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The point is that with the PDK some users found buried objects from long distance. If the interior is beautiful or not , i don't think that it matters.
I Agree ,but for some people the beauty of the box and the perfection in the circuits seems more important,even if not work as LRL,and of course the price makes the diference...

I sold only LRLs that i test here and locate the PHENOMENON,so im happy,and still hope for someone to fing a very large treasure with PDK-2.1,one original.

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Old 03-25-2013, 10:17 PM
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Adreas,how you go to TUNE this PDK ???
What do you say. I can do or not this is a question?
..this is the circuit of a PDK-2.2 ,is diferent : (post #13 photo)
My drawing and PCB two years ago.
All members can see the same philoshophy drawing PCB and my "signature" design.
My PCB as same "your" PCB or not?
Also this is a question
Very similar,but not the same circuit.
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Very similar,but not the same circuit.
Here the PCBs for compare


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Your design,i dont think so,WHERE I GET YOUR PCB DESIGN ???,and the PDK-2.2 from Jimis was sold and the person who bought it try to copy the circuit,words from Jimis,want to see the emails???,well ,well...
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Adreas,how you go to TUNE this PDK ???
What do you say. I can do or not this is a question?
..this is the circuit of a PDK-2.2 ,is diferent : (post #13 photo)
My drawing and PCB two years ago.
All members can see the same philoshophy drawing PCB and my "signature" design.
My PCB as same "your" PCB or not?
Also this is a question
Andreas, i try to have a normal conversation with you, but with this false acusations you put me on the battlefield.

Answer this simple questions :

1- Is the PDK-2.2 circuit,same as your circuit ?
i think no,but lets see your answer.

2- If my PDK-2.2 is your signature DESIGNE, where i get the schematic to copy your
design PCB ?

3-Do you put your above PCB available in internet for everybody to copy ?

4-Where do you think i get your PCB designe ???


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Old 03-25-2013, 11:01 PM
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Here the PCBs for compare


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Your design,i dont think so,WHERE I GET YOUR PCB DESIGN ???,and the PDK-2.2 from Jimis was sold and the person who bought it try to copy the circuit,words from Jimis,want to see the emails???,well ,well...
No,you not behind the copy of the Jimis PDK-2.2, sorry to think about that.

your circuit above is noting similar with my PDK-2.2

you using much more material ICs,Transistors,etc, check that there is no similarities at all...

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Thanks a lot, but lets see Adreas answer.
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Adreas,how you go to TUNE this PDK ???
What do you say. I can do or not this is a question?
..this is the circuit of a PDK-2.2 ,is diferent : (post #13 photo)
My drawing and PCB two years ago.
All members can see the same philoshophy drawing PCB and my "signature" design.
My PCB as same "your" PCB or not?
Also this is a question
Here is other PDK-2.2, with diferent shape PCB boards.

Adreas,where is your DESIGN SIGNATURE in this one ?


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Here is other PDK-2.2, with diferent shape PCB boards.

Adreas,where is your DESIGN SIGNATURE in this one ?


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I believe this one looks more beautyfull than that from Charris ,but more ugly they are better they work
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Here is other PDK-2.2, with diferent shape PCB boards.

Adreas,where is your DESIGN SIGNATURE in this one ?


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Old 03-26-2013, 01:04 PM
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Yes, this was the schematics i talk earlier and i new it was posted and signed by Andreas.

Morgan you must admit that you got your pdk from this schematics, because when i asked about your pdk design and if i remember well i told you about this schematic that you build over a pice of wood. Well here it is, this is the one i was asking about.

Now, we all know you had made some mods to this circuit, but this is just some minor changes on sensitivity and frequency (LC tank)

In conclusion, i think that if we need a working pdk or lrl, is just a matter to have a good field test like Morgan does, and then start to play with the circuit to get the signal, increse sensitivity and get the best RX frequency.

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OK nelson, but where is clear schematic?

From those Andreas photo you cannot copy something useful. At least I am not able to reproduce something usable from those photo, are you?

There are hundreds of such schematics on web, and probably even Morgan don't know anymore which of those he took as basis.

At least, no matter of design, all those passive receiver work in LRL detection the same way, mean - no way.

