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Cool! Looks like your basic paint roller with a piece of egg carton rubber-banded to it.

Yes... real physics and Earth Science involved here... certainly no dowsing.

I hope the Mr. Stick Company has it Patented because if not, Dell will be copying it and trying to sell it for $695.00 (plus shipping).
I don't think they can patent it on account of some painting tool manufacturer probably owns the patents. But I think there may be trade secrets involved here.
They hinted about implanting a power load of the most stable isotope of dihydrogen monoxide they could find in the hole at the tip of the locator.
It's a wonder they can keep the price so low while including all this earth science physics and the only double blind test guarantee in the LRL industry.

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Well ... if you think it's working for you, then use it.
Maybe you don't have an inquisitive mind.
Haha. You never tried the dowsing method and say me for "inquisitive mind"
OK, i will tell to all you!!!!
You seem that you don't know anything for dowsing!!!!
You say so simple.... make a double-blind test. And what with this????
Test at who material???? From what material will be the box where must be inside the hidden object??? How many times?????
Look, every dowser is good at one kind, for example water or caves or copper or gold or....... , but not at all together.
My "teacher" is specialist at small copper and silver coins, he has located them from distance 1 and 2 Km far!!!!!.
Also i knew a very old man (he don't live now) that had a very good abillity to detect only gold (and he was very rich). Another known man is very good at water but very bad at everything else.
So, if you will tell to my "teacher" to make a double-blind test at a golden coin he will not hany any success and you will say that Dowsing don't work.
If i understood well at the text that WM6 posted here, there are some occasions where the dowsers had very good results.

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Hi Geo,

I received an email from the Mr. Stick company.
They say they are working on a prototype for a new "Mark-2" model that they will be selling for the same unbelievable low price of $99.99 US.
They say the Mr. Stick is not dowsing, because it uses physics principles to work.
And it is also guaranteed to work every time at least as good as Mineoro, Rangertell, and Omnitron in a real double blind test, or money refunded.

I look at the photo they sent me and I can see this is real physics, because sample chamber is using the same gold like for the target, and must be resonance of the signal line.

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My "teacher" is specialist at small copper and silver coins, he has located them from distance 1 and 2 Km far!!!!!.


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Dear Geo, I am not dowsing teacher nor specialist, but can detect small silver coin at distance of 100 or 200 and even more kilometers in case that I hide it by myself.

Why you dont take your teacher with on mountain huntig, so you solve all detecting problems?
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I look at the photo they sent me and I can see this is real physics, because sample chamber is using the same gold like for the target, and must be resonance of the signal line.

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Hi J_P what of science is here implemented, backward Gauss or forward Gauss?

Does you thinking about implementation of dextrorotatory and levorotatory testicular dissociation constant too?
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Haha. You never tried the dowsing method and say me for "inquisitive mind"
OK, i will tell to all you!!!!
You seem that you don't know anything for dowsing!!!!
You say so simple.... make a double-blind test. And what with this????
Test at who material???? From what material will be the box where must be inside the hidden object??? How many times?????
Look, every dowser is good at one kind, for example water or caves or copper or gold or....... , but not at all together.
My "teacher" is specialist at small copper and silver coins, he has located them from distance 1 and 2 Km far!!!!!.
Also i knew a very old man (he don't live now) that had a very good abillity to detect only gold (and he was very rich). Another known man is very good at water but very bad at everything else.
So, if you will tell to my "teacher" to make a double-blind test at a golden coin he will not hany any success and you will say that Dowsing don't work.
If i understood well at the text that WM6 posted here, there are some occasions where the dowsers had very good results.

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Hi Geo,

I am trying to keep this as a rational discussion, but you saying, "Haha. You never tried the dowsing method ...", etc., etc., does not help.

If you (for example) think you are only capable of detecting silver coins by dowsing, then perform the test using silver coins. The test doesn't even have to be very rigorous. Simply get a friend to hide a silver coin under 1 of 10 plastic cups and then get him/her to leave the area while you perform the dowsing test. Since the test is only intended for you to confirm or deny to yourself that dowsing is real, it is not necessary to have multiple observers, or to keep the hidden location written down in a sealed envelope. It is not a criticism of anyone if they believe that dowsing works in the field, as the ideomotor effect is very compelling, and the double-blind test helps to remove any unconscious bias by the tester.

If the testing shows that detection of the coin is no more accurate than guessing, then what does that tell you? Perhaps you might conclude that the dowsing effect is somehow compromised by the test procedure, thus causing it to fail. Or you might conclude that dowsing doesn't actually work and is just a trick of the mind.

I know which is the correct answer. Do you?
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Hi J_P what of science is here implemented, backward Gauss or forward Gauss?

