rangertell examiner field trials

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

They compliment my intelligence.... Dell

Apparently "this" Sam and Carl are miracle workers, since complimenting intelligence where none exists would indeed be a really neat trick.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

It's the stupidest excuse for failure that I've heard.

I agree, Dell, but it's the one Mr. Blanes keeps citing as to why I couldn't make his Ranger-Tell work.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

It's the stupidest excuse for failure that I've heard. You the W.I.S. man, Qiaozhi.

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

I agree, Dell, but it's the one Mr. Blanes keeps citing as to why I couldn't make his Ranger-Tell work.

Blimey! For once we all agree with Dell.

[J_Player]

I received the Rangertell Examiner package from Australia and opened it last night. I was hoping to start field testing today, but after reading the manuals on CD, I realised it will take some time to digest all that is written in the instructions. It may be a few days before I am ready to try it out on targets.

As you can see in the photos below, there are only two items in the box. The Rangertell Examiner, and a CD with instruction manuals, both taped to the bottom of the box. Everything arrived in good condition, and the calculator seems to perform calculator functions fine. I can answer questions here that anyone wants to ask, and next week I should have my web page up for the Examiner testing. The web page should have a lot more detailed information. I will be taking questions posted in the Geotech remote sensing forum to add to the FAQ section of the website. I will also be looking at suggestions for tests to run that are posted in the Geotech forum.

The tests that I perform will eventually be published on my web page along with some public events where people will be able to watch others using the Rangertell Examiner T-G, and trying it out for themselves.
I plan on publishing the results of my own tests last, after everyone else has had a chance to try out the Examiner with their own tests to see how well they can get it to work. If you will be in the Los Angeles area in the near future, be sure to contact me by PM and make arrangements to try it out. We will also be holding a few events in areas such as the California desert, Arizona or Nevada, if you can come to those areas. All the field testing will be done in open areas away from trash and power lines. We would like to also test in some mineralised areas with the hope of recovering some gold or other metal or mineral items.

It may take some time to get the test program rolling. The delay at the moment is because I have only a limited amount of time to come up to speed on the Rangertell instructions before I am ready to begin the field testing. The CD with instructions contains a 2-part instruction manual with a whole lot of pages and notes attached. And there are a lot of additional addendum instructions on the CD too. It looks like it will take a few days just to read the instructions and figure out how to properly calibrate the Examiner. I also need to finish coding the web page, and it all takes time.

But for now, feel free to ask any questions you want here.

There is only one rule for questions here...
Do not post Rangertell calculator key codes here. If you have key codes that came from the Rangertell factory publications, they are proprietary and should not be made public. You can discuss these only in a private message. But if you want to talk about key codes that did not come from the Rangertell factory, such as your own sequence, then you can post it here in the forum or in a PM.

P.S.
Unless I have written permission from the Rangertell factory, I will not open the Rangertell Examiner. Don't even ask. This is a test unit on loan, that must be returned when I am done testing it. I wouldn't want to break anything while opening it, and then end up having to buy it after I know it is broken.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Alexismex]

The calculator it is Casio FX 300Ms, you have a nice program to match and find photo in internet:
http://www.tineye.com/
I will think J.P have a lot of time to loose with this piece of craps CD and Ranger!!!!

[Theseus]

Since dowsing (and the ideomotor effect) is not supposed to be part of what causes the Examiner to "work"; I hope you will test the unit with the handle clamped in some type of holding device, and with the unit level and with the proper key codes plugged in - bring the proper target close to the antenna so we can see the antenna (device) swing around and point towards the target you are holding, or placing in proximity to the Examiner.

Thanks, J_P, you are doing us all (and the world) a great service.

[Fred]

This is funny i have bougt exactly the same calculator a few days ago in a chinese store, (except that it is not witten "scientific calculator" on it).The price was 4.50€
The calculator is very accurate...

