Recovery Group Using Long Range Locators

[Jim]

The Georgia based outfit appears to be using unconventional “treasure hunting” methods, with amazing results! Or, are they?

After scouring over their website, I failed to find any “big feature” recoveries. Lots of hype and hoopla, that’s about it. I also failed to find how there double-blind tests were conducted or the results. Very fishy to say the least.

http://www.floridarrg.com/activities.htm


“Florida Research and Recovery Group is organized and equipped to conduct
both land and sea operations. Running double-blind tests, FRRG has
demonstrated the ability to successfully locate large items (shipwrecks) at distances
of 106 miles. On land, the equipment has greater sensitivity due
to antenna and receiver design. Equipment operation is currently
restricted to FRRG personnel, both because of training experience
required and because of the extremely high operating voltages involved.
An interesting element in FRRG's operation is a unique antenna system,
designed and developed by Larry Turbeville. This antenna system
can distinguish between gold, iron. silver, emeralds and diamonds.
Actually, almost anything!!”

[hung]

It looks like a Radio Frequency based LRL.
High voltages...? Through modified coils?
Would they be willing to give details on this?
I sure envy the structure and gear those guys have...

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

It looks like a Radio Frequency based LRL.
High voltages...? Through modified coils?
Would they be willing to give details on this?
I sure envy the structure and gear those guys have...

Yeah, right. Whoopee!!!

Originally Posted by Jim

This antenna system
can distinguish between gold, iron. silver, emeralds and diamonds.
Actually, almost anything!!”

Except B.S presumably...

[Carl-NC]

"This antenna system can distinguish between gold, iron. silver, emeralds and diamonds."

That statement alone tells me all I need to know about their claims.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

"This antenna system can distinguish between gold, iron. silver, emeralds and diamonds."

That statement alone tells me all I need to know about their claims.

Welp...seems as if you just may get to see this one in action! Below is a quote (and link it came from) from someone who works for this organization.

"No one said my employers were uneducated.
We also deal with Geotech, our mag came from them, and if ask, I am sure Jim (the boss) would demonstrate our equipment for him."

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...html#msg567510

[hung]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Yeah, right. Whoopee!!!

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Except B.S presumably...

Hey hard headed, so you don't admit the possibility of tuning to a radio station miles away?
Well, if you don't, I can even go deeper in my next coment as you sure never heard of caduceus coils configs which might enhance this even more.

One more thing I won't waste my time discussing with you. Hey, the list is long...

[Jim]

Originally Posted by hung

Hey hard headed, so you don't admit the possibility of tuning to a radio station miles away?
Well, if you don't, I can even go deeper in my next coment as you sure never heard of caduceus coils configs which might enhance this even more.

One more thing I won't waste my time discussing with you. Hey, the list is long...

Hung…did you even visit the website? All of this advanced technology, with no results. Suspicious to say the least.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Jim

Hung…did you even visit the website? All of this advanced technology, with no results. Suspicious to say the least.

Well, I saw the antenna structure mounted on the beach. It leads to believe it could be RF, but what kind of emissions I don't know. There's a tansmitter, high voltages and a software involved. So there's a converter and interface.
I only wonder if the transmissions to the antenna comes from the boat. If you live closer to them, why don't you ask for a demonstration? Many things we consider not possible to work actually do work.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by hung

Well, if you don't, I can even go deeper in my next coment as you sure never heard of caduceus coils configs which might enhance this even more.

Don't exceed more than 1 watt of input power into a caduceus coil, or you risk making a tear into space-time.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

Hey hard headed, so you don't admit the possibility of tuning to a radio station miles away?
Well, if you don't, I can even go deeper in my next coment as you sure never heard of caduceus coils configs which might enhance this even more.

One more thing I won't waste my time discussing with you. Hey, the list is long...

Yes - I've heard of caduceus coils, and bifilar windings, and scalar electromagnetics. But don't waste our time here with this nonsense, as they have absolutely nothing to do with treasure hunting.

[Dell Winders]

I'm surprised that none of the resident assumption experts didn't notice that a pair of L-rods is used to meter the signal. Dell

[hung]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

I'm surprised that none of the resident assumption experts didn't notice that a pair of L-rods is used to meter the signal. Dell

Dell, you're correct.
Dowsing is and will always be a valuable tool. It's been that way for centuries. It's a mean, not an end tough. It's based on frequency resonance as everything in the universe. So if their LRL is based on frequencies as well as I almost positive it is, then it makes perfect sense to employ a rod for checking the signals.
Also it may appear their LRL is one of two working, using the principle of frequency resonance I know of. The other is Kelly Brown's Treasure Tracker.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

I'm surprised that none of the resident assumption experts didn't notice that a pair of L-rods is used to meter the signal. Dell

I noticed the L-rods, and said so in a discussion on T-Net which included a member of FRRG. The use of L-rods was not denied.

- Carl

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by hung

Also it may appear their LRL is one of two working, using the principle of frequency resonance I know of. The other is Kelly Brown's Treasure Tracker.

Practically all LRLs that come with an electronics box claim to utilyze this "principle," including some sold by Dell. It is a bogus principle, easily proven false by anyone who cares to use careful testing procedures.

Also, Kelly Brown's Treasure Tracker has yet to result in a single, solitary recovered treasure. Lot's of claims of treasure "found," but nothing dug up. Typical LRL results.

- Carl

[hung]

Possibly a similar aproach of what Diverlynn is using, in a portable design.
Max range is 9 miles compared to the claimed 106 by the FRRG. However this depends on the target's size and power applied anyway.
Interesting to see this device employs HF and now UHF for triangulation of the received RF signals of buried targets or ones which are in the ocean. Apparently the antenna receives back the frequencies sent through RF.

http://www.rsi-detectors.com/ee-thor%20lrd.htm

[hung]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

Practically all LRLs that come with an electronics box claim to utilyze this "principle," including some sold by Dell. It is a bogus principle, easily proven false by anyone who cares to use careful testing procedures.

Until you reconsider your methods of research to understand what dowsing really is, sentences like the ones above will continue to abound the forums.
There's nothing bogus on LRLs based on resonant frequencies. Every element resonates.
In fact, if what you stated was true, the examiner employed in my team would have never led us in the direction to the target in the cave which the FG80 confirmed when the range was reached. Concidence? Luck?
Hmm.. I don't consider those scientific.

Also, Kelly Brown's Treasure Tracker has yet to result in a single, solitary recovered treasure. Lot's of claims of treasure "found," but nothing dug up. Typical LRL results.

- Carl

As you are not a Thunter, your bolded word says it all. True THunters know how hard and difficult the recovery phase is. Detection many times is the easy part.
Private land, problematic land owners, greed in contracts, secrecy having to be kept, government surveillance for taxes, etc. and etc.
I'm not saying that Kelly Brown faces this tough but you also cannot deliberately state that he did not recover anything yet, unless you are spying him. I have been in contact with him for a long time and found he's not very prone to publicity, so...

[Dell Winders]

Practically all LRLs that come with an electronics box claim to utilyze this "principle," including some sold by Dell. It is a bogus principle, easily proven false by anyone who cares to use careful testing procedures.

Carl, you need to rename your forums appropriately to "When intellectual idiots speak". You continue to make false assumptions, without any proof, and state your own assumptions as a basis for fact. You are indeed being dishonest, mis-leading and untruthful in your scientific pretense to be able to look at a photograph and flat out say it is a bogus principle, or it can't work. It appears you are the one running a scam and advertising improbable challenges to promote your scam.

It's apparent, the FRRG, are Professional Treasure Salvors, and have some electronic knowledge. It's ridiculous for you to assume that Professionals would waste their time and money on R&D and use a method that doesn't work. Since the Remote Sensing Frequency Discrimination concept does work and is backed up by years of private DB field testing, and recoveries, it obviously works on scientific principles whether the signal is metered electronicly, or with simple hand held directional antenna rods. That is not to be mis-construed as Dowsing, as you falsely claim in your ignorance of the subject.

I returned yesterday from the Florida East coast where I conducted 2 RSFD surveys for a TH group, witnessed by 6 people at a water location where they had researched, and 3 witnesses at an unresearched land location.