Does you thinking about implementation of dextrorotatory and levorotatory testicular dissociation constant too?
Hi WM6,
I don't think that LRL uses gauss, because I don't see any coils or circuits in the photo. I only see gold, painting equipment and an egg container. The only explanation for this kind of detection I ever read in the Geotech forum is "earth sciences" and "physics principles". But maybe it has something to do with the substance produced by gold DNA as explained by Dr. hung. I can't think of any other way.
http://geotech1.com/forums/showpost....8&postcount=41

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Haha. You never tried the dowsing method and say me for "inquisitive mind"
OK, i will tell to all you!!!!
You seem that you don't know anything for dowsing!!!!
You say so simple.... make a double-blind test. And what with this????
Test at who material???? From what material will be the box where must be inside the hidden object??? How many times?????
Look, every dowser is good at one kind, for example water or caves or copper or gold or....... , but not at all together.
My "teacher" is specialist at small copper and silver coins, he has located them from distance 1 and 2 Km far!!!!!.
Also i knew a very old man (he don't live now) that had a very good abillity to detect only gold (and he was very rich). Another known man is very good at water but very bad at everything else.
So, if you will tell to my "teacher" to make a double-blind test at a golden coin he will not hany any success and you will say that Dowsing don't work.
If i understood well at the text that WM6 posted here, there are some occasions where the dowsers had very good results.

Regards

I saw in Portugal your hability when you found the gold medalion in the field test,i can say you are lucky with L rods,but remember this Rods can work fine just when big practice and concentration and most are becouse of good intuition produce good results,but it fails when ideomotor works in wrong direction...
Actualy the best L rod is electronic, the Ram-KA,sorry i forget to show to you in your holydays...
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I saw in Portugal your hability when you found the gold medalion in the field test,i can say you are lucky with L rods,but remember this Rods can work fine just when big practice and concentration and most are becouse of good intuition produce good results,but it fails when ideomotor works in wrong direction...
Actualy the best L rod is electronic, the Ram-KA,sorry i forget to show to you in your holydays...

Anyway this LRL device is not 100% accurate,but the low price is reasonable for this hand made L rod,nothing compare with L rod scam in the market.
This is Rod for test,only for people who believe in this dowsing activities .

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Anyway this LRL device is not 100% accurate,but the low price is reasonable for this hand made L rod,nothing compare with L rod scam in the market.
This is Rod for test,only for people who believe in this dowsing activities .

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Congratulation for design, better than Pinninfarina. Are there secret inside or you can post some schematic?
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morgan, what weight has these stuff, may be need an fortchless man whit hig muscule arm, the heavyiron box is for balance?, or is for input lines of 440 volt?
al final del dia solo tendra un brazo exausto morgan usted va a la deriva, cada dia sus lrl van en reversa, but pretty painted my congratulations, any new version for compass? whit tires? llantas?
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Congratulation for design, better than Pinninfarina. Are there secret inside or you can post some schematic?


This Dowsing rod its not my design,it as inside the box one possible circuit,but sealed with epoxy,guess why...
Its not heavy,and the distance hand to antenna is big for some reason.
Its only another dowsing rod,not a miracle for TH.

For those who forget(Detectoman) i remember to post here this Ram-KA photo and information maybe one year ago.
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This Dowsing rod its not my design,it as inside the box one possible circuit,but sealed with epoxy,guess why...
Its not heavy,and the distance hand to antenna is big for some reason.
Its only another dowsing rod,not a miracle for TH.

For those who forget(Detectoman) i remember to post here this Ram-KA photo and information maybe one year ago.
Hi Morgan,

I remember it was here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=39
"This electronic Rod is interesting,its not pure Dowsing,the antenna only moves if locate metal target. Until now i found with this device a few coins and silver jewlry,no iron,no empty holes.
At the first looking it looks simple but inside the electronic box exist one PCB(inside resine)one 9v battery, manny wires,a LED and one Potentiometer for GAIN.From the box it goes one wire to Antenna.
This is not expensive Rod ,name is Ramka,its hand made,no internet information".


And here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15262

Another interesting electronic MFD dowsing rod: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=29


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Dear Geo, I am not dowsing teacher nor specialist, but can detect small silver coin at distance of 100 or 200 and even more kilometers in case that I hide it by myself.

Why you dont take your teacher with on mountain huntig, so you solve all detecting problems?
Hi WM6.
Sure, you read only what you want.
I wrote "My "teacher" is specialist at small copper and silver coins, he has located them from distance 1 and 2 Km far". Yes he can locate only copper and silver coins, no gold coins and not big objects. I don't like to run to the mountains to find a few copper or silver coins.
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Hi Geo,

I am trying to keep this as a rational discussion, but you saying, "Haha. You never tried the dowsing method ...", etc., etc., does not help.

If you (for example) think you are only capable of detecting silver coins by dowsing, then perform the test using silver coins. The test doesn't even have to be very rigorous. Simply get a friend to hide a silver coin under 1 of 10 plastic cups and then get him/her to leave the area while you perform the dowsing test. Since the test is only intended for you to confirm or deny to yourself that dowsing is real, it is not necessary to have multiple observers, or to keep the hidden location written down in a sealed envelope. It is not a criticism of anyone if they believe that dowsing works in the field, as the ideomotor effect is very compelling, and the double-blind test helps to remove any unconscious bias by the tester.