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Theseus

Since dowsing (and the ideomotor effect) is not supposed to be part of what causes the Examiner to "work"; I hope you will test the unit with the handle clamped in some type of holding device, and with the unit level and with the proper key codes plugged in - bring the proper target close to the antenna so we can see the antenna (device) swing around and point towards the target you are holding, or placing in proximity to the Examiner.

Thanks, J_P, you are doing us all (and the world) a great service.

Hi Theseus,
I will put your requst in the repository of tests to make in the field.

I have seen a video of this test done on the Rangertell site some years ago, where the Examiner was clamped to the end of a metal pipe about 6 feet long that was held by an operator. The video showe the Examiner pointing to treasure as it was moved past the target. We can repeat that test as well as some others. One item of interest is I thought the operator needed to be holding the handle with his right hand in order to complete a capacitive coupling to ground. Maybe the clamped pipe acts as a conductor to the operator's right hand to keep this circuit alive. I will have to check that video again to see the details of how the pipe is connected at the ends and to see which hand(s) the operator is holding the pipe.

I have some very accurate instruments that can be used to check the leveling of the rangertell with the horizon, but it may be easier to calibrate a small non-metallic level bubble on top that an observer can watch to warn the operator if he is holding the Examiner tilted to one side or another.

I believe the Examiner is supposed to swing at a very slight incline upward against the force of gravity when passing a target. I'm not sure of this, but I will do some more reading to find out. This could make a more definite test if we can have the Examiner tilted down a few degrees to the front.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Theseus,
I will put your requst in the repository of tests to make in the field.

I have seen a video of this test done on the Rangertell site some years ago, where the Examiner was clamped to the end of a metal pipe about 6 feet long that was held by an operator. The video showe the Examiner pointing to treasure as it was moved past the target. We can repeat that test as well as some others. One item of interest is I thought the operator needed to be holding the handle with his right hand in order to complete a capacitive coupling to ground. Maybe the clamped pipe acts as a conductor to the operator's right hand to keep this circuit alive. I will have to check that video again to see the details of how the pipe is connected at the ends and to see which hand(s) the operator is holding the pipe.

I have some very accurate instruments that can be used to check the leveling of the rangertell with the horizon, but it may be easier to calibrate a small non-metallic level bubble on top that an observer can watch to warn the operator if he is holding the Examiner tilted to one side or another.

I believe the Examiner is supposed to swing at a very slight incline upward against the force of gravity when passing a target. I'm not sure of this, but I will do some more reading to find out. This could make a more definite test if we can have the Examiner tilted down a few degrees to the front.

Best wishes,
J_P

If the Examiner is clamped to a length of pipe and then the operator holds onto the other end of the pipe, this would not negate an ideomotor response, and hence would just be another dowsing contraption, complete with the same problems and errors.

To eliminate the possibility of an ideomotor response, the handle of the Examiner will need to be held in a fixture much like a camera tripod. If there is a requirement that a human must be electrically connected to it, then run a wire from the handle (or metal tripod) to the fingers of the operator. But in no other way can the operator touch the tripod.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Theseus

If the Examiner is clamped to a length of pipe and then the operator holds onto the other end of the pipe, this would not negate an ideomotor response, and hence would just be another dowsing contraption, complete with the same problems and errors.

To eliminate the possibility of an ideomotor response, the handle of the Examiner will need to be held in a fixture much like a camera tripod. If there is a requirement that a human must be electrically connected to it, then run a wire from the handle (or metal tripod) to the fingers of the operator. But in no other way can the operator touch the tripod.

Hmmm...
That might work if the tripod is insulated. Otherwise it would short direct to ground. I thought the video from the Rangertell site did show some sort of fixture to keep from tilting the Examiner while it was swept back and forth. I need to see if I can find those videos.

Maybe an easier test would be to hold the Examiner against a non-metallic insulated tripod while moving a gold target past it on a string like from a fishing pole.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hmmm...

Maybe an easier test would be to hold the Examiner against a non-metallic insulated tripod while moving a gold target past it on a string like from a fishing pole.

