Mineoro FG90 in action

[Fred]

This is the FG-80 enclosure with a FG-90 board.

Hung, i will follow the story, i enjoy this kind of reading. I just hope it will not end abruptly like other ones.

[gibon]

Originally Posted by putrechigi

hi at everibody nice too meet you gaucho1961 i'm from italia and i dont' think how many treasure are in my countri but if you think that it was benne a hundre and hundre war i think in italy we have many many treasure roman, medieval, 1 war,2war ecc.ecc.-ecc. you think there are problem with fg/90 to find treasure in my country? because we are at north of emisphere? you know someone in Europe and particularly in Italy has found treasures with mineoro LRL?
i try one week with fg/80 wthout find nothing wath is the difference with fg?90?
thank you very much and best reguards
manolo

Hello Manolo,

so your back on the forum ! . Good to here from you. What about the test of the Bionic 01 of your friend ?

Concerning Mineoro sometime my Dc2008 make me feel nervous and I want to threw it away. But in fact it is just a tool and you need other device to reach the target.

Most of LRL user are honest poeple here on the forum and they are always ready to give advice and assistance and it is great.

As user of Mineoro I would say it is quite versatile and unstable but i wouldn't say it is scame. But the price is too expensive for such device and the advertising of the factory is too much optimistic.

Many thanks again to the senior members for theire always interesting topic and electronic project.

Happy prospecting and good luck for all TH

[simonbaker]

but do you need the dog to use it?

[hung]

Originally Posted by simonbaker

but do you need the dog to use it?

No, it's not needed.
But I'm absolutely sure my dog is much more useful than the crap ordinary MD you might use.
Maybe you can teach yours to skyjump as I did with mine a long time ago.

[simonbaker]

Originally Posted by hung

No, it's not needed.
But I'm absolutely sure my dog is much more useful than the crap ordinary MD you might use.
Maybe you can teach yours to skyjump as I did with mine a long time ago.

Yes, man + LRL + dog can find many things.

[simonbaker]

I don't want to be mean. I respect anyone doing honest experiments/research with any technology or theories. They know who they are.

-SB

[Fred]

Originally Posted by hung

No, it's not needed.
But I'm absolutely sure my dog is much more useful than the crap ordinary MD you might use.
Maybe you can teach yours to skyjump as I did with mine a long time ago.

Hope you will keep at least one crap MD, as they seem to be needed to "pinpoint"

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Fred

Hope you will keep at least one crap MD, as they seem to be needed to "pinpoint"

A good MD would be helpful too.
Have you ever tried the new White's Spectra V3i or DFX 300? These are awesome for finding the goods.
If you want deeper range to find an iron box full of coins, how about the White’s TM 808, or Lorenz Deepmax X3, or the Pulse Star II Pro with a 1 meter coil?
Sure, they can't find a coin from a mile away, but they are successful at locating a buried iron box without making random beeps.

Best wishes,
J_P

[gaucho1961]

Hello friends of the forum,
I thank you the opportunity to speak.
Has not happened today.
I could not dig and finish it.
As you know, I live in southern Brazil, and we're going through a bitter winter, with lots of rain and intense cold.
As it was combined with my friend, I was traveling this morning to the research site, but the rain was relentless all day and tomorrow will be the same. It rains a lot out there right now.
I stayed inside his house all day and night now returned to my house, the good thing is that is 70 km away from where I live.
Saturday the forecast is better for my state and will stay sunny all next week.
There is some information that I'm leaving out because I want to finish this search for later release, but it is not the function of the detector, can rest easy. It's about strange facts that occur in the region where I'm digging. But that's for later, and I'd rather reserve for later.
I am anxious to resolve this quickly, because there are other points to look at the same farm my friend at the same time want to share this special issue with you all.
To illustrate my statements regarding this research, I copied some pictures from Google Earth and edited on Photoshop, which shows where everything is happening, for them to enjoy and give your opinions about it. Open the photo and increase the zoom.
Look at sites that are marked.