I am sure that Morgan is copying this passive receiver circuit:
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As I said, I do not intend to present inside more PDK. This is Morgan's and he wants to do is his own right. Just give me the right to be personally involved with a circuit that I had left too long without worrying if someone told me "this is a clone."
The circuit can have many improvements if calibrate, if actual work, etc. When I have free time i build it with more modifications, I just have way to do tests without any doubt from anyone.
I try only one interesting point for me. A method for simple calibration via user in practice with a real sample-target
But if continued or ironic and comments from "experts", i will stop dealing "personnaly use".
Only a point morgan is correct 100%. My country this time 1-2 men build and sell 600euro PDK clones with same plastic-box, same knobs and same design. without results. Scrap machines and i see one with my eyes. If i find a photo i can publish here.
Morgan, I hope you understand me. I don't have anything personal with you, also I don't interested for your projects. I am only interested you stop comments and ironic and your friends or partners. Sometimes silence is gold and i love silence for long time, before start again something
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Old 03-26-2013, 04:10 PM
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this project still Alonsos PASSIVE RECEIVER pheraps with the signature Adreas ( Christi ? ) a friend ofered me this project and i decide to try it,as everybody knows i put photo and a video of this project and SAID THAT IT WORKS AS LRL ,however it works only with my MODIFICATIONS after change many FERRITES, also COILS and of course doing mods in TRANSISTORS and the obvious TUNING capacitor near the RX COIL,this is what is called the PDK-2,where is nothing to hide,is modifications by GEO,Esteban,Andreas,and MORGAN put it to work as a LRL,but there is a base in Alonsos Passive Receiver.


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My country this time 1-2 men build and sell 600euro PDK clones with same plastic-box, same knobs and same design. without results. Scrap machines and i see one with my eyes.
How do you know that "without results"?

I am sure that re-builders can claim valuable finding examples at huge distance. As you and any other LRL manufacturer.
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this project still Alonsos PASSIVE RECEIVER pheraps with the signature Adreas ( Christi ? ) a friend ofered me this project and i decide to try it,as everybody knows i put photo and a video of this project and SAID THAT IT WORKS AS LRL ,however it works only with my MODIFICATIONS after change many FERRITES, also COILS and of course doing mods in TRANSISTORS and the obvious TUNING capacitor near the RX COIL,this is what is called the PDK-2,where is nothing to hide,is modifications by GEO,Esteban,Andreas,and MORGAN put it to work as a LRL,but there is a base in Alonsos Passive Receiver.


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I think must be say something here , I asked from Geo , Morgan , Andreas , detectoman , to build really work LRL many times ago . Geo didn’t nothing only some pictures . detectoman Under my promise give me some data ( I am thanking from him) .
My request from Andreas , he help me with more data, and more circuits . also I am so thanking from Andreas .
Morgan , I gave you the circuit picture with Andreas name at below.
It was project which Andreas helped to me . I gave you this circuit without Andreas permit . I remember well that modified circuit easily detected 1.5 volt short circuit from 1 meter . also I asked Morgan , said me About Alonso Pd and other data .
But only Andreas data was very valuable for me , i did incorrect work , my false work was Without permit by Andreas, I gave circuit to Morgan . Andreas, I am sorry for my
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My friend

Just copy the know pdk schematics and also you can build my pcb that i posted earlier.
My pdk works, but it needs just some good adjustments for sensitivity and also to use the correct frequencies
I compared my pdk signals with another LRL that was factory build, and it detects almost the same with just diferent sensitivity
For me the clue is to do same has Morgan, to buried some gold or silver and then go for a field test. This is the only way to get a real signal from buried gold or silver.
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OK nelson, but where is clear schematic?

From those Andreas photo you cannot copy something useful. At least I am not able to reproduce something usable from those photo, are you?

There are hundreds of such schematics on web, and probably even Morgan don't know anymore which of those he took as basis.

At least, no matter of design, all those passive receiver work in LRL detection the same way, mean - no way.

