Colorado Gold Sticks

[Dell Winders]

WHAT A BUNCH OF IGNORAMUS BS!

It's usually the dowsing and LRL believers that say skeptics do not have an open mind. When in fact it's the other way around. You are just not listening. Dowsing only appears to work because the mind is very adept at making you believe things that are not true.

Here's a nice little parlor game:

Take a length of thread and attach a small weight to the end. Then draw a cross on a piece of paper and suspend the weight over the cross. Try to keep your hand perfectly still, and concentrate on the weight. With the sheer power of your enormous mind you can make the weight move from side-to-side. After a while, will the weight to stop and then start oscillating in a vertical direction.

Such is the power of the ideomotor effect. You will swear that your hand was perfectly still during the whole experiment. So how was the weight able to move? My God, it must be a miracle! Or perhaps witchcraft!!

This is the same mind trickery that powers the Ouija board, table tipping and dowsing. C'est la vie!

Qiaozhi, you are not smart enough to think for other people, so quit trying. You are usually wrong, and you are only demonstrating your ignorance.

I know very well that it is the motion of my hand, and there is nothing bizzare, or aginst the laws of physics that causes the pendulum to move in a specific direction. If you think that I believe that dowsing is some sort of magic gift, illusion, or parlor trick, you are nuts, and you certainly don't speak for me.

FYI, Dowsing with a pendulum is totally reliant on a muscle Ideomoter response from the brain. It is the resource successful Dowsers utilize to access and visually communicate archived, or accessed information from our biological computers. (brain/mind)

If you were smart enough to think beyond the very limited knowledge of your text books, you would not be in denial of the God given ability of your own brain/mind, or think your deluded assumptions about Dowsing were intelligent.

Wake up, and stop trying to excell your Skeptic peers as an intellectual idiot. You are not quite dumb enough yet to accompolish that. Dell

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Qiaozhi, you are not smart enough to think for other people, so quit trying. You are usually wrong, and you are only demonstrating your ignorance...
...Wake up, and stop trying to excell your Skeptic peers as an intellectual idiot. You are not quite dumb enough yet to accompolish that.

Hahahahahaaaa... The Ouija board wizard wants us to think Qiaozhi is trying to think for the rest of us?

Hahahahahaaa... Errr Dell, did you consider you are not smart enough to talk to any engineer in this forum? We engineers like science that is repeatable, not excuses for why equipment cannot be tested in a fair test. Now, I don't claim that you are not a dowser, a psychic, or a mentalist, or a combination of those things. We all are aware of the rare, highly gifted mentals whose god-given gifts can never be proven in person in front of witnesses for us to see (I once met a man who talked to invisible people in the sky that nobody else could see or hear except him, but he refused to show me these people until I said I believed him -- I still couldn't see or hear them after pretending to believe him). Now, as a retarded non-believer and second-rate engineer, I look up to the insights of those much more accomplished than me... like Qiaozhi and the others who consistently build equipment that actually will find a treasure in front of a group of witnesses.

If you really believe your god-given gift of dowsing can locate treasure, then let's both go to a field that has been cleared of all metal debris. Let Carl bury a 1-oz gold coin 4 inches below the ground in a 100 ft square plot of land in this clean field. You use your Colorado Gold Sticks, pendulums, dowsing tools, Omnitron, Mineoro, and any god-given mental gifts you have, while I will use my VLF detector and PI detector. We can invite a large crowd of LRL believers and searchcoil believers to watch the event. Let us see who's method works to locate the buried gold coin.

(hint: I bet you will whine that this is not a fair test, and also make comments to discredit me).

[Dell Winders]

O.K. JPlayer, so you don't include God as a factor. And you have chosen to construe my words to fit your own limited mind set.

I never said that I, you, or anyone has a God given gift. That denotes an egotistical claim of chosen superiority. I make no such claims. I stated "ability" not gift. So, for your intellect I'll leave the word "God" out of the equasion and rephrase.

"If you were smart enough to think beyond the very limited knowledge of your text books, you would not be in denial of the inherhent ability of your own brain/mind, or think your deluded assumptions about Dowsing were intelligent."

You restrict your own mental capabilities through your own denial. But, the interest in learning and utilizing your own inherhent abilities and limiting your human potential is a personal choice you make for yourself, and have that right to do so.

I accept that your mockery of me is for the benefit and favor of your peers, but your earlier postings were far more logical and rational, and I suspect you have the ability to think out side the egotistical limitations of the technological box some here have confined themselves to under a scientific pretense.

