MD as long distance

[Esteban]

1,000,000 Randi's prize is for LRL rods, no for electronic long range detectors, please no mixing the thinks.

IR (infrared) + FM radio = 7 m in distance, depth for coin max. 50-70 cm.

IR + FM radio + magnetic absorption antenna = 25 m

And more and more combinations. Conclusion: an unexploded field with infinite possibilities.

Justly (and incredivel), electronic LRD can based in many systems, and ¡incredivel, surprise! nobody or almost nobody work in it in this forum.

"...IR (infrared) + FM radio..."
What are you talking about here, Esteban??? You keep forgeting than i am expert for
radio. Especially FM radio!
A lot of crap from you lately Esteban??? I am gonna reconsider my attitude upon you!
Yes there is(was) ratio "detector" in some types of radio...but it has nothing to do
with any "detection" we want here!
FM radio = antena+front end+local oscill.+IF+"detector"+nf stage...
No to mention PLL in comercial radios....
I designed few uPC PLL's for radio so far. It was "good money" in the past. Now all
busted eversince small,cheap uPC occured on market. PIC16F84 for example....
I have nice PLL project based on 16F84 and 16F628....But, still it has nothing to do
with any detection we want here!
So, you probably put IR receiver at radio front end....so when "detecting"...no,no
"long range locating" (ha,ha,ha) is going on, you may hear some hums,mums or whatever
in speaker!???
C'mon Esteban, you are "sinking" more and more here! Wake up Esteban! Are you 8 year old
child or a man?
For the last time :
Can you stand here, infront all of us, and SWEAR and put some MONEY..that you, alone,
by yourself, ever detected coin on ...let's say...1 meter depth in the ground?!
Can you Esteban? Can you also repeat that in front of some spactators...? Can you?
Come here and answer!

P.S.
Here is only for you esteban; one of my diplomas....I have several of those....
Of course, i had to cover some fields on it. I have to stay unknown here, due my
professional obligations....
I am awared that this prove nothing....But anyway here it is just for you.
Print it, dry it and make some tea from it. Drink and enjoy!

"...Sun magnetosphere,synchrinized cycles of sun stripe appearences,proturberances,magnetic
and hypermagnetic disturbances, gales...all those present usuall causes of minor and major,
cyclic and occasional changes in earth ionosphere, which is, due its flowing current
characteristics in direct relation with earth substance and all we can include in it.
Interesting thing is direct relation with human brain resonance! Through axons,nerve fibres
and nerve nets certain DC ion currents are flowing constantly. Shaped through electro impulses
with rate 30 km per second.
Interesting enough is mentioned speed. Just exact speed of earth rotation!!!?
Sun magnetic induction,including all relative disturbances directly influencing electromagnetic
parameters of ionosphere, and of course indirectly affects processes in human brain.
We can transpond this phenomena to other materials in surrounding nature.
Schumman resonances of earth ionosphere are compatible to range 1.5-20 Hz....."
Very low, as you can see.
This is just illustrative sector of much comprehensive, integral lecture i done several years
ago in one foreign institute of Physics.
I wrote it on Serbian language, lectured on German.....right now i have difficulties to translate
all on English, just for this occasion....just on Estebans demand. (like hell i will!)
Besides my English is not so good...i do not want to look funny here....
But point was not me to show up here (i could take it from anywhere on net...couldnt i?).
Point is to show you exact impossibility of using "Schumman resonances" in metal detecting....
If you have at least some brains, if you have at least minor inteligency, you will notice why
it is not possible to do that! Less is possible to gain any kind of LRL ever!
Many things you mentioned here, like; IR,FM, Schumman..blah...etc.etc...are things you are not
awared at all.Not conversant to talk about! Admit that.
I have noticed tendences here, among some members, to surf net, collect some "top-science" terms
and post those in their posts acting like they do know what is all about, for real!!!?
C'mon! Dont be such fools! Do not "act" here any more!
It is so easy to catch you in all your ignorance!
You are developing here a kind of populistic,naive-laic,"scientific(my ***)" talk and discussion
about subjects so distant from you small, incompetitive brains..!
You should stop with those tendencies! Just be as you are! No shame in ignorance! Shame is in
indolence, lack of good will to learn!
Esteban and others; be modest and you'll learn something. Otherwise you'll stay small and
ignorant for the rest of your lives....