J_P

J_P, maybe you need to upgrade to graphical calculator for your continent.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hmmm...
That might work if the tripod is insulated. Otherwise it would short direct to ground. I thought the video from the Rangertell site did show some sort of fixture to keep from tilting the Examiner while it was swept back and forth. I need to see if I can find those videos.

Maybe an easier test would be to hold the Examiner against a non-metallic insulated tripod while moving a gold target past it on a string like from a fishing pole.

Best wishes,
J_P

Well... whatever, but obviously all tilting and/or movement from the operator must be eliminated if the ideomotor effect is to be eliminated from the overall equation. Once that is done, then it is up to the key code and the internal circuitry to move the antenna towards the target. Period!

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by WM6

J_P, maybe you need to upgrade to graphical calculator for your continent.

I have a Casio fx-300ES which seems to have all the same keys plus a solar power panel. This calculator has been certified to produce very accurate calculations in North America. When it was manufactured in China, the parent company from Tokyo apparently had the foresight to install brighter coloured keys and an English instruction manual. I am not sure the electronics inside are identical to the calculator on the Examiner, but I am guessing they are. After all, math works the same in most languages as far as I know.

But I will never know for sure, because the Casio fx-300ES won't fit in the holster for the calculator on the Examiner.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Theseus

Well... whatever, but obviously all tilting and/or movement from the operator must be eliminated if the ideomotor effect is to be eliminated from the overall equation. Once that is done, then it is up to the key code and the internal circuitry to move the antenna towards the target. Period!

Hi Theseus,
Your objective should not be hard to accomplish. The problem with clamps and vices is they cause a short circuit to ground from the handle, thus bypassing the circuit through the body of the user. It shouldn't be too hard to rig up an insulated non-metallic bracket that the user can brace his hand against so it cannot move. Then a second person can walk past with a chunk of gold while we watch to see if the antenna tracks as usual.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Theseus,
.... Then a second person can walk past with a chunk of gold while we watch to see if the antenna tracks as usual.

Best wishes,
J_P

..... as usual, or as advertised and expected?

[Mike(Mont)]

Being the recovering skeptic that I am, I have to wonder why there is no word on the Ranger Tell locator. I'm not even certain the rod was shipped to California, but assuming it was, I suspect it was then shipped to Marshalltown, Iowa.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

Being the recovering skeptic that I am, I have to wonder why there is no word on the Ranger Tell locator. I'm not even certain the rod was shipped to California, but assuming it was, I suspect it was then shipped to Marshalltown, Iowa.

...recovering skeptic...???? What on this green earth would you be skeptical about?

Judging from your input here, it appears you constantly jump from one obscure pseudo-scientific contraption or theory to the next; depending on which occult library book you've just browsed.

If Christopher Hills were alive today, I'm sure he'd be most appreciative of all your support and backing. However, in his absence, no doubt his heirs, who run the business and publish the esoteric musings for people like yourself, are grinning all the way to the bank (with your contributions).

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

Being the recovering skeptic that I am,

Nice Mike, which software do you use to recover?

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

Being the recovering skeptic that I am, I have to wonder why there is no word on the Ranger Tell locator. I'm not even certain the rod was shipped to California, but assuming it was, I suspect it was then shipped to Marshalltown, Iowa.

Hi Mike(Mont),
The examiner was not shipped to Iowa. I am in the Los Angeles area, not Iowa. There is no word on the Examiner bcause I have not done any testing on it yet. It has been raining here on and off for the past week, and I can't do any real field testing until the rainy spell stops. The first thing I will be doing is a calibration of the tester to make sure it is functioning properly. I know it will need some fine tuning because of the intermittent operation I observed so far. So far the fine tuning has been difficult. After I am sure it is calibrated to me or whoever else is using it, then the field testing will begin. While the Rangertell instructions don't mention anything about the weather, I suspect it will be easier to get a good adjustment when the air is dry and the ground is not muddy.

