to show diagrams here, but before trying to build such a device, don´t you think the first thing to do would be to know if it works ? From "all" the device sold, i have never heard of the proof that one is really working.
After all it would never come to mind to try to duplicate a rangertelll, even if it so easy to build.
Exactly...!
Who would spend their time building an LRL before they were sure it works first?

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Exactly...!
Who would spend their time building an LRL before they were sure it works first?

Best wishes,
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A schematic is not good only for construction reason.
You can check it to see how the company is thinking...

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Exactly...!
Who would spend their time building an LRL before they were sure it works first?

Best wishes,
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I don´t know about being sure, but a least having someone aparently serious saying so would be a good incentive, still to happen for any mineoro device.
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