[Esteban]

RObert: Sorry, but your bla bla bla can destroy what I know (and is very sad that all this can't learn in universities). Practice!!! Practice!!! Work in the open field!!!

Are your diploma downloading from the internet? Remember, I want to see your thesis!!!

IR + radio, yes, but you DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW!!!

No since you have learning, of course!!!

[Alexismex]

He Robert , c'est perdre trop de temps et s'ennerver pour rien de refleter l'ignorance de certains sur les lois fondamentales de la physique et de l'electronique a beaucoup d'amateurs de lrl...plus ils sont ignorants et plus ils sont tetus effectivement ...la physique quantique nous cache encore bien des mysteres mais ils ne remettent pas en cause les fondements... ...Comme radioamateur j'ai realisé des contacts par radio a des milliers de km comme par exemple depuis le Mexique aux iles Rodriguez dans l'ocean Indien ayant prix le contact en phonie sur 40mts avec une antenne yagie directionelle , 100 w d'emission et ensuite abaissant la puissance de 100 a 1 watt en QRP je continuais une conversation parfaite...comment avec une si petite puissance je pouvais continuer le contact S9 (ionisation ? etc...) ??? a une si grande distance ...d'autres experiences fantastiques aussi pleines d'enigmes (en haute altitudes de Volcan a volcan ,4000mts d'altitude)sur des distances de 2000 km , je me suis communiqué aux travers de sortes de tunnels ionisés de 2 metres de diametres avec un walky-talky (5watts bandes 144Mhz) etc....Mais de lá a detecter une monnaie a 500 metres c'est de la mythomanie....mal affectant beaucoup de chercheurs de tresors!!!! et exploité par des malins comme ceux de mineoro....bon salut du Mexique

[Seden]

Carl,

Regarding Magnetotellurics, at what frequency would you be able to see something as small as a large coin? Is it the same relationship as in a VLF Inductance Balance metal detector (the higher the frequency, the smaller the object will be detected)?
In Audio Magnetotellurics it is used to detect very large structures several kilometers down,so why can't it be scaled up to where the higher the frequency the shallower the depth and the smaller the object to be detected would be?

Thank you for your help,

Randy

Je suis d'accord avec toi. Attention de salaire sur ceci :

"… les ondes radio voyagent de l'ouest ŕ l'est avec moins d'atténuation qu'elles font d'est-ouest. La différence est environ 3 décibels plus de perte par 1000 milles d'est-ouest. C'est-ŕ-dire que les signaux voyageant d'est-ouest perd environ un 50% davantage de leur puissance par 1000 milles que les signaux voyageant de l'ouest ŕ l'est. Les signaux nord et sud de déplacement ne sont pas affectés. La vitesse également n'est pas affectée assez pour ne causer aucune différence mesurable dans la fréquence de la résonance... "

Entre autres, je suis l'amateur par radio également. Mais dű mon endroit, parfois je juste dois attendre la bonne propagation pour faire la communication.
Oui, l'Amérique du Sud montrée en tant qu'excellent endroit pour la transmission par radio. Mon ami, champion du monde situé ŕ une certaine côte au Brésil.....
Je suis tres désolé parce que mon Français n'est pas aussi bon. Le temps passé et moi l'avons perdu. Je ne l'emploie pas tellement souvent.
Les meilleurs souvenirs !



Esteban, no use to talk with you seriously any more...You are lost for good!
Until you offer some proofs here...you'll be considered as charlatan from now on!

[Seden]

I too am an Amatuer Radio Operator,small world. Robert, I was so glad in your last post that you said your french wasn't too good as I thought you were from France.

As you know this coming sunspot is supposed to be the strongest on record. I plan on getting a 10 meter SSB rig for my car as it will be effortless to work Europe on that band then with low power.

