FUTURE TREASURE GROUP in Dubai

[Dell Winders]

Far as my experience with scam LRL products, such as you produce, I have years of experience with not only your items but many other scam products as well.

O.K. tell the folks what experience you personally have had with the products I build?

I'm particularly interested in your Scientific field test reports of the products I build, and sell. I have asked before but you keep coming up blank. Let's see what you have?

By the way Theseus, the only Meds the Doctor ever prescribed for me are Iron tablets, and I have been taking them. You devoted two paragraphs in your last post telling lies about me. That's chronic. As I said before, you do appear a bit more emotionally stable, and not as prone to go off the deep end.

That's good. Don't regress and make a Fool of yourself and get yourself kicked off of this forum also. You are in good company here. Good Luck! Dell

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

O.K. tell the folks what experience you personally have had with the products I build?

I'm particularly interested in your Scientific field test reports of the products I build, and sell. Dell

I'm glad you asked because now I can give you the same exact answer you always give me and other folks when we ask you for substantiated evidence for your BS claims and concepts.

I'm not going to do your research and testing for you. You do your own research and data recording.

I've already done the research and testing of your products, both in the lab and in the field, and have recorded my findings and reached my conclusions. Your products, your stated concepts and theories of operation are total and complete BS. Your products and the advertised inferences of what they might do beyond pure guessing, logical reasoning and intuition are completely without merit; thus may be referred to as a scam.

If you'd like to publish your own test data, proving otherwise; I invite you to do so at your earliest opportunity.

In the absence of such data, and in the meantime, I'll stick to the conclusions I've already arrived at.

[Dell Winders]

Hey, Theseus, I'm not the one claiming to be the Scientist, you are. If what you say is just your personal opinion, you are entitled. When you make false allegations, or deceptively infer that you have conducted legitimate Scientific testing on my products and can't show any evidence that supports your allegations of fraud, or scam, then you are the one trying to deceive the viewers and are committing Fraud. You are trying to scam the public with unprovable lies. So, be honest. Let's the folks here see the legitimate Scientific proof you claim to have, that my products do not work according to the way that I say they do?

My own claims are a matter of public record, and have been for years. And, I am honest enough to use my real name. I'm Sorry you can't say the same.

I know you have never done any field testing of the products I build. I know your name no longer holds any credibility, and that is sad.
I know you have reason to be afraid to use your real name on the Internet. I realize you are an intelligent person, but I am also aware of your mental problems and resulting vindictiveness. But, as you have been told before, Dowsers & LRL users are NOT your enemy, and I continue to hope you will get over it. Dell

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Hey, Theseus, I'm not the one claiming to be the Scientist, you are. If what you say is just your personal opinion, you are entitled. When you make false allegations, or deceptively infer that you have conducted legitimate Scientific testing on my products and can't show any evidence that supports your allegations of fraud, or scam, then you are the one trying to deceive the viewers and are committing Fraud. You are trying to scam the public with unprovable lies. So, be honest. Let's the folks here see the legitimate Scientific proof you claim to have, that my products do not work according to the way that I say they do?

My own claims are a matter of public record, and have been for years. And, I am honest enough to use my real name. I'm Sorry you can't say the same...

Hi Dell,
Your own claims are a matter of public record? Hmmmm....
Yup. I don't really see you making any claims on your LRL sales web page. I s'pose yer LRLs don't do anything. But there are some customers who buy them as evidenced by the testimonials you put there from two X-Scan buyers in 2003.

So if we want to see what is a matter of public record, we could read what Randi said about your demonstration of locating coins in the sand. "Mr. Winders, who presently advertises at www.omnitron.net, claimed he could locate some gold coins he'd brought along, if they--as a set--were to be randomly placed in one of ten holes on the beach. He came equipped with his locator device, the dowsing rods, and the coins. He was also well-supplied with the trusty alibis with which dowsers always prepare as a shield against their inevitable failure"
I guess Randi says you didn't pass his test to win his prize, and you won't even answer is offers to try again. Hmmmm... that don't sound too good for a public record. But we know that Randi is a scientific pretender, along with Carl-NC, Theseus, me, Qiaohi, Max, and most of the people who make posts in the Geotech forums.

Now, Dell, it seems kind of odd that you don't demonstrate the products you sell recovering the treasures as they are depicted on your web page. After all, you could prove all us scientific pretenders wrong if you showed proof that people could see and touch (ie: live recovered treasure). Of course, you can't do that... on account of "conditions might deteriorate" like they did on the day you demonstrated your LRL for Randi.