For J_PLAYER:

I had a DeepMax, analog model, but I sold in 2008, really reliable and accurate, but my financial situation at that time did not allow me to stay with him until today I regret having to let go of him. But thanks for the advice anyway.

Again, excuse my English.
Thanks, and I ask you to understand the situation, whether it is sad for all of you, for me is even sadder.
Big hug for everyone!

[Funfinder]

This video is a step into the right direction - but we need alot more of these.

Is this a metal plate directly under the handle for shielding?

Is there a knob for adjusting the beeping volume?

btw. this random beeping really is irritating.
A raise in the tone-frequency would be better or a visual instrument like a VU-Meter.

What means this "walk from north to south"?

That the magnetic particles "flying" from south to north and get weakened or distracted by the long time ago buried object, creating some wind-shadow similar effect that you can detect? In other words some kind of "hole or distortion in the magnetic field"?

Perhaps this also distorts the electrostatic field, but I doubt that there are flying any ions through the air.

by the way there exists some (new?) Mineoro demonstration video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMsEVkXxQy4

and this "deep & center" or whats the exact name thing is really interresting.


Anyway:
More videos please, not only from treasure places, but also from authentic test sessions.

[putrechigi]

hi gaucho1961 everybody know tha i belive ion lrl and i like you answer at my question too please.is possible in north emisphere mineoro has the problem in reception?

For gibon hi my friend i try tree time with bionic and with gold ring we find him 20 cm deep at 50 meters of distans everytime , but about real condition in 5 time we start to escavation for 1.5 meters and in two time we find a gold (1coin and 1ring) i was very happy but after we woek alotoff for nothing, i think the wether condition umiditi,sun,mineralization and other change the power of all lrl and is very very dificult balance they everytime.with fg|80 we try one week and we can't find the gold plate too text that you find in the box with the lrl.
in this video you can see the fg/80 that we test in the huose he work afther two huors to try in the cuontry it was'nt possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbTxwNbIcNM
best reguards manolo

[WM6]

Originally Posted by putrechigi

in this video you can see the fg/80 that we test in the huose he work afther two huors to try in the cuontry it was'nt possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbTxwNbIcNM
best reguards manolo

Hi manolo,

it evidently not work at gold plate vicinity inside house.

Why you dont move gold plate in front instead of tweezers?

It work only on movement, not at gold plate, work as some sort of gradiometer, because of ferrite antenna solution inside.

Gold plate can also work as RF reflector. To check if this happen, you need to fix FG80 and move and rotate gold plate (or other metal plate) in front.

[hung]

One of my fortes is meteorology and after hearing yesterday morning on TV about an upcoming severe cold front for the southern region in Brazil, I entered the weather satelite site and could confirm this information through the synoptical charts checking the isobars.
I just hoped there was enough time for gaucho to work that site before the rain, but indeed there was not.

It seems that it will only get better after monday. Yes, it's a drag but I have run into this problem a lot too and I perfectly know that feels.

[hung]

Originally Posted by J_Player

A good MD would be helpful too.
Have you ever tried the new White's Spectra V3i or DFX 300? These are awesome for finding the goods.
If you want deeper range to find an iron box full of coins, how about the White’s TM 808, or Lorenz Deepmax X3, or the Pulse Star II Pro with a 1 meter coil?
Sure, they can't find a coin from a mile away, but they are successful at locating a buried iron box without making random beeps.

Best wishes,
J_P

How many beeps do you think it's required to find a spot... when you are already in the spot and only needs the location? One million?

With all that 'inconsistent' beepings as you say gaucho perfectly reached the site and even dug the hole...
I already explained the beeping case and what's going on. There is no inconsistency at all, so I will not waste my time going into this explanation again.

I would like however to place some coments about your words concerning the ordinary metal detectors you named.

First point they are obsolete technology.

Metal detector technology as it is today, that is, speaking of ordinary ones, is more than 100 years old now. And today they offer the same kind of concept, independent of being BF0, VLF, PI, etc. looking for changes in magnetic field and conducting metals after a first magnetic field is applied.