As far as your test proposal, Yes it is rigged, and you are smart enough to know that. If the Treasures I search were within the depth limitations of a metal detector, I will use a metal detector. So if you wish to do a legitimate comparison test with your metal detector, then bury Carl,s little gold bar at least 6 foot deep in an area of least 5 acres and you will have the opportunity to learn the limitations of your metal detector, just as I have with more than 35 years experience in the use of metal detectors, under most all concievable conditions.

If you don't wish to learn from anothers broad experience in Treasure Hunting that's your business, but your mockery is a clear indication of your ignorance of a subject and the person you pretend to be knowledgeable about. Dell

[KneeDeep]

What do text books have to do with this subject. You talk like a librarian instead of a treasure seeker. How much more fair can that challenge get. Your being silly , thinking anyone that has used a detector would go after a coin of any kind buried 6ft. The Colorado Junk sticks would have you on another planet if you followed them far enough. Then you can argue with the aliens. , but you still would come up empty handed. You could stand inside Fort Knox. and not get a response from that garbage. Does Fort Knox need to be buried 100ft. so that the Junk Sticks can get a proper tune on it? So far knowbody can back the claims up of any dowsing or LRL. Why not be the first , and stop all this BS about I know they work , etc. , etc. PROVE IT!! ANYBODY!! And by the way , what does god have to do with it? Bible thumpers refer to them as witching , or work of witches. Are you one?
David

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

If you were smart enough to think beyond the very limited knowledge of your text books, you would not be in denial of the God given ability of your own brain/mind, or think your deluded assumptions about Dowsing were intelligent.

So you are saying that a metal detector with a searchcoil can find the gold bar buried four inches when dowsing and LRL's cannot?

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

I know very well that it is the motion of my hand, and there is nothing bizzare, or aginst the laws of physics that causes the pendulum to move in a specific direction. If you think that I believe that dowsing is some sort of magic gift, illusion, or parlor trick, you are nuts, and you certainly don't speak for me.

What do you believe then? Your table top antics at detecting treasure from a distance defies the laws of physics, but is adequately explained by the psychology of the mind. Even dowsing in the field is a mind trick. You are fooling yourself into believing a bunch of BS, and for that alone I feel sorry for you.

Originally Posted by Dell

FYI, Dowsing with a pendulum is totally reliant on a muscle Ideomoter response from the brain. It is the resource successful Dowsers utilize to access and visually communicate archived, or accessed information from our biological computers. (brain/mind)

"archived information" - so there is no interaction with some mysterious external field then? No signal lines? It's all coming from your mind, or "biological computer"? You're only confirming what has been said before by myself and other skeptics. It's a mind trick.

Originally Posted by Dell

If you were smart enough to think beyond the very limited knowledge of your text books, you would not be in denial of the God given ability of your own brain/mind, or think your deluded assumptions about Dowsing were intelligent.

The human brain/mind does not have the ability to influence external objects at a distance. You are sadly deluded if you think that is true.
FYI - there is no deity involved when it comes to metal detecting.

Originally Posted by Dell

Wake up, and stop trying to excell your Skeptic peers as an intellectual idiot. You are not quite dumb enough yet to accompolish that. Dell

I can asssure you that I am very much awake, and I'm not as dumb as you look.

[Esteban]

Silly is to waste money in my opinion. I will triple Carls reward if anyone wants to take me up on it. Tell your friends in Brazil , or any other third world country. None of them work...

Ok, ok, but remember that people of first world build it (Canon City, Co, USA), or not?

If I want one of this, I build myself... better!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Colorado-Gold-St...QQcmdZViewItem

[Dell Winders]

The quoted reference I replied to refers to Dowsing & LRL believers.
Believing, and knowing are two different categories.

I don't speak of, Dowsing, or LRL's or USE what I BELIEVE will work. I only use what has proven to work and be of practical use in searching for the type of deep buried Treasure I enjoy hunting for. Conventional metal detectors aren't designed, or intended for my type of searches. So unless those of you practicing Judgemental Idiocies can provide me better, less time consuming, and less expensive methods for me to obtain research information, and field data than with the proven Dowsing, LRL, and geophysical methods I presently use, You are only displaying your total ignorance of the subjects with non-sensical BS rhetoric, mockery, and denial of your own brains un-used abilities.

You have built yourself a mental block to prevent your comprehension of the simplest logic of, "What has already been done, can be done." Everything I speak of has already been done.

I don't know anything about Ouija boards, that I am falsely accused through Ignorance, prejudice, or both. I have never used one.