But I think I found a solution for the "deteriorated signal line" problem. This is no scientific pretender solution, but the real deal. You will be able to tell this solution works as good as any of your LRLs because of the proof they show. It looks to be very much in line with the proof and evidence you show on your Omnitron page.


See here for a sure-fire solution that will solve the "deteriorated signal line" problem:
http://h1.ripway.com/super59/lrl/Signal_Line_Spray.htm

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by J_Player

See here for a sure-fire solution that will solve the "deteriorated signal line" problem:
http://h1.ripway.com/super59/lrl/Signal_Line_Spray.htm

Best wishes,
J_P

Wow! That stuff could really make a difference. Maybe the paint roller handles and the plumbing fittings will have a chance of actually working now.

[qudamaa.com]

I am an Arab and I respect all treasure hunters
In any country
Tip your
These devices are decorative
It is not effective
And who owns the company
Has scandal when all the Arabs
Now claims to be from Turkey
All devices
And on the experience I failed only decoration is useful Design:n ono::non o:

Had stolen millions of dollars of people have been selling car for the purchase of a failed


I wish to be published this scandal to the world they are not afraid of God

I went millions of dollars from the Middle East, embezzlement and fraud

Beware of my friends from the West and America

And raise the issue in America Frahm You defend rights of people from looting

Not such as my strong and the money is the controlling

I hope to get each and every one of you on what to look for Had stolen millions of dollars of people have been selling car for the purchase of a failed


I wish to be published this scandal to the world they are not afraid of God

I went millions of dollars from the Middle East, embezzlement and fraud

Beware of my friends from the West and America

And raise the issue in America Frahm You protect the rights of people from looting

Not such as my strong and the money is the controlling

I hope to get each and every one of you on what to look for

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by qudamaa.com

I am an Arab and I respect all treasure hunters
In any country
Tip your
These devices are decorative
It is not effective
And who owns the company
Has scandal when all the Arabs
Now claims to be from Turkey
All devices
And on the experience I failed only decoration is useful Design:n ono::non o:

Had stolen millions of dollars of people have been selling car for the purchase of a failed


I wish to be published this scandal to the world they are not afraid of God

I went millions of dollars from the Middle East, embezzlement and fraud

Beware of my friends from the West and America

And raise the issue in America Frahm You defend rights of people from looting

Not such as my strong and the money is the controlling

I hope to get each and every one of you on what to look for Had stolen millions of dollars of people have been selling car for the purchase of a failed


I wish to be published this scandal to the world they are not afraid of God

I went millions of dollars from the Middle East, embezzlement and fraud

Beware of my friends from the West and America

And raise the issue in America Frahm You protect the rights of people from looting

Not such as my strong and the money is the controlling

I hope to get each and every one of you on what to look for

Hello Qudamaa

Like you ,exist many others,but they stay in silent.
Yes,big scandals, and this forum not help becouse you get confused,some people say LRL work,others say not work,so where is the TRUE ?
You and others need to search all this threads about long range locators,and go to final conclusions before spend the money. Me and others are investigating LRL´s ,but unfortunatly others are promoting scam LRL´s who not work,welcome to the world of capitalism ,MONEY,MONEY.

Regards

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Hey, Theseus, I'm not the one claiming to be the Scientist, you are.... Dell

And I am. You mouth all the lies you want about me, and my testing of your scam products. That action in no way changes the facts. It merely demonstrates your vindictive and hostile agenda. Which is the only agenda you've made public for so many years now. When asked for facts and proof of your theories and products; all you've ever produced were name-calling, change the subject and bad-mouth the investigator. I guess your hope is that the investigator will go away. Well, I didn't go away, did I.

I guess it's to be expected, when by your own admission you've stated you have no idea what is actually in the little black boxes (and plumbing fittings) that you sell. You even deny the hot glue, even after the guts of your crap was displayed for all to see.

Well... you may not have a clue what is in them, BUT I DO! From my own testing and experiments, I know exactly what they do beyond pure guessing - NOTHING! All of my research and findings are corroborated by several other scientists and investigators; not to mention the many customers that realized too late that what you sold them was worthless CRAP. They were willing to give the CRAP to me, if I would expose you and your scam business. How else do you think I was able to test your crap; I certainly wasn't going to buy it.

Your lies cannot change those facts, but continue if it makes you feel good. That is basically all you have left now.