I can build a box out of paper. Then I move to wood, then to plastic and as years go by, with new discoveries in leagues, resins and materials, it can be made of plastic, fiberglass, aluminum, etc. No matter how sofisticated that is, it's still a.... BOX.
So, in sum... No matter how these MDs are offered today in terms of fancy looking and parlor shop effects, they still employ over a century year old concept by the manufacturers.
I won't go here in deeper coments on how I think they fool people into thinking they are getting the latest technologies, when the real technologies are being exclusively used by the military or independent researcherers, and making these consumers think they are getting one hell of a deal using those fancy craps for coin hunt at the beach when the toys reach the 'unbelievable' depth of 10 inches for instance. But this is my personal opinion, no discussion about it.
OK, I might be exagerating as there's some inovation goin on despite of being the same old, old concept.
Devices such a s Jeohunter and Golden King, also offer algorithms and DSP which allow to determine target types, depth and 3d images with accuracy. That's good and fair enough. I respect them and it amazes me that it required the Turkish to show the American manufacturers how to do it.
Their imaging employing VLF concepts is interesting, relatively cheap and offer a much better choice than the galactical prices of OKM for instance and that of fancy GPRs. Actually the GPRs being sold for consumers today are piece of crap. The REAL GPRs are being used by NASA, and those are the real deal. As always, the military and government have the priviledge...or waddayathink? But this is another story.

You mentioned white's TM808, The mineoro 08MI beats it hands down, even still using electronics of the 60's but the concept is highly ingenious, allowing caption of target field emanation from dozens of feet away. Just ask gaucho how many feet away he detected and dug a 15 feet long and thick gold chain.
Then the lorenz deepmax x3.
X6 is better with imaging algorithms, yet an expensive toy for detection only if you are over a target.
In these terms, JEOHUNTER is a much, much, better option.
Pulsestar II... good PI, but no imaging. And the other one you mentioned is just a fancy toy for beachcombers.

Again, this technology is obsolete. The military and independent parties are the ones who use the real deal.
LRLs do not require these at all. Maybe a JEOHUNTER just to check what they have detected. This provided the depth is at the reach of the coil.
LRLers usually employ MDs for pinpointing, actually when these craps do pinpoint, but in my opinion, this is just a psicological back up for those who do not know or feel like doing with the LRL itself.

Sorry, but these are my thoughts.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Funfinder

Anyway:
More videos please, not only from treasure places, but also from authentic test sessions.

Alonso is shooting some videos with the Mineoros showing recoveries. These will include beach findings too and techniques he uses.

They will be released very soon.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by hung

LRLers usually employ MDs for pinpointing, actually when these craps do pinpoint, but in my opinion, this is just a psicological back up for those who do not know or feel like doing with the LRL itself.

Hi Hung, It seems that your isobars are at very high level.

[luciano furtado]

I am sending you a map in order to further facilitate the work out there
hehehe ...

[WM6]

Hi Luciano,

your map are false but here I give you an original:

[takhslambos]

HI manolo i m from greece.i m thinking to buy a mineoro.what model of mineoro you used in italy?what model is the best for our cantrys?

[putrechigi]

Originally Posted by takhslambos

HI manolo i m from greece.i m thinking to buy a mineoro.what model of mineoro you used in italy?what model is the best for our cantrys?

i sand you one mp

[goldmaniac]

The soil is very fresh
both swings both disturbed magnetic fields and barrel beep

[Funfinder]

What we need is anticipation, optimistic realistic hope, joy and fun in finding real precious treasures that motivates us for hunting because we will became millioneers, getin' rich and have a real good life, holidays in Las Vegas, sex n drugs n rockn roll, freedom and doin only what we really like... - more treasure huntin'!

That's why we need reliable treasure maps, infos but also detectors that get the most out of the ground!


@ hung
Thank you very much for still posting here and defending the Mineoro devices and ignoring all those bad jokes and stupid stuff because you and some other really try to prove those devices are really working.

Thank you also for your true Jeonhunter statement!

Compared to alot other deep search P.I. stuff (for those you need 1m large coils if you want to find real deep stuff) it can find coins with the standard coil, has disc and also audio/visual cavity-mineral detection.


But what the most people here are critizin' is the unreliability of the Mineoro detectors in the north hemisphere and under certain weather conditions.

Your "damned" usual MDs can be switched on and 95 out of 100 times they do their job as they should - no matter what if it's day or night, sunny or rainy outside.

btw. the meteorology is a really complex topic.


In the german book "Magnetism" I read the following:

There is a second, weaker magnetic field created by the ionosphere and it's most powerful around the equator.

There are also ionic storms from the ionosphere (100-160km above the ground), sometimes created by energetic sunwinds. There also is the Van-Allen-Magnetosphere-Belt.

btw. magnetism is caused by the electrons spin, an electron is the smallest magnetic particle. And for shure this has something to do with LRL, electrostatic and metal detection, because usual MDs are using magnetical coils.


However - making it more interresting by "fun & action" again, hung please go to north america or europe and try out how good the Mineoro works there and upload nice videos from this. If Carl Moreland still offers his price for detection you could make good money if you are shure it would work in da States, too. But because of the different magnetic and electrostatic situation perhaps it really only works in southern america or south of the equator.



@ putrechigi
Thank you for your written test results. Make more if you can with different / not calibrated gold objects and hidden by other person.



@ all - important question:
Let's assume the Mineoro detects a long time ago golden coin of 1 inch / 2.5cm in 1.5 feet / 50cm depth from a distance!!

What usual detector with the best price-worthyness-relation (evtl. what special coil if needed) would be the best for pinpointing this coin, has a chance to find it?!

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by hung

How many beeps do you think it's required to find a spot... when you are already in the spot and only needs the location? One million?

With all that 'inconsistent' beepings as you say gaucho perfectly reached the site and even dug the hole...
I already explained the beeping case and what's going on. There is no inconsistency at all, so I will not waste my time going into this explanation again.

Hmmmm.... If you can't understand the meaning of random beeps, I guess you are wise not to try to explain the concept of inconsistency to others, as you say.

Originally Posted by hung

I would like however to place some coments about your words concerning the ordinary metal detectors you named.

First point they are obsolete technology.

Metal detector technology as it is today, that is, speaking of ordinary ones, is more than 100 years old now. And today they offer the same kind of concept, independent of being BF0, VLF, PI, etc. looking for changes in magnetic field and conducting metals after a first magnetic field is applied.

I can build a box out of paper. Then I move to wood, then to plastic and as years go by, with new discoveries in leagues, resins and materials, it can be made of plastic, fiberglass, aluminum, etc. No matter how sofisticated that is, it's still a.... BOX.
So, in sum... No matter how these MDs are offered today in terms of fancy looking and parlor shop effects, they still employ over a century year old concept by the manufacturers.
I won't go here in deeper coments on how I think they fool people into thinking they are getting the latest technologies, when the real technologies are being exclusively used by the military or independent researcherers, and making these consumers think they are getting one hell of a deal using those fancy craps for coin hunt at the beach when the toys reach the 'unbelievable' depth of 10 inches for instance. But this is my personal opinion, no discussion about it.
OK, I might be exagerating as there's some inovation goin on despite of being the same old, old concept.

Of course you are exagerating. In fact I am wondering if you are telling outright lies. If the conventional VLF and PI detectors are simply a "sophisticated box" and "fancy craps", then we can presume you would not recommend them, much less use them. However, you do use them. You are only saying these things to try to convince others they shouldn't use them. Suppose people found out you really do think they are useful, and use them yourself? Would they stop believing your stories? Already I have heard you tell stories that can't possibly be true in this forum, and now you are telling people conventional metal detectors are obsolete.

Who are they obsolete for? Certainly not you. You use one to find treasure when you want people to think your Mineoro machines found the treasure. Was WM6 right? Are there peple in Brazil trying to scam the rest of the world into believing their LRLs work?
Or did you throw out your conventional detectors years ago, seeing as how they are obsolete?

Originally Posted by hung

You mentioned white's TM808, The mineoro 08MI beats it hands down, even still using electronics of the 60's....