My mainstay has always been 160 meters as the men on their are true experimenters and respectable. That's why in America it's referred to as the "Gentlemens band". I also work 183.5 KHZ SSB and have for years. The ARRL has been trying for some time to adopt it as an Amatuer Band but so far no go. Right now their having hams test the 400-500KHZ slice to see if it would make a good band which in my opinion it would be extremely good. They wouldn't of choose it for Maritime if it wasn't good as you know.

Randy WD6ELU

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by Seden

Regarding Magnetotellurics, at what frequency would you be able to see something as small as a large coin? Is it the same relationship as in a VLF Inductance Balance metal detector (the higher the frequency, the smaller the object will be detected)?
In Audio Magnetotellurics it is used to detect very large structures several kilometers down,so why can't it be scaled up to where the higher the frequency the shallower the depth and the smaller the object to be detected would be?

I'm not much up on MT. But I suspect that with MT, you would never be able to detect a single coin. Telluric currents are a large-scale phenomenom, and I doubt single coins would have any impact on the resulting EM fields.

But I may be wrong.

- Carl

Yeah...
QRP ?
RIG ?

73

Seden,WD6ELU
"YU1ASB to WD6ELU CQ CQ CQ...."

Medium Frequencies (300kHz-3MHz)
The only amateur medium-frequency band is situated just above the domestic AM broadcast band.
Ground wave provides reliable communication out to 150 km (90 mi) or during the day, when no
other form of propagation is available. Long-distance paths are made at night via the F2 layer.
To tell you the truth i never worked on this...Pitty!
1.8-2.0 MHz (160 m)
The top band, as it is sometimes called, suffers from extreme daytime D-layer absorption.
Even at high radiation angles, virtually no signal can pass through to the F layer, so
daytime communication is limited to ground-wave coverage. At night, the D layer quickly
disappears and worldwide 160-m communication becomes possible via F2-layer skip. Atmospheric
and man-made noise limit propagation.Tropical and midlatitude thunderstorms cause high levels
of static in summer, making winter evenings the best time to work DX at 1.8 MHz. A proper
hoice of receiving antenna can often significantly reduce the amount of received noise while
enhancing desired signals.
We have rig in local club but i do not have time to go there oftenly....Also no conditions to
put beam in backyard...stupid reason but true!
I usually work on my 80m....3.737 and 3.725...when at home.Preparing shaft for next season...
Right now i am far away from home and must stay until 09/2007.
In local we are using 145.4MHz....and R2,R3 and R7+...QL6WU works excellent! Although i prefer
"Slim Jim" due verical polarisation...not located well..any GP would do the job i suppose.
But there is 50MHz band very popular lately in my country...Intend to make transceivier when
have some spare time...i guess in winter...I also have CB FM/AM...but this band almost abandoned
here in Serbia...Pitty!

FOR "BELEIVERS" TO READ VERY CAREFULLY !!! (ESTEBAN JUST READ THIS)
Noise
Many unintentional radio emissions result from man-made sources. Broadband radio signals are
produced whenever there is a spark, such as in contact switches, electric motors, gasoline
engine spark plugs and faulty electrical connections. Household appliances, such as fluorescent
lamps, microwave ovens, lamp dimmers and anything containing an electric motor may all produce
undesirable broadband radio energy. Devices of all sorts, especially computers and anything
controlled by microprocessors,television receivers and many other electronics also emit radio
signals that may be perceived as noise well into the UHF range. In many cases, these sources
are local and can be controlled with proper measures.
High-voltage transmission lines and associated equipment, including transformers, switches and
lightning arresters, can generate high-level radio signals over a wide area, especially if they
are corroded or improperly maintained. Transmission lines may act as efficient antennas at some
frequencies, adding to the noise problem. Certain kinds of street lighting, neon signs and
industrial equipment also contribute their share of noise.
Now can anybody tell me something about LRL accuracy!? If we presume that lrl is workin at all?
Great Esteban knows the "secret", of course! Aint no noise which can disturb Estebans
"whoola-whoola" devices...!

[Esteban]

I'm not much up on MT. But I suspect that with MT, you would never be able to detect a single coin. Telluric currents are a large-scale phenomenom, and I doubt single coins would have any impact on the resulting EM fields.

