rangertell examiner field trials

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

Hey mr. Administrator, take a look at what your 'idemotor' effect has done to me this afternoon at my brother's backyard.
It took me the total of 1 minute and 45 seconds to locate it, pinpoint it, dig it and recover it. All with the examiner.

Now seriously... Go back to read what ideomotor is. You don't have a clue what it is. Hint, start by some german sites...

Oh, almost forgot. It's a 20 centavos brazilian coin, 1970.

That's funny!

This what I meant about the amusement factor.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by hung

Hey mr. Administrator, take a look at what your 'idemotor' effect has done to me this afternoon at my brother's backyard.
It took me the total of 1 minute and 45 seconds to locate it, pinpoint it, dig it and recover it. All with the examiner.

Now seriously... Go back to read what ideomotor is. You don't have a clue what it is. Hint, start by some german sites...

Oh, almost forgot. It's a 20 centavos brazilian coin, 1970.

Awww...you've started padding threads with staged photographs like your comrade Art.

Isn't that special

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

....we have been particularly lenient towards yourself. With the number of personal insults you have directed at Carl and others on this forum, I'm surprised Carl has not banned you a long time ago. Perhaps it is the amusement factor that weighs in your favor.

Hey...
You are right about that. I like the amusement factor a lot.

From the time I learned the new hungScience where signal lines are shot and returned, and the secret gold DNA produced substance that coats gold to protect it from oxidation, I knew that Geotech would be a good place to look for amusement. And the stories I hear of great achievements from the secret team along with debunkering are enough to make me watch patiently for the next Dr. hung episode.

I guess I could sum up hung's contributions in a single image:
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[WM6]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

This what I meant about the amusement factor.

Hovever, maybe hung is right (see on his "coin finding" picture), because he has scientific HP calculator on his RT, not common Casio.

I am somewhat in doubt only because of the soil from flower pots on his brasilian coin.

[Theseus]

Wow! Your latest discussion (dissertation) in the area of the possible "halo effect" was most impressive...

Excerpt... "What we do know is that in some cases, a long-time buried metal object will give a larger than normal signal until after it is dug. Your source of information would have us believe the larger signal is caused by corroding metal ions creating a battery in the ground, with the help of water and natural acids and sulfur compounds that are rinsed into the soil when it is rainy."

....and must have taken some significant time to put together and pen.

With those kinds of resources available to you, I'm wondering if you have also had similar resources and time to devote to the rather "quiet" topic of Examiner testing?

What's been happening in that arena... now that the rains and mud are gone?

What happened with the GeoTech member who was coming to your location to try the device and run through a few tests?

Any videos up on the "special" website you were creating for the reporting of the test results?

Just kind of wondering what happened....

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Theseus

Wow! Your latest discussion (dissertation) in the area of the possible "halo effect" was most impressive...

Excerpt... "What we do know is that in some cases, a long-time buried metal object will give a larger than normal signal until after it is dug. Your source of information would have us believe the larger signal is caused by corroding metal ions creating a battery in the ground, with the help of water and natural acids and sulfur compounds that are rinsed into the soil when it is rainy."

....and must have taken some significant time to put together and pen.

With those kinds of resources available to you, I'm wondering if you have also had similar resources and time to devote to the rather "quiet" topic of Examiner testing?

What's been happening in that arena... now that the rains and mud are gone?

What happened with the GeoTech member who was coming to your location to try the device and run through a few tests?

Any videos up on the "special" website you were creating for the reporting of the test results?

Just kind of wondering what happened....

Hi Theseus,
It takes a lot less resoruces than you might imagine when I have electronic tools at hand.

I don't generally conduct the kind of tests you want to see until after I establish a base line, which I haven't been able to do yet. However, I have spent considerable time making adjustments trying to establish a baseline, and arrived at a conclusion that I must be biologically impaired. Either that, or the Examiner is damaged in a way that prevents it from functioning as intended by the designer. The amount of time that passes before testing begins is more than most people realize when considering the scheduling and preparations that must be mobilized at a test site, and do not compare to the time to make a long forum post.

I was planning to send the Examiner back to the factory to exchange it for a replacement in order to see if a fresh one makes a difference in my ability to locate treasure. This would tend to confirm that I am biologically impaired or not, and remove all doubts that there is any damage that makes the Examiner non-functional. However, with the appearance of a volunteer, I decided to wait until he is ready to try to establish a base line with the examiner. I consider this much preferable to sending the Examiner back, because the response we see from another LRL operator may be able to show if I am biologically impaired, or if the Examiner simply needs replacement.

So I will hang onto the Examiner until the volunteer has had a chance to try the Examiner and see if we can establish a base line to perform tests with.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Theseus,
It takes a lot less resoruces than you might imagine when I have electronic tools at hand.

I don't generally conduct the kind of tests you want to see until after I establish a base line, which I haven't been able to do yet. However, I have spent considerable time making adjustments trying to establish a baseline, and arrived at a conclusion that I must be biologically impaired. Either that, or the Examiner is damaged in a way that prevents it from functioning as intended by the designer. The amount of time that passes before testing begins is more than most people realize when considering the scheduling and preparations that must be mobilized at a test site, and do not compare to the time to make a long forum post.

I was planning to send the Examiner back to the factory to exchange it for a replacement in order to see if a fresh one makes a difference in my ability to locate treasure. This would tend to confirm that I am biologically impaired or not, and remove all doubts that there is any damage that makes the Examiner non-functional. However, with the appearance of a volunteer, I decided to wait until he is ready to try to establish a base line with the examiner. I consider this much preferable to sending the Examiner back, because the response we see from another LRL operator may be able to show if I am biologically impaired, or if the Examiner simply needs replacement.

So I will hang onto the Examiner until the volunteer has had a chance to try the Examiner and see if we can establish a base line to perform tests with.

Best wishes,
J_P

I thought you had definitely determined, some time ago, that you were not personally going to be able to test the device.

At present, after trying to locate known targets with the Examiner adjusted at the factory settings, and re-adjusted to different settings, I have concluded that I am a person who is biologically impaired, and cannot perform a scientific test on an Examiner even if it is tuned perfectly.

Bringing in the volunteer should prove that what you suspect is actually true. On the other hand, if the volunteer at least gets a response from the device for targets in plain sight, but fails to get accurate results on targets that are unknown to him; might you still conclude the device is damaged and have to send it back?

I'm curious at what point, a conclusion may be drawn that in fact the device simply does not live up to the advertised claims? Seems like we could be chasing our tail here.... to infinity.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Theseus

I thought you had definitely determined, some time ago, that you were not personally going to be able to test the device.

You can spend your time reading my previous posts and look for the words you need to formulate what you want to think. My conclusion is that I am biologically impaired. Any uncertainty is a matter of degree of impairment, not a question of whether the impairment exists. Until I see some evidence that I am able to find a suitable response, I will consider myself to be a poor choice as an operator of the Examiner. However, I will be conducting tests if I see a base line can be established. I suspect you are aware that I am capable of conducting tests without being the operator of the Examiner.

Originally Posted by Theseus

Bringing in the volunteer should prove that what you suspect is actually true. On the other hand, if the volunteer at least gets a response from the device for targets in plain sight, but fails to get accurate results on targets that are unknown to him; might you still conclude the device is damaged and have to send it back?

Unless I see that that this Examiner is ready to perform a number of documented tests, I plan to send it back for a replacement. I leave the conclusions to others.

Originally Posted by Ernie

I'm curious at what point, a conclusion may be drawn that in fact the device simply does not live up to the advertised claims? Seems like we could be chasing our tail here.... to infinity.

For your purposes you may be wise to draw that conclusion now. In fact, it surprises me you even have an interest in any of my activities with the Examiner after reading your previous post where you stated:
"I will consider the once bally-whoed testing of the Examiner as permanently closed, and will promise to quit "bugging" you about getting on with it".


Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by J_Player

You can spend your time reading my previous posts and look for the words you need to formulate what you want to think. My conclusion is that I am biologically impaired. Any uncertainty is a matter of degree of impairment, not a question of whether the impairment exists. Until I see some evidence that I am able to find a suitable response, I will consider myself to be a poor choice as an operator of the Examiner. However, I will be conducting tests if I see a base line can be established. I suspect you are aware that I am capable of conducting tests without being the operator of the Examiner.
Unless I see that that this Examiner is ready to perform a number of documented tests, I plan to send it back for a replacement. I leave the conclusions to others.
For your purposes you may be wise to draw that conclusion now. In fact, it surprises me you even have an interest in any of my activities with the Examiner after reading your previous post where you stated:
"I will consider the once bally-whoed testing of the Examiner as permanently closed, and will promise to quit "bugging" you about getting on with it".


Best wishes,
J_P

Well, I keep trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but perhaps I'm wasting my time, and should simply (as you recommend) revert to my earlier conclusion: I will consider the once bally-whoed testing of the Examiner as permanently closed...

...especially in light of you not coming forward with a scheduled time frame for your volunteer(?) to arrive.

incredibly sad really, when you consider we are approaching 600 postings in this thread, and the readership is no closer today, to seeing test results, than we were when the thread was started.

(Incidentally, I'm not Ernie... perhaps your ref was simply in error.)

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Theseus

(Incidentally, I'm not Ernie... perhaps your ref was simply in error.)

Yes, it was an error. Sorry.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Jim]

J_P...are you still in possession of the device, or did you send it back for a replacement?

Did this discussion get moved to a "secret" area?

Thanks, Jim

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Jim

J_P...are you still in possession of the device, or did you send it back for a replacement?

Did this discussion get moved to a "secret" area?

Thanks, Jim

I am not in posession of the device. I sent it back for a replacement. I will make a post here when the replacement arrives.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Jim]

Originally Posted by J_Player

I am not in posession of the device. I sent it back for a replacement. I will make a post here when the replacement arrives.

Best wishes,
J_P

Thank you for your reply

[hipopp]

discussion moved to secret area? No just sick of hearing about it all the time needed a break...just the outcome rangertell wanted to make us all shut up. This guy is a real sicko no doubt about it. In the meantime he has a new device equally as fraudulent and selling on Ebay. Communications with our current affairs TV programs are continuing. He will be subjected to the full weight of consumer law and public sentiment. Probably run out of the country I reckon....will keep you all informed. regards hipopp

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by hipopp

discussion moved to secret area? No just sick of hearing about it all the time needed a break...just the outcome rangertell wanted to make us all shut up. This guy is a real sicko no doubt about it. In the meantime he has a new device equally as fraudulent and selling on Ebay. Communications with our current affairs TV programs are continuing. He will be subjected to the full weight of consumer law and public sentiment. Probably run out of the country I reckon....will keep you all informed. regards hipopp

Yes, please keep us informed. It is fraud and should be prosecuted, or at the very least exposed so the consumer public can be made aware of it.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Theseus

Yes, please keep us informed. It is fraud and should be prosecuted, or at the very least exposed so the consumer public can be made aware of it.

Actually, with all the goings on over in the UK, in regards to these scam devices...now would be a good time for public awareness of these fraudulent devices

[Jim]

Another quick question for you, J_P (sorry to keep bothering you).....did your RangerTell device have a FCC ID number on it, or any FCC data contained within the owners manual that would indicate the device was approved for export into the Untied States, as per Part 15 and Federal Law?

Thanks again, Jim

[hung]

Originally Posted by Jim

Another quick question for you, J_P (sorry to keep bothering you).....did your RangerTell device have a FCC ID number on it, or any FCC data contained within the owners manual that would indicate the device was approved for export into the Untied States, as per Part 15 and Federal Law?

Thanks again, Jim

Not satisfied enough in being spanked by the facts, spanked by Art and also by some new members over TNET, this poor fella now attains to an insignificancy in one more attempt to discredit the device.

There are skeptics and obsessed skeptics suffering from mental problems.
This poor soul falls in this last category.
He is now only a sad object of our concern.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by hung

There are skeptics and obcessed skeptics suffering from mental problems.
This poor soul falls in this last category.
He is now only a sad object of our concern.

Hung, it looks like you are concerned by legal issues....
As the device is totally passive i´m sure there will be no FCC problems-except for the chinese calculator maybe

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by hung

Not satisfied enough in being spanked by the facts, spanked by Art and also by some new members over TNET, this poor fella now attains to an insignificancy in one more attempt to discredit the device.

There are skeptics and obsessed skeptics suffering from mental problems.
This poor soul falls in this last category.
He is now only a sad object of our concern.

What a laugh you are Hung. In the past few weeks, Art has proved himself to be nothing more than a mental case with some really serious psychological problems.

He adds absolutely nothing to the Forum over there and is the only participant who can boast; being placed on IGNORE by the most number of readers. He neither understands the dialog nor can render meaningful input, since he can hardly compose any type of posting that isn't filled with made up terms, misspelled words galore and grammar that is basically at the level of the severely handicapped.

I really feel very sorry for him, since his daily (or hourly) presence is such an embarrassment to him and I'm sure other LRL users and "believers".

But if Art is your poster boy for showcasing your LRL concepts and beliefs; well, all I can say is - you picked a real winner. Art needs all the help he can get so I hope you stick around to help him.

Far as spanking anyone with facts; Art wouldn't know or recognize a fact if it hit him squarely between the eyes.

Art's facts, that you speak about, consist of "staged videos (where he is trying to make people think he is finding stuff)", "Photoshopped pictures" and totally wrong crap he gathers off of Google and pastes into postings.

The poor man really needs some professional help, and if you were really his friend, you would be trying to get him convinced of that fact.

[Dell Winders]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi hipopp,
I think Dell is posting laughing faces because he thinks Carl doesn't know much about the RangerTell Examiner while Dell does. Maybe it would be good for Dell Winders to tape an interview with 60 minutes too, so he can show us a Rangertell finding hidden treasures. Maybe coins hidden in the sand. This would show once and for all that Dell knows what he is talking about.

I think you are right about Carl. He probably has more experience in dealing with electronic circuits used for metal detecting than most of the members of this forum, and can speak with authority on the topic better than the rest of us can. I think he is the only forum member who has taken apart a RangerTell Examiner, and is also willing to demonstrate it doing what it does. Do you think Dell Winders will demonstrate the RangerTell Examiner doing what it does on international TV? Or maybe hung, who claims he can locate treasures at long range with his "diode model"?

I haven't had anyone take me up on my offer to make a videotape of them demonstrating their LRL recovering treasure live yet, and post a free professional website showing their demonstration along with videos linked to all the major treasure hunting forums. So maybe a "60 Minutes" interview with Geotech forum members is RangerTell's chance to get the much needed publicity to promote the RangerTell Examiner by showing what it is and what it can do worldwide.

Best wishes,
J_P

I don't visit this site much any more, so I apologize for not making a reply to my name sooner.

I have never seen, tested , or used a RT examiner. I know nothing about it, so I am not qualified to comment on it. Carl, has more experience with the Ranger Tell, than I do. Your attempted interpretation of the laughing faces is totally inaccurate.

I don't have the ability to look at a photo and determine if a product works or not, or how it works, as some pretend to be able to do. I don't accept Carl's Duck criterion for evaluating an LRL, as credible.

It will be awhile before I visit here again, so I won't be responding to any reply Dell

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

I don't visit this site much any more, so ....

Why Dell? I can only explain that you must found a huge treasure?

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

I have never seen, tested , or used a RT examiner. I know nothing about it, so I am not qualified to comment on it.

So what was the point of this random post?

[Jim]

Originally Posted by hung

Not satisfied enough in being spanked by the facts, spanked by Art and also by some new members over TNET, this poor fella now attains to an insignificancy in one more attempt to discredit the device.

There are skeptics and obsessed skeptics suffering from mental problems.
This poor soul falls in this last category.
He is now only a sad object of our concern.

I believe my question was directed to J_P.

No need to get worked up into a lather, just because you yourself spent hundreds of dollars for a calculator

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

Not satisfied enough in being spanked by the facts, spanked by Art and also by some new members over TNET, this poor fella now attains to an insignificancy in one more attempt to discredit the device.

There are skeptics and obsessed skeptics suffering from mental problems.
This poor soul falls in this last category.
He is now only a sad object of our concern.

Still busy flogging a dead horse?