What?
Mineoro is also manufacturing "obsolete" conventional metal detectors?
So they are not obsolete for Mineoro or for you. You only want others to believe they are obsolete.

Now why would that be?
Could this be the next adventure into hung-science?
The only reason that comes to mind is the conventional metal detectors recover over 1000 times more treasure than LRLs have recovered, whether by accident or design. I can look at the published finds every week and there is no comparison. Gold, silver jewelry, caches, coins, relics... the treasure hunting forums are full of these finds from conventional detectors. I see hundreds of treasure finds every week, but only once in a very long while do we hear about a treasure found from someone using an LRL. And we also have a large majority of LRL purchaseres who complain they don't work.

I suppose there could be some logic to try to convince people the conventional detectors are obsolete in order to promote a concept they are sure doesn't work. But maybe it is hard for them to believe you when you secretly use these conventional metal detectors on hunts where you claim the LRLs located the treasure. Of course it is a free forum, so you are free to post about how metal detectors are obsolete, Just as others are free to believe you use obsolete metal detectors to find buried metal.

Originally Posted by hung

...Again, this technology is obsolete. The military and independent parties are the ones who use the real deal.
LRLs do not require these at all. Maybe a JEOHUNTER just to check what they have detected. This provided the depth is at the reach of the coil.
LRLers usually employ MDs for pinpointing, actually when these craps do pinpoint, but in my opinion, this is just a psicological back up for those who do not know or feel like doing with the LRL itself.

Sorry, but these are my thoughts.

You don't need to be sorry for your thoughts.
We know you are among those who need the psychological backup to take a VLF metal detector.
Do you suppose some people think it is the only detector that really finds treasure for you?

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

Jplayer,

You seem to suffer from the same autism that blokes as SWR does when keeping insisting in wrong and obscure points even after the answer was provided.

At the time of the post in which that picture belongs, I had already comented on the reason I had the excalibut aboard. This minelab is an underwater machine.
My PDC could and cannot 'swim'. The FG either.

In clear words, as you seem to have some difficulty in interpreting things...
I could not and still cannot take Mineoro LRLs underwater as they are not waterproof.
Even for big targets, you still need an underwater detector to pinpoint as the gold might be hidden under layers of sand or sediments.
I already thought about using a special high pressure acrylic enclosure made to house digital cameras for underwater work, but I feel this will interfere in the detector's reliability.
I am thinking in a way to end this limitation tough.

Hope this is crystal clear now. Please, save this answer in your PC for future reference. Thanks.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Funfinder

@ hung
Thank you very much for still posting here and defending the Mineoro devices and ignoring all those bad jokes and stupid stuff because you and some other really try to prove those devices are really working.

Thank you also for your true Jeonhunter statement!

Compared to alot other deep search P.I. stuff (for those you need 1m large coils if you want to find real deep stuff) it can find coins with the standard coil, has disc and also audio/visual cavity-mineral detection.


But what the most people here are critizin' is the unreliability of the Mineoro detectors in the north hemisphere and under certain weather conditions.

Your "damned" usual MDs can be switched on and 95 out of 100 times they do their job as they should - no matter what if it's day or night, sunny or rainy outside.

btw. the meteorology is a really complex topic.


In the german book "Magnetism" I read the following:

There is a second, weaker magnetic field created by the ionosphere and it's most powerful around the equator.

There are also ionic storms from the ionosphere (100-160km above the ground), sometimes created by energetic sunwinds. There also is the Van-Allen-Magnetosphere-Belt.

btw. magnetism is caused by the electrons spin, an electron is the smallest magnetic particle. And for shure this has something to do with LRL, electrostatic and metal detection, because usual MDs are using magnetical coils.

Funfinder,
I already stated it in the past, but will do it again.

I am not here defending specifically Mineoro.
I don't earn anything from Mineoro.
I am here standing for the truth and defending the truth to be known.
I have the same point regarding the Rangertell and OKM Bionic 01 for instance, as I know they work because I already have proof they work.