At present, I am preparing a web page to keep tract of progress, which will be made public when I am ready to start the first of the field tests. I will make another update after the ground is no longer muddy and no rain in the forecast.

I am also looking for any people in the Los Angeles area who are interested in helping with the testing of the Rangertell Examiner. If anyone would like to try it out or help conduct some tests, send me a PM so we can make arrangements.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Mike(Mont),
The examiner was not shipped to Iowa. I am in the Los Angeles area, not Iowa. There is no word on the Examiner bcause I have not done any testing on it yet. It has been raining here on and off for the past week, and I can't do any real field testing until the rainy spell stops. The first thing I will be doing is a calibration of the tester to make sure it is functioning properly. I know it will need some fine tuning because of the intermittent operation I observed so far. So far the fine tuning has been difficult. After I am sure it is calibrated to me or whoever else is using it, then the field testing will begin. While the Rangertell instructions don't mention anything about the weather, I suspect it will be easier to get a good adjustment when the air is dry and the ground is not muddy.

At present, I am preparing a web page to keep tract of progress, which will be made public when I am ready to start the first of the field tests. I will make another update after the ground is no longer muddy and no rain in the forecast.

I am also looking for any people in the Los Angeles area who are interested in helping with the testing of the Rangertell Examiner. If anyone would like to try it out or help conduct some tests, send me a PM so we can make arrangements.

Best wishes,
J_P

Too bad Mike couldn't come down to your area. That way he could get some of the results firsthand, and he wouldn't have to speculate and skepticize(*) how the testing is being conducted, and in what State of the Union.

* skepticize is a word I made up

I'm still wondering why Mike thought the unit would be shipped to Iowa; wasn't the Deliver To Address clear?

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Theseus

Too bad Mike couldn't come down to your area. That way he could get some of the results firsthand, and he wouldn't have to speculate and skepticize(*) how the testing is being conducted, and in what State of the Union.

* skepticize is a word I made up

I'm still wondering why Mike thought the unit would be shipped to Iowa; wasn't the Deliver To Address clear?

Hi Theseus,
Mike(Mont) can come here if he wants. Simply send me a PM so I can make arrangements to take the Examiner in the field for all the testing he wants to do. I would suggest he or anyone else who wants to try it out waits a bit until the mud dries.

"Skepticize" sounds like a good word. Kind of like "debunker", but not as funny-sounding. You are correct - if Mike(Mont) comes to try out the Examiner for himself he will have no cause to skepticize because he will have a chance to perform any testing he wants to his own standards. I actually think we would see different test results from Mike(Mont) than from other users who test the Rangertell Examiner.

But even if he does not come to personally test the Examiner, I doubt we will hear much skepticization, considering he does breathing exercises to make his mind still, as a recovering skeptic. I suspect he has already curbed the temptation for skepticization many times by meditating instead of posting.

Best wishes,
J_P

[hipopp]

i'll send you over my wheelbarrow J>P so you can wheel the "Treasure" past the aerial and get a fix. sorry i can't come over personally to carry all the loot around for you. You are doing a good service here to publish results once and for all but it sounds like you have to follow the manufacturers guidelines to achieve a result. Such as poke the found treaure under the nose of the rangertell so it can find it again. i wasted 300 hours on field tests and came to the conclusion i had been massively duped into buying a cheap calculator and aerial that can only find things after they were already found and even then i could switch the thing on and off with my mind...so it is all about muscle activity and nothing to do with the ability of the device to find anything at all. Final!!!! best of luck.