I am sure that Morgan is copying this passive receiver circuit:
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:20 PM
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My friends stop comments in excess, just build pdk and go for some test on diferent frequencies that implies to retune frequency and sensitivity.
Also very important is to have a good field test (gold or silver buried for long time)

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however it works only with my MODIFICATIONS after change many FERRITES (FREQUENCY CHANGE), also COILS and of course doing mods in TRANSISTORS (TO GET MORE SENSITIVITY)and the obvious TUNING capacitor near the RX COIL (FREQUENCY RETUNE)


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I agree with you and just ask who help with TOTem schematics?

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I think must be say something here , I asked from Geo , Morgan , Andreas , detectoman , to build really work LRL many times ago . Geo didn’t nothing only some pictures . detectoman Under my promise give me some data ( I am thanking from him) .
My request from Andreas , he help me with more data, and more circuits . also I am so thanking from Andreas .
Morgan , I gave you the circuit picture with Andreas name at below.
It was project which Andreas helped to me . I gave you this circuit without Andreas permit . I remember well that modified circuit easily detected 1.5 volt short circuit from 1 meter . also I asked Morgan , said me About Alonso Pd and other data .
But only Andreas data was very valuable for me , i did incorrect work , my false work was Without permit by Andreas, I gave circuit to Morgan . Andreas, I am sorry for my
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For me the clue is to do same has Morgan, to buried some gold or silver and then go for a field test. This is the only way to get a real signal from buried gold or silver.
Nelson, if you build geomagnetism sensor (as we can see that some LRL manufacturer do), you can get real signal from those buried silver things with a lot of imagination only.

You only sense movement of your sensor in geomagnetic lines all other conclusions are self deception.
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I agree with you and just ask who help with TOTem schematics?

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Qiaozhi is main designer and experimenter of totem PD . yes, totem designed step
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I agree with you and just ask who help with TOTem schematics?
What are you asking here?

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Qiaozhi is main designer and experimenter of totem PD . yes, totem designed step
By step by Qiaozhi
Aft is correct. TOTeM is my own design based on information freely available in the public domain. It is not a clone of anybody's work. There are even some new concepts in TOTeM that enable the coils to be balanced more easily.
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I think must be say something here , I asked from Geo , Morgan , Andreas , detectoman , to build really work LRL many times ago . Geo didn’t nothing only some pictures . detectoman Under my promise give me some data ( I am thanking from him) .
My request from Andreas , he help me with more data, and more circuits . also I am so thanking from Andreas .
Morgan , I gave you the circuit picture with Andreas name at below.
It was project which Andreas helped to me . I gave you this circuit without Andreas permit . I remember well that modified circuit easily detected 1.5 volt short circuit from 1 meter . also I asked Morgan , said me About Alonso Pd and other data .
But only Andreas data was very valuable for me , i did incorrect work , my false work was Without permit by Andreas, I gave circuit to Morgan . Andreas, I am sorry for my
False .
The schematic you gave me,i even not note that name Andreas ,otherwise i delete the name to protect you,i thought this was your project...
But tests in the field with the schematic NOT MODIFICATED shows not possible to locate burieds objects, after many of MY MODIFICATIONS the circuit starts locating the objects.
What Andreas give you was schematic that probaly he not get good results too,otherwise you think he offer you a good working LRL ?
I insist in this schematic becouse of the simplicity,and more easy to calibrate than the Alonsos PD


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The schematic you gave me,i even not note that name Andreas ,otherwise i delete the name to protect you,i thought this was your project...
But tests in the field with the schematic NOT MODIFICATED shows not possible to locate burieds objects, after many of MY MODIFICATIONS the circuit starts locating the objects.
What Andreas give you was schematic that probaly he not get good results too,otherwise you think he offer you a good working LRL ?
I insist in this schematic becouse of the simplicity,and more easy to calibrate than the Alonsos PD


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""i thought this was your project...""
No, it was common project with Andreas . But you are correct because you don’t know
This subject .

""But tests in the field with the schematic NOT MODIFICATED shows not possible to locate burieds objects""
I believe Andreas is honest man , he did real test with real target the circuit which I gave you,. It could locate long buried metals .
""What Andreas give you was schematic that probaly he not get good results too,otherwise you think he offer you a good working LRL ?""
Andreas help me Until I built modified LRL , my PD working well . also remember Andreas movie in YouTube ( Alonso clone PD) . in movie clearly show PD working .



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