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05-21-2006, 05:06 AM
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05-21-2006, 02:59 PM
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So far, I applaud the overall conduct of this forum. There have been occasional posts that have skirted the boundaries of ettiquette, but so far nothing that has provoked me to intervene. It is my opinion that LRLs based on dowsing rods are nothing but exercises in self-deception. They simply do not work. When these types of LRLs are submitted to randomized blind tests, they perform no better than guessing, even in the hands of "experienced" users. Every time. Some of the Mineoro locators, and other similar devices that have begun popping up, do not use dowsing in any way. The operational claims of these devices are not in line with known physics in several ways. I have asked repeatedly for experimental procedures that will validate the claims of these devices, but so far this has not happened. I have personally tested and dissected a PDC205... it did not work, and based on what I found inside the device, it could not possibly work according to the operational claims. I have sent several emails to Mineoro in an effort to discuss my $25,000 challenge, but they will not reply. It appears that the technical discussion has run its course. Without experiments that could demonstrate the claims of Mineoro, and without scientific tests that show the devices work, there is little else to do but argue the philosophical side. In my opinion, that is a waste of time. Hung has mentioned that Damasio will visit the US for a demonstration of the FG78. I would like very much to be at that demonstration, and I will definitely offer my $25,000 to Damasio for a randomized blind test. Then we will see for certain whether it works. - Carl
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05-21-2006, 11:09 PM
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Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.......
  Esteban now you are posting nonsences and lies here !!! I want you to show me, where exactlly you posted some technical about some LRL here on this forum ever !? List you listed here are your posts on some toys (YES! TOYS,OBSOLETE,UNUSABLE). What!? You made some minor suggests on simpliest 2Box project i ever seen so far. Absolute toy! Why don't you post some improvements on TM808!? Ha! Do you need me here to name to you all your unusable posts here, item by item on your list!? Nothing! Severeal post,posted just to fullfil your apetite to be known and to be present, nothing else! You also posted a few links to somebody's else sites and somebody's else knowledge - not yours! Where is at least ONE your post about LRL or mineoro-look-like device here or anywhere else!? With schematic,hints,tips,datas.....Ha! Where is it! You collected during last years a bunch of kid's project from some kid's newspaper and posted here like "serious" remarks or something....! Ha,ha,ha !!! I am asking YOU and OTHERS here on this funny thread, to POST HERE AT LEAST ONE..... AND I REPEAT A T L E A S T O N E schematic(i mean serious not scrap toy) on LRL subject or any simillar type of apparatus!Full project, with tech background,opinions, step by step constructing etc.etc. If you don't know how(which i am sure) than look on other threads to see how other people done here.... Instead of posting some pictures where man hanging each other,holding some very funny devices in hands and showing some suspectable items, like proving something.What!? And always you use the same matrix:"....my cousin did that, my cousin did this..... my cousin stand with this....blah,blah,blah...." I don't give a s.... about your cousin and his life. I am looking for content which suitable to name of this thread. This thread is not named "Esteban's cousin....", this thread is named "MInero" !!!! It supposed to include technical retorics,projects and schematics of mineoro and mineoro-look-like devices overall....like any other normal thread here! Instead of that you and so much like you people are anoying everybody else here by promoting some nonsences backuped with a pile of funny,stupid pictures. What!? You don't like my language!? Of course you don't!? I did'nt like your at your last post. Instead to answer me in proper manner you posted here more anoying. Also,just to let you know.I do not need your list of posts. I do keep whole forum with overall content here, on my hard disk, and keep it updated every day! At every moment i am fully awared of anything what's going on here! I do have whole forum here in front of my eyes all the time whether on line or off line.I am fully awared of all posts and schematics here at any moment, so i do know very well about you are talking even before you start it. Dell, thank you very much for reminding me! Only thanks to Carl,one and only, we do have here full overview on most of LRL scrap products,including some of yours too! Esteban again: "Also, I post of my invention (maybe) a sensitive indicator (555 as comparator)of wich I have 10 or more variations:..." Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha !!!! So you invented 555 ic !!!???? Ha,ha,ha !!!! Just go on the .net and ask for 555 manufacturer application with much examples of how to use it.......i didn't saw your name on it!? Variations of yours, are so simple and funny....what to say!?Is that all you can do!? Ha,ha,ha !!! Enough now. These were my poisoned arrows on you! Sorry! I go to far!I felt a bit pissed from your last post.I am not gonna do it again for sure!Regards to you good Esteban! P.S. Still i am waiting some schematics here......
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05-22-2006, 12:28 AM
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I just got home from the weekend, turn computer on, go to the forum and I see this 'battle' happening one more time... I really expected we all to help each other. I am sure a lot of people here discuss politely, but why there are some people who insist in bashing each other's beliefs? LRLs...
There are some who not satisified in dasagreeing about it regarding as reliable, bash who believe! We are not here for this. As Esteban said, we are here excahnge ideas and concepts with each other... Quote:
Carl it's not because you don't know the concept behind it, you might say it's not in line with knwon physics. Think... if the inventor reveals the concept, then everybody would clone one. Your satisfatory explanation may never come... Quote:
The PDC 210 was used to find a jesuit site. My partner in my team who had one long before me has found innumerous items. Do you think I will lose my time worried about scientific tests to prove wheter it works or not? OK. I am not hung.. How can I prove I'm hung? Quote:
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05-22-2006, 10:39 AM
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I am here, don't worry!
 Hung, first a big HI to you! (i hope this polite enough) "...and I see this 'battle' happening one more time... " What's wrong with the 'battle' ? Nothing.Pure democracy. "why there are some people who insist in bashing each other's beliefs?" No,not beliefs at all! Just presented claims only! I am not that free to bash your beliefs at all. I just can not stand claims here. "There are some who not satisified in dasagreeing about it regarding as reliable, bash who believe!" Well, if we agree on everything than must be something wrong with us! Why "foruming"? You are free to beleive what ever you want.Nobody could stop you that.But beware of claiming some of your beleives here. "As Esteban said, we are here excahnge ideas and concepts with each other..." Empty retorics on LRL and mineoro principles does'nt help here at all! Exchanging non-interesting pictures here too! By the way where are your ideas and concepts here!? Did i missed something!? "Think... if the inventor reveals the concept, then everybody would clone one. Your satisfatory explanation may never come..." I don't think so! Why then everybody can not clone devices like G-858, or Garrett GTI 2500 or Pulsestar II or simillar devices!? Is that hard for mineoro manufacturers to go to U S P T O and protect their patents from cloning!? Even if cloned, original alwasys stays ORIGINAL! If it is working good and true than i'll always choose original instead of clone. "..Exactly. Do you think it's important to me arguing about those things? No!!" Than what is purpose of you being here!? What are you doing here!? Who's pushing you to come here!? Just to put some nonsence claim here and go without further explanations!? Who gave you right on that!? Is'nt that real bashing!? Is'nt that a real anoyance!? "..My partner in my team who had one long before me has found innumerous items..." AGAIN!? "..my friend..", "..my cousin..", " ..my partner..","...man who died..." etc.etc. Real nice proofs! Come again with something like:"..my dead grandma..." "..OK. I am not hung.. How can I prove I'm hung?.." Who's pushing you to prove yor name!? It has nothing to do with this thread. Besides "HUNG" is just fine, like "Esteban","Robert" or something else....Ideas are important not names! "...I do wish Damasio can make it. He's about 70 and suffers from diabethes. He told me in the pas he was willing to do it. I really hope he's up to this as he know the importance of the US in this field." I wish to him a good health and more years.No body normal attack that here.Besides as i heared "Aloya Vera Gel" is very good,terapeutic for diabethes."Aloya" manufacturers and their plants are spread all over North and also South America. Easy to provide there. Nobody wants from him to risk his health and come on "heavy" trip to prove anything! But everybody wants proofs backuped with science here on this pages! "....and where carl 's $25,000 to go?..." It is not a question about only $25,000 ! It is a question about some millions here! If concept is right and backuped than no worrys.If not than millions could be stealed from naives worldvide! Hung and others, if you do not put any "material" proofs here, backuped with reallity than simply do not show here and for real "bash", with nonsences, others! Your beleifs are not in question here. Keep it for yourself, for good. Claims are in question here. Either explain and backup, or either stop anoying! This type of posts will continue so far as nonsences continue.It is quite time to stop spreading false stuff here! Me and my accessarys will be here around the clock and on every nonsence claim here we gonna answer in a proper manner.Until you beleivers change your "style" here or disapear from this pages.It is final! And if administrator decide to excomunicate name "RObert",(which is his full right), from here, than some other name will show here and continue further! It is time to clean this excell forum(best so far)from trash,rubbish and scrap for GOOD! Besides this is not an LRL forum at all!You have a bunch of LRL forums on the .net, go there! Come here only with serious and true story! THIS IS TECH FORUM! Not "mumbble-jumbble" forum. Only in the name of democracy this forum consist some LRL pages,threads....But those pages supposed to show real situation on that field.Not to advertise that kind of products also not to spread lies about it.Not to collect customers for that kind of products either. regards
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05-22-2006, 02:46 PM
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The only "technical input" you have posting is your photo with Strujas and Ivconic. "Tender taken care the baby in the hammock".
Pure democracy! Wait from your part obsolete info, for me is OK, but as I see you want to obtain infos for nothing. This I think: In the future you'll use this site for to evacuate your poisons! This is the proof you only want the info also you can't post: P.S. Still i am waiting some schematics here......
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05-22-2006, 03:26 PM
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To Ivconic and Robert. If you don't want to see the photos, don't open the thread. Only if Carl want, I'll stop it.
If you don't read with attention: Carl wrote: BTW, I like the pics you've posted. Interesting. - Carl http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...6&page=9&pp=25
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05-22-2006, 04:08 PM
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It appears that Robert has proclaimed himself dictator of Geotech forums. Hypocricisy is worn like a badge of honor among the Skeptic Cult.
I have no problem with the way Carl, wishes to run his forums or who he wishes to have participate. It's none of my business. I wish good fortune to all. Dell
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05-22-2006, 09:09 PM
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Robert:
First, all the poison you can vomit, I'm immune to all! Snakes don't scare me! Esteban now you are posting nonsences and lies here !!! I want you to show me, where exactlly you posted some technical about some LRL here on this forum ever !? And you? Or you have posted under other name, no as "Robert"? My real name is Esteban, but yours isn't Robert (you said). About lies... * * * * * * * * * List you listed here are your posts on some toys (YES! TOYS,OBSOLETE,UNUSABLE). Post your toys, and maybe I'll play with these. When I post the article in Brazilian magazine regarding "obsolete" (your word) PLL metal detector, also I think in the words of Carl in the "Reference" section of MD about non-English publications. * * * * * * * * * What!? You made some minor suggests on simpliest 2Box project i ever seen so far. The modification of this detector wit addition of one more stage and powerfull transmitter I have done. Sure no audio needed, only the microamp. And I was surprised how sensitive can be... with the correct adjust in the coils, no added or quit cap, yes added or quit turns (valid for all types of MD). Do you know this? Sometimes, obsolete germanium (as transmitter) transistor is better (in power, no in another aspects) in two boxes designs. Do you try to put an empty plug in the earphone connection for to eliminate the audio and only use the uamp in two boxes because the audio (speaker) in some two boxes models produces a type of microphonic or feedback effect? I dissambled the 808 (in 1986 or 87 - question: is an obsolete two boxes?) the part of the metal pipe for to repair. Do you have drawing the both values? I have. No in the fact to demonstrate you if you have or not drawing of the both values, yes that I work in it, dedication we said... Do you know that the best two boxes I use -and I have the handrawing schematic- is by Electrónica Aplicada of Argentine? Fet transmitter, simple instalation plastic cable coils, all in metal pipe. Receiver: fets, only two 741, separate stages by AM FI transformers? Have 5 k potentiometer correction phase in the coil, so the mechanical adjust is only a few, very few, a delicate touch in the screw? Also have handrawing by myself of MDs, with much effort! Maybe obsolete, but yes a work, a effort, no retorics. * * * * * * * * * You also posted a few links to somebody's else sites and somebody's else knowledge - not yours! If I sent links, if for to help in some aspects or clariffy. Please, send us your infos or links here. Make a effort. I understand maybe you have limitation or internet is expensive in some locations (Ivconic explain it). Send here useful info, links, etc., and I'll say thank you! * * * * * * * * * Where is at least ONE your post about LRL or mineoro-look-like device here or anywhere else!? With schematic,hints,tips,datas.....Ha! Where is it! And you? You are in the same place. If I have Mineoro's schematics, is my problem. I'll don't post here only for to demonstrate you G R A T I S! * * * * * * * * * You collected during last years a bunch of kid's project from some kid's newspaper and posted here like "serious" remarks or something....! Ha,ha,ha !!! Yes, is true and is good. Why not? Of all types. What kind of schematic do you have? What I have you don't? Do you have a list? * * * * * * * * * I am asking YOU and OTHERS here on this funny thread, to POST HERE AT LEAST ONE..... AND I REPEAT A T L E A S T O N E schematic(i mean serious not scrap toy) on LRL subject or any simillar type of apparatus!Full project, with tech background,opinions, step by step constructing etc.etc. What? How many dinars for me from your part, your industry? * * * * * * * * * If you don't know how(which i am sure) than look on other threads to see how other people done here.... Yes, send us the link of other forum in wich you "conversant" about LRL based in electronics -and his schematics was posted. Yes, I know some things, no in the level of your engineering, maybe. And know many types, but not for you! If you have of more high level, let us know. Maybe infrared, RF or ultrasonic are obsoletes! * * * * * * * * * Instead of posting some pictures where man hanging each other,holding some very funny devices in hands and showing some suspectable items, like proving something.What!? In the same direction, post here your (of another people) experiences, include the items unearthed. I can't provide another proof. With your same criteria, the photo you was posted is unreal. At this point, I can't see the item you has unearthed. With the same criteria, NASA's photos showing the USA's men on the Moon are falses. No discussion here if who are more feasible, the fact is: are the photos unreals? Shows or not the truth? Translation: If I'm not in the place, is unreal. * * * * * * * * * And always you use the same matrix:"....my cousin did that, my cousin did this..... my cousin stand with this....blah,blah,blah...." I don't give a s.... about your cousin and his life. I am looking for content which suitable to name of this thread. This thread is not named "Esteban's cousin....", this thread is named "MInero" !!!! The base of actual Mineoro are the devices has been posted by me, with much effort and money for to collect, first, and scan. If I show the pics in wich appear my cousin, is because He start in it in the trips years before me. * * * * * * * * * It supposed to include technical retorics,projects and schematics of mineoro and mineoro-look-like devices overall....like any other normal thread here! Instead of that you and so much like you people are anoying everybody else here by promoting some nonsences backuped with a pile of funny,stupid pictures. What!? You don't like my language!? Of course you don't!? I did'nt like your at your last post. Instead to answer me in proper manner you posted here more anoying. Yes, you can start providing us the projects and schematics... Every time I clariffy not in defense of Mineoro (understand?), yes in the fact that electronic LRL is reality since many years. Also I explain that two models I try at fully detects well. If you read with attention, also I explain that is some difficult to center (pinpoint) the exact point, and charged clouds produces inestability in these models. As you can see, also the Mineoro's problems was posted by me. Since the launch of these models I told Mr. Damásio that also detects copper and bronze items, not only gold (can detect from the diesel vehicle in movement, no problem). So, the fact that detect copper and bronze items was actualized in the Mineoro's brochure. The truth is the truth. Can't emit opinion about another models. I have the new 2006, but I don't try at full, for the moment is very stable. Forgot: also told Alonso that the first microcontroller version wasn't good. I was the first critic -maybe in private- of Mineoro and the inventors can confirm all it. Yes, I like your language, because this strong me. Please, send me more of your instructive poisoned language. What I can ask you in proper manner? How to detect gold via infrared rays, for example? * * * * * * * * * Also,just to let you know.I do not need your list of posts. I do keep whole forum with overall content here, on my hard disk, and keep it updated every day! At every moment i am fully awared of anything what's going on here! I do have whole forum here in front of my eyes all the time whether on line or off line.I am fully awared of all posts and schematics here at any moment, so i do know very well about you are talking even before you start it. As I see: this forum don't cover your expectations in any aspect! Many persons don't understand very well about your attacks here. So, I'm ready for to deffend Dell, Hung, Michael, Detectoman, Carl... and all another persons are "bad" and "liers" for you. With democracy. * * * * * * * * * Dell, thank you very much for reminding me! Only thanks to Carl,one and only, we do have here full overview on most of LRL scrap products,including some of yours too! Reminding? Suspect you never open all the pages created by Carl with much effort of his part. Thanks Carl! * * * * * * * * * Esteban again: "Also, I post of my invention (maybe) a sensitive indicator (555 as comparator)of wich I have 10 or more variations:..." Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha !!!! So you invented 555 ic !!!???? Ha,ha,ha !!!! Just go on the .net and ask for 555 manufacturer application with much examples of how to use it.......i didn't saw your name on it!? Variations of yours, are so simple and funny....what to say!?Is that all you can do!? Ha,ha,ha !!! Yes Esteban again: I refer about the comparator application, only found a reference in a book about 555 (very complete, in Portuguese version of 1976), no adjustable point. Don't found in datasheet of National, for example. I said variations because any sensor can used, include receiver coil as MD. No more. As you see, I was use the word "maybe"... I can do more, but what input I can expect from you? Poison, vomit? Waiting for it! * * * * * * * * * Enough now. These were my poisoned arrows on you! Sorry! I go to far!I felt a bit pissed from your last post.I am not gonna do it again for sure!Regards to you good Esteban! As I said in the starting of this message, don't scare me. Regards to you good, Robert! * * * * * * * * * P.S. Still i am waiting some schematics here...... Read the reply in another part of this thread. But if you are a good boy, maybe somebody -can be I, who knows?- post one.
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