[hipopp]

what i mean is...get some gold or whatever...put it on the ground in front of you...do whatever it takes using whoever's directions to get a fix on the object, this will be easy, the aerial will lock on the target because you "want it to". Then repeat the process telling yourself the gold is not there and the aerial will not lock onto anything. No more needed to do other than that to prove the rangertell examiner is a complete dud. I know you americans do things in a big way but digging up the whole of the Rocky Mountains chasing false signals is a bit over the top. You can do these tests in your own home in five minutes and not even have to go outdoors into the wild. I found the most stressful test to be on the beach. I had some coins buried blind in the sand and the beach being so big i nearly lost them (the coins) because the Rangertell could not find anything because i did not know where they were buried. It was pure luck that i found the exact location of my buried precious two dollars fifty in coin by running my fingers through the sand.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hipopp

i'll send you over my wheelbarrow J>P so you can wheel the "Treasure" past the aerial and get a fix. sorry i can't come over personally to carry all the loot around for you. You are doing a good service here to publish results once and for all but it sounds like you have to follow the manufacturers guidelines to achieve a result. Such as poke the found treaure under the nose of the rangertell so it can find it again. i wasted 300 hours on field tests and came to the conclusion i had been massively duped into buying a cheap calculator and aerial that can only find things after they were already found and even then i could switch the thing on and off with my mind...so it is all about muscle activity and nothing to do with the ability of the device to find anything at all. Final!!!! best of luck.

Originally Posted by hipopp

what i mean is...get some gold or whatever...put it on the ground in front of you...do whatever it takes using whoever's directions to get a fix on the object, this will be easy, the aerial will lock on the target because you "want it to". Then repeat the process telling yourself the gold is not there and the aerial will not lock onto anything. No more needed to do other than that to prove the rangertell examiner is a complete dud. I know you americans do things in a big way but digging up the whole of the Rocky Mountains chasing false signals is a bit over the top. You can do these tests in your own home in five minutes and not even have to go outdoors into the wild. I found the most stressful test to be on the beach. I had some coins buried blind in the sand and the beach being so big i nearly lost them (the coins) because the Rangertell could not find anything because i did not know where they were buried. It was pure luck that i found the exact location of my buried precious two dollars fifty in coin by running my fingers through the sand.

There must be many more people who were also duped by this useless contraption, but they are just too embarrassed to admit it.

Thanks hippop for having the courage to pass on your firsthand experience.

Now we just need to wait for RangerTell, Hung, Dell, etc., to tell you that you either have a faulty unit (seems to be a lot of these around) , you're left-handed, not concentrating / meditating / breathing properly, there is interference from micro-gold, or a multitude of other excuses.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by hipopp

what i mean is...get some gold or whatever...put it on the ground in front of you...do whatever it takes using whoever's directions to get a fix on the object, this will be easy, the aerial will lock on the target because you "want it to". Then repeat the process telling yourself the gold is not there and the aerial will not lock onto anything. No more needed to do other than that to prove the rangertell examiner is a complete dud. I know you americans do things in a big way but digging up the whole of the Rocky Mountains chasing false signals is a bit over the top. You can do these tests in your own home in five minutes and not even have to go outdoors into the wild. I found the most stressful test to be on the beach. I had some coins buried blind in the sand and the beach being so big i nearly lost them (the coins) because the Rangertell could not find anything because i did not know where they were buried. It was pure luck that i found the exact location of my buried precious two dollars fifty in coin by running my fingers through the sand.

It is truly unfortunate that you actually had to invest your cash in the Examiner to learn that it was nothing but an ideomotor-driven hoax. However, your honest reporting is admirable and "may" even help others who might've been duped by the advertising and false claims (real or implied). I say may, because even though the truth about these scams has been published many times over; there will still be a few that will not get the message or will not believe the truth.

Those poor souls will learn the hard way that all the Ranger-Tell, Dell Winders, Tim Williams, Mike Healey, Bob Fitzgerald, Russ Simmons, Fred Stewart and others pushing similar scams - are cashing in on the natural greed and technically misinformed. This targeted market are generally the more "gullible" and technically-challenged, and/or have more money than smarts and don't care if they throw away their cash. They may be small in number, but it only takes a very few sales at between $500 and $5000 a sale, to keep an LRL scam artist in business.

Bottom line is; these LRL contraptions only find treasure once - when the sucker hands his cash over to the scam artist salesman. After that, the sucker may as well use a bent coat hanger, or random digging; they'll find just as much treasure.