But I may be wrong.

- Carl

Very prudent... Others are very temerary in his appreciations:

He Robert , c'est perdre trop de temps et s'ennerver pour rien de refleter l'ignorance de certains sur les lois fondamentales de la physique et de l'electronique a beaucoup d'amateurs de lrl...plus ils sont ignorants et plus ils sont tetus effectivement ...la physique quantique nous cache encore bien des mysteres mais ils ne remettent pas en cause les fondements...

bla

bla

bla, etc.

Mais de lá a detecter une monnaie a 500 metres c'est de la mythomanie....mal affectant beaucoup de chercheurs de tresors!!!! et exploité par des malins comme ceux de mineoro....bon salut du Mexique

The system was AM (25-30 years ago) and today is no good for the sources of interferences. Alex, do you're working in MD factory or you're the owner? Are you neutral?

What is the REAL purpose of this forum?

How a great physicist as Alex don't feel shane for to visit this forum? So, I want to know why the other physicists don't visit it!!! As you don't have any proof against LRD, enjoy more here (1981 to 2006)!!! (DO YOU CAN FIGHT AGAINST IT, but no only with words?) (RObert: If your diploma and your thesis are secrets, why not long range detectors info!!!)

[Rudy]

Reading this thread can be such a source of humor. No matter
how bad things went at work that day, I can count on coming here
and in a few minutes of reading I am laughing and feel much better.

The eternal search for some new and unexplored effect that will somehow,
manage to identify a gold coin at half a kilometer (more or less).

You have a better chance of finding a way of reversing entropy.

Yes, Carl is very well known as "prudent" man! Especially when he
offers $25000....or maybe he is very sure that LRL is nonsence!?
Let us be reminded on previous Carl's post:
"Sorry, Esteban, but what you are claiming does not align with
physical possibility. Unless there is independent collaboration,
I will have to assume that these devices are essentially the
same as all the other LRLs out there: non-working wish devices.
And I have personally owned, used, and tested just about everything
the LRL world has put out, from chemical loads, to MFD, to ionic...
none of it has ever even remotely come close to working. Nor have
any of the technological claims.
"Here antenna type..."
By chance, was this device mounted on a swivel handle?
- Carl......."

Ha,ha,ha! "Prudent" or experienced ?
Of course that i absoulte agree with him!
Even more; i SPIT on LRL or any variation of it!
So Esteban....despite obvious proofs that your claims are
nonsences, you keep posting funny pictures!?
Bunch of "yo-yos" holding some "whoola-whoola" devices and
pose infront of camera!? And those are your proofs!?
I understand you very well Esteban; you just can not accept
the sad fact, that you wasted so many precious years of your
life on such nonsences and pseudo science.....all that for
nothing!
Only thing you can do here is to post more nonsences and
fantastic claims! To continue with wasting time and space here
despite bust and horror you are living in!?
Yes i do understand you, my friend. Very sad. I can sing you
nice blues song about it....Would you prefer Johnny Lee Hooker
or B.B.King ? Or Muddy Waters?
I know! Carlos Santana will suit you just fine! Oye Como va!


I have 1 000 000 pics more to post, how about you?

[Esteban]

Your judgement is since your experiences. My first trip on metal detection was just with long distance MD (in company of the designer for 4 days), and later with "classic" MD. I stay amazed!!! at my 20 years. So I start with it and continue with LDMD and the "classic". Alternating. And more: 500 m is very short (minimal) and depend of the size of the target. Sorry for to hurt your structure with this afirmation. But this kind of radar detector WAS.

When start posting in this forum, think I will be receive echoes of similar experiences (of others) (THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS FORUM, no the SISTEMATIC NEGATION. IN OTHER WORDS: IF THE PURPOSE IS TO NEGATE ALL POSSIBILITIES, NO REASON TO CONTINUE, THIS FORUM).

Of course, my results are modest in comparisson, but easily I achieve near 80 m for cavalry items (bronze and silver) buried at 75 cm.

With 4 ICs, 7 transistors, 2 diodes + passive components + 3 antennas you can detect 15-20 m a coin (buried for X time, minimum since 1 or 2 years).

So, if there are here on forum a physicist and can't make a similar instrument, is very easy to understand: no info never had and the worst: never work in this direction!!! Of course, as others MD, LDMD suffers problems since you need to work near the point when start the inestability.

I built the next circuit 10 years ago. Sorry the dirty paper (also the size), I adjust some parameters and erase some values and insert others, etc. So, you don't need more, maybe helping by microprocessor type PIC.

[ANDREAS]

Have all right. BUT when we don't know, who will manufacture for personal use and who for commercial, we cannot publish circuits. Simply we give reason you try alone for better results. Esteban please publish here photos my first project Dilliger, because I have problem insert images. I would make so much effort of manufacture, if I amnοt sure for result?
regards

"Your judgement is since your experiences.."
Yes it is true. My experiences so far, tells me that, what you are claiming is not possible.
" I stay amazed!!! at my 20 years.."
It is so easy for some old fraud to amaze young boy like you was at the time.
"..500 m is very short (minimal) and depend of the size of the target.."
First it was 70m on coin...now is 500m....!!!!???? Really Esteban!? If this is possible
than why dont patent it and make a lot of money? I am sure that White's will pay you
$10 000.000 for that patent. I can talk to them in your name, if you dont know how!
I am already pretty familliar with them....so might earn some benefits for you!

"..When start posting in this forum, think I will be receive echoes of similar experiences.."
So time passed, and as you see; no echoes...except Hung. Only negations, not only from me but
from many people here! What this tells you? Think about that a bit!

"...NO REASON TO CONTINUE, THIS FORUM..."

Yes, there are to many reasons to continue this nice forum. The best of the best!
But, NO REASON YOU TO CONTINUE TO POST NONSENCES AND FUNNY PHOTOS ANY MORE...
You already presented yourself as a friend, nice man, good enthusiast.....why spoiling
with nonsences. As i saw, you have much other things to offer here. Some concrete electronic
schematics...VLF,PI,BFO....any kind of workable and testable devices.....Why not doing that?
Do not spoil good "picture" you already have here! Leave that bull**** to hung.He is enough!

"Of course, my results are modest in comparisson, but easily I achieve near 80 m for cavalry
items (bronze and silver) buried at 75 cm.With 4 ICs, 7 transistors, 2 diodes + passive
components + 3 antennas you can detect 15-20 m a coin (buried for X time, minimum since 1
or 2 years)..."
Again, you are just dreaming! I just can not accept that you are lying...although it is
possible also...Have you ever heard about "placebo" effect? I think that you are just
surviving that!
Andreas, i saw schematic you send to ivconic. He mailed to me few days ago...I want to play
fair here, so do not intend to post it without your permission....but must tell you few
things;
You schematic is also nonsence! Ordinary,simple,obsolete type of receiver....You can
receive only hums and interferences with it....maybe some strong local station!?
Do not be affraid to post it here, so everybody can see and laugh to death! Also, you may
see others opinion than mine here.....I am not almighty, i am human also, can make
mistake, can missjudge things....So better would be if you post that here and let other to
see it. I was talking to ivconic and we are sharing same opinion about that.
Let other to see and than we can talk more...
regards!

[Esteban]

RObert

I'm shielding of you! So, you can make any damage!

[ANDREAS]

No Robert. I don't want published nothing. Keep for you. Simply I made a trial, in order to see what I fear. Nothing here does not remain concealed. For this, does not exist case no real diagram it is published.
regards

Beware Esteban, what you posted on photo is Serbian product! I am Serbian also...so beware!

[Esteban]

Beware Esteban, what you posted on photo is Serbian product! I am Serbian also...so beware!




Yes, but we make useful it!!!

Using Tesla's coil outdoor to locate items in the ground......????
You must be dazed oftenly? That explains your claims here.....

[Tim Williams]

I would be interested in building and testing this device. If promising results, I may improve more. Email me if interested. We will keep this private if you want.

Tim

[Esteban]

My cousin return me an album of pics of 1988. Here Alonso, I and Juan with the pistol.