Scientific Test of Dowsing

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I seen it all scammer will work hard at lying

AND TAKE CARE WITH YOUR WORDS

WAS I TALKING ABOUT YOU
I AN TALKING about scammers
SO WHAT AREYOU TALKING ABOUT??????????
TAKE CARE WITH YOUR WORDS
I WILL TELL SCAMMERS WHAT I THANK. WHY ALL OF THIS FROM YOU.
SCAMMERS KNOW I AM TALKING TO THEM ONLY.

[okantex]

hi Esteban
I wondered Omar's rods.
are they just L rods without any electronic parts.
and does not he touch to silver by naked hand.there is something like plastic handling there.

[hung]

Okantex, you will find that there's a ton of information on how dowsing works and why it works.
Several and several aproaches which make up 'the whole'. If you do a serious research you will know. It took me years to comprehend it.
In the case you mention, the plastic handle works as an electrostatic charges concentrator. It works fine although this is not the only reason alone for the dowsing process.
In fact Damasio built the DIAS and IGD ionic dowsing rods (with ionic chambers) and he's been 100% sucessful with it. I have seen him using them.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

Okantex, you will find that there's a ton of information on how dowsing works and why it works.

There's also a ton of information on why dowsing doesn't work.
It's all a mind trick, which in itself is a very interesting subject. The ability of human beings to deceive themselves that something is true when it is not, never ceases to amaze me.

[Esteban]

One more time, Mr. Clad, this isn't the point :

TAKE CARL'S MONEY
Why don't someone take Carl's money
LRL AT THIS TIME DON'T WORK.
BUT PEOPLE CAN BE TAKEN AND PAY FOR A SCAM.

ALL SOMEONE HAVE TO DO IS TAKE CARL'S MONEY.
BS WALKS AND MONEY TALKS
SCAMMER YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
REAL LRL PLEASE TAKE CARL'S MONEY AS A TEST FOR US.

Only I can think that you don't have interest in investigations. If I post all this, is because my interest is investigate and study all this. In all MD fields. If I am a scammer as you think I am, sorry, yo'ure very wrong. Scammers as me don't investigate. I'm not dealer, MD seller, manufacturer, etc. I don't have interest in the money of anybody.

YOUR BIG LETTERS DOESN'T CONVINCE ANYBODY.

[Clondike Clad]

I will let other take up the talk about this LRL stuff.
To me it is a big scam at this time.
So I will sit back and lurk.
I really like to have a working LRL.
I will lay low at this time.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

I will let other take up the talk about this LRL stuff.
To me it is a big scam at this time.
So I will sit back and lurk.
I really like to have a working LRL.
I will lay low at this time.

Hi Condike Clad,

Esteban is not the bad guy here with regard to LRLs. He is an investigator, and I appreciate his efforts. We agree to disagree on whether LRLs are real working devices, and (as ever) I am the big skeptic in this area. But at least he's not masquerading as the Marketing Department for any LRL manufacturer, and doesn't spout forth with psuedoscientific rubbish like certain others here. Esteban builds his own devices, and even believes that they work. Not everyone involved in this LRL debacle are scammers. Some are just self-deluded.
Personally I think you will wait a very very long time before having a working LRL. Most likely the universe will cease to exist before that happens.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Hi Condike Clad,

Esteban is not the bad guy here with regard to LRLs.

No he's not. You gave plenty of evidence it's you.

doesn't spout forth with psuedoscientific rubbish like certain others here.

You already proved you don't have the sufficient scientific knowledge or the competence to debate those matters. If you noticed I quit discussing this with you a long tme ago.

Esteban builds his own devices, and even believes that they work. Not everyone involved in this LRL debacle are scammers. Some are just self-deluded.

Esteban, I, and others already gave plenty of evidence about LRLs. If you still are not convinced it's either because you have a bad intention or a sick mind. Maybe both.

Personally I think you will wait a very very long time before having a working LRL. Most likely the universe will cease to exist before that happens.

This is one of the greates BS I've come to read in this forum from a skeptic.. Ouch... Mirror Rudy. At least he's got class.

[Esteban]

Hi friends, thanks very much!!! My wishes every day will be better for all us.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

No he's not. You gave plenty of evidence it's you.

This is a peculiar remark to come from someone who is a self-proclaimed evangelist for LRLs. Your ability to spout forth with unending pseudoscientific gobbledygook is truly amazing, and clearly shows a total lack of scientific knowledge or practical design ability.

Originally Posted by hung

You already proved you don't have the sufficient scientific knowledge or the competence to debate those matters. If you noticed I quit discussing this with you a long tme ago.

Despite your protestations earlier concerning everyone else's tendency to make assumptions, you are making a huge presumption here. In fact, my academic background is in physics, whereas your own is firmly rooted in the fairytale land of Bearden et al. An often used protest against skeptics is that they do not have an open mind, whereas it's actually the "believers" that have an inflexible mindset and lack the ability to see outside their pseudoscientific box. An elementary knowledge of psychology is all that's required to demonstrate how human beings are able to deceive themselves into believing the most utter tripe.

Originally Posted by hung

Esteban, I, and others already gave plenty of evidence about LRLs. If you still are not convinced it's either because you have a bad intention or a sick mind. Maybe both.

So far you have not presented any convincing evidence, and many other skeptics here will back me on this statement. Your "evidence" is subjective at best, and falls apart under rigorous examination. You are also unwilling to submit to double-blind testing, which is a clear indication that the claimed phenomenon is untestable in controlled conditions. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So far, this evidence is completely lacking. The real answer is quite clear. Both dowsing and LRLs have been tested on numerous occassions, and the result have always been negative. Random testing in the field could be subject to either intentional (conscious) or unintentional (unconscious) interference. Double-blind testing is the only way to eliminate the human element.

Originally Posted by hung

This is one of the greates BS I've come to read in this forum from a skeptic.. Ouch... Mirror Rudy. At least he's got class.

You obviously do not read your own posts.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Esteban

In a book called The electronic metal detector handbook... For serious beginners and Inquisitive Professionals, by E. S. LeGaye, you can read this epigraph of photo (page 2):

7) A really old "metal detector": a Spanish dip needle that, believe it or not, has actually located treasure! Charles Garrett, of Dallas, Texas, demonstrates the proper way to hold this interesting old relic.

Who is in the photo? Is the same Garrett, from Garrett Detectors? What are doing with this "instrument"?

I missed this post from earlier on in this thread.
Yes - it is Charles Garrett. In fact, the words below the picture say "Charles Garrett, of Dallas, Texas, demonstrates the proper way to hold this interesting device.".
What it doesn't say is whether he's convinced that it works or not.

Also - on the next page - it says:
"At the same time, it is an almost self-evident fact that - whether they admit it or not - very few of the disciples and practitioners of para-scientific theories and esoteric gadgetry seem able consistently to make money finding treasure by means of their theories and gadgets. If, therefore, you are ever approached by someone wanting you to "invest" in either gadget or services with a gadget, be forewarned. Before you put your hard-earned cash on the line, ask him to put proven performance where his mouth is!".

This book was published in 1969, and the same old nonsense still goes rolling along...

[hung]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

In fact, my academic background is in physics,

By becoming a painter, does not necessarily mean someone is an artist.
Keep striving. Who knows...

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

By becoming a painter, does not necessarily mean someone is an artist.
Keep striving. Who knows...

Chinese Proverb: "A vacant mind is open to all suggestions as a hollow building echoes all sounds."

Such is the pseudoscientific mindset...

[Rudy]

If Hung says I have "class", then it must be true.