In Mineoro's LRLs specific case, I use them for a litlle more than 5 years now and I know they work, so does gaucho, Esteban, and many others I know but do not post in this forum.

I am aware that apparently some members in this forum own Mineoros also but have not had success with it.
But I am also aware that Mineoro's site features treasure hunters and reports by users outside S.America, from several parts of the world showing treasure found. I remember emailing some of them at the time prior to get my first Mineoro and receiving positive feedback and also the confirmation of the findings.
One member here, Michael, also emailed one of these people and also received positive feedback.

So don't fool yourself as I will not waste my precious time for a single moment debating here whether I think they work or not.
I KNOW they work. Period.

The reason on why the few people in this forum, still had no success with the devices is up to them investigating.
I don't know on what basis they go out for hunting, how they do it, where they are hunting, etc.. It's very hard for me to emit a diagnostic with so many variables missing.

I think it was Esteban who said that he never found anything with a standard metal detector.
I also know a guy who has never found anything either.
Does he go out much? No. Does he look in the right places? Don't know.
What I want to point here is that just because some folks in this forum posted no success yet, does not mean there are no others at this moment in some part of the world having success and who might also not feel like joining forums to tell about their endeavours.

This thread was started by me at gaucho's own request to show members his experience with the detector. gaucho an experienced treasure hunter who has found and recovered several targets in the past just wanted to share a video in which he is using a FG90.
From the images I saw, I can say say that the device located something, but as rain is an obstacle now, we will have to wait.

Funfinder, about your scientific topics above, I just would like to say that there are many current science paradigms that are WRONG.
There is no interest whatosoever, at least for now, for the Academia to apply revision to some standards, when and if they get to finally find it's wrong. A major revolution in history would occur, resulting in a huge mess, economically and also socially.
In your text above there are major mistakes. It's not your fault as you grew used to accept certain aspects as true. But they are not.
It's up to you to believe it or not. I don't care.

However - making it more interresting by "fun & action" again, hung please go to north america or europe and try out how good the Mineoro works there and upload nice videos from this. If Carl Moreland still offers his price for detection you could make good money if you are shure it would work in da States, too. But because of the different magnetic and electrostatic situation perhaps it really only works in southern america or south of the equator.

It's possible.
I started to get this suspicion when a Mineoro user I know started to report to me the unusual behavior his FG80 presented in the region he lives closer to the Equator, but still in Brazilian territory.

He has always reported that a high course in the pot was required to calibrate the detector. Usually it is around 170 to 250 but he was getting as high as 750 to 800.
Then he told that only at night he could detect gold targets making his machine work ok.
In my region for instance, I can not get good results at night.
Then one day he claimed that he was detecting IRON at amazing distances and even joked he would start a new business opening a junk parts shop. Mineoro was informed about it and he had Alonso talking to him on the phone. The device was sent back to factory and Alonso found a problem in the ionic chamber. It was not discriminating ferrous objects as it is supposed to. Machine returned to him and at the begining, he seemed to confirm it was working ok but with the usual 'high' numbers in calibration required. Then after a few days, he emailed me and said he was still getting iron objects also but at a lower rate.
The last thing I have heard is that Alonso is thinking about traveling to his place to check what is going on...
So this also could happen in Countries above the Equator? Yes.
What is going on? I don't know as I have never used a Mineoro outside Brazil. I have some theories but need to get more data for a final word.

Let's assume the Mineoro detects a long time ago golden coin of 1 inch / 2.5cm in 1.5 feet / 50cm depth from a distance!!

What usual detector with the best price-worthyness-relation (evtl. what special coil if needed) would be the best for pinpointing this coin, has a chance to find it?!

Mineoro features the center&deep accessory exactly for this.
I know many people don't use them either because they don't know ho to do it or they as just too lazy to do it.
Fact is that my now deceased friend Celi, did wonders with this tool.
Still in the PDC era he used the C&D to play a role that probably not even Damasio knew it could be done. Besides the regular role for depth determination, he used to have another person in front of him holding it pointing to the ground while Celi held the PDC back as he walked. He always could pinpoint real small objects with this technique.