If the testing shows that detection of the coin is no more accurate than guessing, then what does that tell you? Perhaps you might conclude that the dowsing effect is somehow compromised by the test procedure, thus causing it to fail. Or you might conclude that dowsing doesn't actually work and is just a trick of the mind.

I know which is the correct answer. Do you?
Even if it do not mean something for me, i will try it and i"ll inform you.
You don't know the correct answer. You think it and maybe you have wrong
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I saw in Portugal your hability when you found the gold medalion in the field test,i can say you are lucky with L rods,but remember this Rods can work fine just when big practice and concentration and most are becouse of good intuition produce good results,but it fails when ideomotor works in wrong direction...
Actualy the best L rod is electronic, the Ram-KA,sorry i forget to show to you in your holydays...
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Sure, you read only what you want.
I wrote "My "teacher" is specialist at small copper and silver coins, he has located them from distance 1 and 2 Km far". Yes he can locate only copper and silver coins, no gold coins and not big objects. I don't like to run to the mountains to find a few copper or silver coins.
Hi Geo

Maybe your teacher can be tunned on gold and bigger items too, or his vital battery is low?

If one is not properly grunded may lead to lost particullar sensibilities. This can overcome by attempts to hunting completely barefoot.

It is worth to do something to refine his sensitivity.
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My "teacher" is specialist at small copper and silver coins, he has located them from distance 1 and 2 Km far!!!!!.
Hi geo,

It is important to know how many holes he dig on those 2km distance before he found the target.
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It is important to know how many holes he dig on those 2km distance before he found the target.
Nobody can know how many holes he digs unless they follow him and watch everything he does.
How can anyone do that? Why would anyone want to?
If he thinks dowsing helps him find coins, then he should be happy to go dowsing.

For me, I don't think dowsing helps me find coins, so I don't use dowsing.
But if I hear stories of dowsing easily finding large diamonds from 1km at every attempt, then I will spend the time to follow and watch the dowser to see if it is true.

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Maybe your teacher can be tunned on gold and bigger items too, or his vital battery is low?

If one is not properly grunded may lead to lost particullar sensibilities. This can overcome by attempts to hunting completely barefoot.

It is worth to do something to refine his sensitivity.
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It is important to know how many holes he dig on those 2km distance before he found the target.
Hi Fred.
You can't fantasy it. He dowsed from inside the car, he showed me a place and told "go there". When we arrived near the place he went down from the car, and the rods led him to a place of the mountain where it appearred that old existed some building. He continued with the rods and i with the XLT. We found certain coins there. And it was not the only time.
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Nobody can know how many holes he digs unless they follow him and watch everything he does.
How can anyone do that? Why would anyone want to?
If he thinks dowsing helps him find coins, then he should be happy to go dowsing.

For me, I don't think dowsing helps me find coins, so I don't use dowsing.
But if I hear stories of dowsing easily finding large diamonds from 1km at every attempt, then I will spend the time to follow and watch the dowser to see if it is true.

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Hi J_P.
You are welcome to Greece, so my "teacher" to learn you how you to locate copper and silver coins from very very long distance. The same for Qiaozhi, Fred and WM6.
Sorry but my teacher is not good to diamonds

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You are welcome to Greece, so my "teacher" to learn you how you to locate copper and silver coins from very very long distance. The same for Qiaozhi, Fred and WM6.
Sorry but my teacher is not good to diamonds

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Hi Geo,

Thank you for the nice invitation to Greece.
I don't want to learn to locate copper and silver coins at long distance.
But if you find a teacher who shows how to locate large natural diamonds from a very long distance, then I will be coming to learn.

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Thank you for the nice invitation to Greece.
I don't want to learn to locate copper and silver coins at long distance.
But if you find a teacher who shows how to locate large natural diamonds from a very long distance, then I will be coming to learn.

Best wishes,
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Hahahaha....
Hi J_P.
I am sure that you know that at Greece there are not objects from Diamnds..
SO, there are not dowsing teachers to teach you.
But if you will learn very good to locate copper or silver, then i believe that it is easy to locate diamonds or what other you want.
But for first, you must believe it

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How can anyone do that? Why would anyone want to?
If he thinks dowsing helps him find coins, then he should be happy to go dowsing.
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You can't fantasy it. He dowsed from inside the car, he showed me a place and told "go there". When we arrived near the place he went down from the car, and the rods led him to a place of the mountain where it appearred that old existed some building. He continued with the rods and i with the XLT. We found certain coins there. And it was not the only time.
hi Geo,
Thanks for your answer and invitation. After you find a big treasures i hope you will buy the tickets (cruise ship is OK too )
I am sceptic, so i understand what you said like this :
You drive a car 2km until you see a ruin (obviously a good place to search) and found coins with your XLT
donĀ“t get angry
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