I don't know anything about the Piezo mechanism used with the Co. Gold Sticks. I have never owned, tested, or compared their method so I can't honestly say it does, or doesn't work, or to what extent.

No David, I am not a witch, unless you are comparing me to those who were hung, or burned by the skeptics for exercising the sensible logic of applying mold to heal an open sore, or wound. In modern days Scientist refer to its derivative as, Penicillin.

FYI, the bible speaks of Divination, the prophesying of events. It would be nice, but Dowsing from my bio-computer doesn't have that capability any more than any other computer as far as I have yet learned.

You are free to "believe" what you wish, and "believing" what you hear and write about me is exactly what you are doing, without establishing a basis of fact or truth. In my opinion, that is a very prejudiced , and un-scientific approach for people who claim to respect Science.

Live to learn, my friend.

"THE DOOR TO UNDERSTANDING & KNOWLEDGE IS NEVER OPEN TO A PREJUDICED OR CLOSED MINDSET. Dell

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

The quoted reference I replied to refers to Dowsing & LRL believers.
Believing, and knowing are two different categories.

I don't speak of, Dowsing, or LRL's or USE what I BELIEVE will work. I only use what has proven to work and be of practical use in searching for the type of deep buried Treasure I enjoy hunting for. Conventional metal detectors aren't designed, or intended for my type of searches. So unless those of you practicing Judgemental Idiocies can provide me better, less time consuming, and less expensive methods for me to obtain research information, and field data than with the proven Dowsing, LRL, and geophysical methods I presently use, You are only displaying your total ignorance of the subjects with non-sensical BS rhetoric, mockery, and denial of your own brains un-used abilities.

You have built yourself a mental block to prevent your comprehension of the simplest logic of, "What has already been done, can be done." Everything I speak of has already been done.

I don't know anything about Ouija boards, that I am falsely accused through Ignorance, prejudice, or both. I have never used one.

I don't know anything about the Piezo mechanism used with the Co. Gold Sticks. I have never owned, tested, or compared their method so I can't honestly say it does, or doesn't work, or to what extent.

No David, I am not a witch, unless you are comparing me to those who were hung, or burned by the skeptics for exercising the sensible logic of applying mold to heal an open sore, or wound. In modern days Scientist refer to its derivative as, Penicillin.

FYI, the bible speaks of Divination, the prophesying of events. It would be nice, but Dowsing from my bio-computer doesn't have that capability any more than any other computer as far as I have yet learned.

You are free to "believe" what you wish, and "believing" what you hear and write about me is exactly what you are doing, without establishing a basis of fact or truth. In my opinion, that is a very prejudiced , and un-scientific approach for people who claim to respect Science.

Live to learn, my friend.

"THE DOOR TO UNDERSTANDING & KNOWLEDGE IS NEVER OPEN TO A PREJUDICED OR CLOSED MINDSET. Dell

More of the usual diatribe...

[KneeDeep]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Silly is to waste money in my opinion. I will triple Carls reward if anyone wants to take me up on it. Tell your friends in Brazil , or any other third world country. None of them work...

Ok, ok, but remember that people of first world build it (Canon City, Co, USA), or not?

If I want one of this, I build myself... better!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Colorado-Gold-St...QQcmdZViewItem

And remember to buy your shocks from an American manufacturer. Remember when Brazilian based Cofap came to America? Kingsport , TN? They nearly ruined a few American car companys by building those junk shocks for them In turn lots of recalls followed. Lets not go into what Brazilians can build. f I remember right Magneti Marelli had bought Cofap and got rid of those cheap *** Argentina built welders. They should stick to fixing flats on Fiats

[hung]

Originally Posted by KneeDeep

And remember to buy your shocks from an American manufacturer. Remember when Brazilian based Cofap came to America? Kingsport , TN? They nearly ruined a few American car companys by building those junk shocks for them In turn lots of recalls followed. Lets not go into what Brazilians can build. f I remember right Magneti Marelli had bought Cofap and got rid of those cheap *** Argentina built welders. They should stick to fixing flats on Fiats

Hey man, your knowledge of this crap really hardly overcomes that of a bacteria.

I could cite hundreds of american scams done here or to the world, but:

1 - MacDonalds : Besides poisoning AND KLLING a lot of people in the world, sells his worm meat hamburger as beef.

2 - Raytheon. Scamed brazilian government by selling junk radar systems for SIVAM , the amazon surveillance system, as top of line technology.
It hurts to see we being made fool.

Get a life .