I mentally dowsed and plotted the approximate target locations on Google earth aerial photos two weeks earlier. This is in the center of a Federal wildlife sanctuary with trepass warning signs everywhere so I had to be careful not to step one foot on posted government property. I had brought an inflatable dinghy for us to access the water site near the other side of the creek. From a bridge about 100 yards away I waved a Discriminating directional locator rod back and forth and it locked on targets about 70 feet from the location I had Dowsed on the Google earth photo.

Fortunately, there were some young students camping on the other side of creek and I yelled over asking how they got on the property. They said that section was private property, and we drove around to the gate and they let us search for the Gold targets for the Gold targets from their property.

I gave 2 of the Treasure Hunters plastic rods and they waded into 2-3 foot deep water, about 20 feet from shore and I used a Frquency Discriminator from shore and directed them to place a plastic rod at each of the 5 locations made with the FD.

They probed at each location and hit a smal metal object at one of the locations, 4 feet under the sand & muck bottom.

The used a Fisher under water Pulse 10 detector and got hits at each of the 5 locations.

( I have to leave now, I'll continue the story in a few hours, when I return) Dell

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Carl, you need to rename your forums appropriately to "When intellectual idiots speak". You continue to make false assumptions, without any proof, and state your own assumptions as a basis for fact. You are indeed being dishonest, mis-leading and untruthful in your scientific pretense to be able to look at a photograph and flat out say it is a bogus principle, or it can't work. It appears you are the one running a scam and advertising improbable challenges to promote your scam.

It's apparent, the FRRG, are Professional Treasure Salvors, and have some electronic knowledge. It's ridiculous for you to assume that Professionals would waste their time and money on R&D and use a method that doesn't work. Since the Remote Sensing Frequency Discrimination concept does work and is backed up by years of private DB field testing, and recoveries, it obviously works on scientific principles whether the signal is metered electronicly, or with simple hand held directional antenna rods. That is not to be mis-construed as Dowsing, as you falsely claim in your ignorance of the subject.

I returned yesterday from the Florida East coast where I conducted 2 RSFD surveys for a TH group, witnessed by 6 people at a water location where they had researched, and 3 witnesses at an unresearched land location.

I mentally dowsed and plotted the approximate target locations on Google earth aerial photos two weeks earlier. This is in the center of a Federal wildlife sanctuary with trepass warning signs everywhere so I had to be careful not to step one foot on posted government property. I had brought an inflatable dinghy for us to access the water site near the other side of the creek. From a bridge about 100 yards away I waved a Discriminating directional locator rod back and forth and it locked on targets about 70 feet from the location I had Dowsed on the Google earth photo.

Fortunately, there were some young students camping on the other side of creek and I yelled over asking how they got on the property. They said that section was private property, and we drove around to the gate and they let us search for the Gold targets for the Gold targets from their property.

I gave 2 of the Treasure Hunters plastic rods and they waded into 2-3 foot deep water, about 20 feet from shore and I used a Frquency Discriminator from shore and directed them to place a plastic rod at each of the 5 locations made with the FD.

They probed at each location and hit a smal metal object at one of the locations, 4 feet under the sand & muck bottom.

The used a Fisher under water Pulse 10 detector and got hits at each of the 5 locations.

( I have to leave now, I'll continue the story in a few hours, when I return) Dell

Wow, I can hardly wait to read the ending of this April Fool’s Day story!

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by hung

There's nothing bogus on LRLs based on resonant frequencies. Every element resonates.

$25,000 for someone who can demonstrate this.

I'm not saying that Kelly Brown faces this tough but you also cannot deliberately state that he did not recover anything yet, unless you are spying him.

I have reliable contacts who know.

- Carl

[hung]

This can be done through reflectivity and polarimetry.

I've been exchanging emails with Dr. Myron Evans and equations show such physics and technology already exists as I thought.
In the right time I'll be looking into it with the aid of two top physicists from technology institute and aeronautics to build a device backed by the math involved.
I like to have fun.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

I have reliable contacts who know.

- Carl

Wow..
Not only spying him but with undercover agents as well...

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by hung

Wow..
Not only spying him but with undercover agents as well...

No, but folks who have been personally involved with Kelly & other "professional" search groups have sent me info on their results. Usually I don't even have to ask.

Here are some photos from the FRRG site:

[Carl-NC]

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[Carl-NC]

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