[Clondike Clad]

Now Carl's $25,000 plus $75,000 that is $100,000.
THAT IS WHAT WE CALL MONEY TALKS AND BULLS#IT WALKS
Someone with a FG80 go and take the money and run.

[KneeDeep]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

Now Carl's $25,000 plus $75,000 that is $100,000.
THAT IS WHAT WE CALL MONEY TALKS AND BULLS#IT WALKS
Someone with a FG80 go and take the money and run.

Still waiting, dont see any FG80's showing up either.

[KneeDeep]

[quote=hung;51902]Hey man, your knowledge of this crap really hardly overcomes that of a bacteria.

I could cite hundreds of american scams done here or to the world, but:

1 - MacDonalds : Besides poisoning AND KLLING a lot of people in the world, sells his worm meat hamburger as beef.

2 - Raytheon. Scamed brazilian government by selling junk radar systems for SIVAM , the amazon surveillance system, as top of line technology.
It hurts to see we being made fool.

Are you a moron ? , did your mom drop you off a cliff? This is an American based forum , and you are bashing Americans , are you that stupid? What are you doing here in the first place. Do you not have any soccor balls to play with? McDonalds probably wants to poison you in one way or another. That food is unhealthy anyway you look at it. It does not need any help. Is that the only two things you can think of ? You better do better than that , sounds like you have been reading tabloids as well as the other LRL believers. You need to get with the program , and get in the right century , you may get a rude knock on your door if you keep bashing America. We have a trigger happy cowboy in office that loves to play WAR. Dont be a fool and let your mouth run off before you think. .....................

[Carl-NC]

Both sides need to stick to the subject, and cut out the nationalistic sniping. This is a technology forum, open to everyone on Earth. Thanks.

[KneeDeep]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

Both sides need to stick to the subject, and cut out the nationalistic sniping. This is a technology forum, open to everyone on Earth. Thanks.

I agree Carl , Topic was getting wild. I dont think I need to discuss it anymore. I can back my mouth up in more ways than one.

[Dell Winders]

[quote=KneeDeep;52247]

Originally Posted by hung

Hey man, your knowledge of this crap really hardly overcomes that of a bacteria.

I could cite hundreds of american scams done here or to the world, but:

1 - MacDonalds : Besides poisoning AND KLLING a lot of people in the world, sells his worm meat hamburger as beef.

2 - Raytheon. Scamed brazilian government by selling junk radar systems for SIVAM , the amazon surveillance system, as top of line technology.
It hurts to see we being made fool.

Are you a moron ? , did your mom drop you off a cliff? This is an American based forum , and you are bashing Americans , are you that stupid? What are you doing here in the first place. Do you not have any soccor balls to play with? McDonalds probably wants to poison you in one way or another. That food is unhealthy anyway you look at it. It does not need any help. Is that the only two things you can think of ? You better do better than that , sounds like you have been reading tabloids as well as the other LRL believers. You need to get with the program , and get in the right century , you may get a rude knock on your door if you keep bashing America. We have a trigger happy cowboy in office that loves to play WAR. Dont be a fool and let your mouth run off before you think. .....................

This is not the first time by any means, that a Skeptic has threatened an LRL user, or Dowser, with physical, or libelous harm. It appears to be a characteristic trait of the Skeptic groups closed minded, prejudice mentality. Dell

[Rudy]

[QUOTE=Dell Winders;52253]

Originally Posted by KneeDeep

This is not the first time by any means, that a Skeptic has threatened an LRL user, or Dowser, with physical, or libelous harm. It appears to be a characteristic trait of the Skeptic groups closed minded, prejudice mentality. Dell

That's quite a reach Dell. I expected better from you. You know that was totally out of context.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Rudy

That's quite a reach Dell. I expected better from you. You know that was totally out of context.

Careful Rudy
With Dell's awesome paranormal ability, he might slip along the astral plane one evening to visit you in your sleep for some malevolent dowsing activity. Remember the power of the dark side.

[Clondike Clad]

[quote=Dell Winders;52253]

Originally Posted by KneeDeep

This is not the first time by any means, that a Skeptic has threatened an LRL user, or Dowser, with physical, or libelous harm. It appears to be a characteristic trait of the Skeptic groups closed minded, prejudice mentality. Dell

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If you sell scam you need to be tar and feathered.
Taking people hard earn money by a Scam is like a thief and you know what happens to them if caught.
IF YOU SELL A SCAM BE READY TO PAY THE PRICE.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A REAL WORKING LRL I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU.
SCAMMERS YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE...........................................:ang ry: