Ivconic's Negative Ion Detector circuit

[humhum]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Can you post an image from the GPR?

For view or image with GPR , I will need go to treasure , but law is strong , can after few time.


Regards.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by humhum

For view or image with GPR , I will need go to treasure , but law is strong , can after few time.


Regards.

OK - I'll look forward to seeing the images. Try not to get arrested in the process.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Geo

The problem of sceptics is that they never saw a man to locate objects from big distance and to take it out without the help of any metal detector....

Exactly!
And nobody ever will see anyone locate objects from long distance and to take it out without the help of any metal detecor...


Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Exactly!
And nobody ever will see anyone locate objects from long distance and to take it out without the help of any metal detecor...


Best wishes,
J_P

For another time you don't know what you write

Regards

[sakis1]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Exactly!
And nobody ever will see anyone locate objects from long distance and to take it out without the help of any metal detecor...


Best wishes,
J_P

My friend is wrong thinking about what,

[storm1]

J_Player , you are 100% correct when you say ...
And nobody ever will see anyone locate objects from long distance and to take it out without the help of any metal detecor.....
You know why????
Because nobady can pinpoint the center of the loot in a range of couple square meters.
But, also , nobady with a metal detector can search an area of few thousand square meters.
You don't use lrls to find coins in the beach.

Regards

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Exactly!
And nobody ever will see anyone locate objects from long distance and to take it out without the help of any metal detecor...


Best wishes,
J_P

hi J_P, how is it going?
I am always using a metal detector as a help but believe me that it was many times that me together whith two friends discovered in swallow depth treasure maps inside small objects.Over here the treasure hunters call them colaouzo.
About always it was copper or bronze covered in natural wax so to prevent the damage moisture could do through time.
We found them by dowsing but most of the times and before digging we used to walk around the place in few meters distance looking for signs.So, allthough we had spotted the exact place to dig we had the option of an extra confirmation of the possible target.
I remember a few times that it was a single rock in the place whith a small sign on it and just above the ground.At the same time the dowsing indication was there as well before the sign if you know what I mean. So what was the need of a metal detector.
You just dig and see what comes up.
Of course it is quite impossible to unearth a big treasure this way because they put them deeper but ussually small objects are just only a few inches deep.
An another thing that I wanted to say is that by dowsing it is easy to exact pinpoint a small target and it is even easier when this target is a bronze one.
When we have a big one it is more wise to walk arround it doing circles and see using the triangulation method where all of the signal lines cross.
There are many other ways of spotting the exact place of the target but I do not want to go into that now.
look for example at the following photo



You can see clearly at the right bottom side a very small round sign verifying the existence of the object we found just bellow it in the ground.
It was an old copper oil lamp which had a map inside it from the period of the Turksish occupation.The lid of the lamp was all covered whith wax protecting the paper inside it but the object had some nice patina.
In this case there was no need to use a detector. We knew by looking at the spot that nobody touched it because everything was in place.
Apart from all these I am one of those treasure hunters that I don't trust the detectors when it comes to gold. They are good whith silver and copper but not whith gold.Their detecting capabillity falls dramatically and this is the reason that gold is so difficult to discover.
There you need other instruments to do the job
Regards
g-sani

[g-sani]

I also know many people arround that they dig straight away no matter if their detector is silent to a place they had an indication for gold using rods.
You know why?
Because it happened to have some bad experience in the past.They left the gold behind them for somebody else to find.
It very rare to verify this but yes it is happening and proved from time to time.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by g-sani

hi J_P, how is it going?
I am always using a metal detector as a help but believe me that it was many times that me together whith two friends discovered in swallow depth treasure maps inside small objects.Over here the treasure hunters call them colaouzo.
About always it was copper or bronze covered in natural wax so to prevent the damage moisture could do through time.
We found them by dowsing but most of the times and before digging we used to walk around the place in few meters distance looking for signs.So, allthough we had spotted the exact place to dig we had the option of an extra confirmation of the possible target.
I remember a few times that it was a single rock in the place whith a small sign on it and just above the ground.At the same time the dowsing indication was there as well before the sign if you know what I mean. So what was the need of a metal detector.
You just dig and see what comes up.
Of course it is quite impossible to unearth a big treasure this way because they put them deeper but ussually small objects are just only a few inches deep.
An another thing that I wanted to say is that by dowsing it is easy to exact pinpoint a small target and it is even easier when this target is a bronze one.
When we have a big one it is more wise to walk arround it doing circles and see using the triangulation method where all of the signal lines cross.
There are many other ways of spotting the exact place of the target but I do not want to go into that now.
look for example at the following photo



You can see clearly at the right bottom side a very small round sign verifying the existence of the object we found just bellow it in the ground.
It was an old copper oil lamp which had a map inside it from the period of the Turksish occupation.The lid of the lamp was all covered whith wax protecting the paper inside it but the object had some nice patina.
In this case there was no need to use a detector. We knew by looking at the spot that nobody touched it because everything was in place.
Apart from all these I am one of those treasure hunters that I don't trust the detectors when it comes to gold. They are good whith silver and copper but not whith gold.Their detecting capabillity falls dramatically and this is the reason that gold is so difficult to discover.
There you need other instruments to do the job
Regards
g-sani

Hi g-sani,
I believe you.

I know that dowsers find many treasures with no metal detector, and they find treasure maps that show where to find more treasures.
Even users of LRLs can find buried treasures from long distances without using metal detectors.
I do not say this is not true.

What I say is nobody ever will see anyone locate objects from long distance and to take it out without the help of a metal detector.
We will not see these people make the recoveries because these recoveries can only be made when there is no skeptical witness watching.
These recoveries with no metal detector are not possible to make unless the LRL believers and dowsing believers are making the detection alone, with no skeptical watchers.
If the dowser or LRL user asks a skeptic to hide a treasure and then watch them recover the hidden treasure, then the LRL or dowsing rod will not locate the treasure unless they also use a metal detector.

You see my photo above when I used my LRL to locate a gold ring from 1/2 mile... And you see my metal detector too ..!
I also located many other treasures when there was no metal detector, but I cannot show any skeptics proof when they are watching.
This is the reason why you see the photo only when I was using the metal detector.

I really believe you have great success to find buried treasure maps and treasures with only dowsing, same as LRL users have great success to find buried treasures too.
... But we will never see anyone make these recoveries without the help of a metal detector.


Best Wishes,
J_P

[g-sani]

I know physical dowsers that can easily locate targets in front of skeptics but they don't bother going to competitions and things like that.
To tell you the truth I got a friend which is good in a way you won't believe it and I encouraged him many times to travel together over to America to demonstrate his ability infront of skeptics like Randi and take the price of course but he didn't want to do it.
I also know that they are many that can do it infront of an audience but may be deeply in their heart they don't want other people to know and whenever they see 'no believers' arround they don't show their act in general.
When you discover a treasure and you are in a company of three or four persons everybody is going to take his share afterwards and this is how it should be.
A dowser won't help finding a treasure and give money to a partner that he is not believing in what he is doing.
No, I wouldn't do it myself and I believe that this is fair.
In the same way there are many people arround us that they don't believe in finding a treasure and this is nothing compared to what they believe about dowsing. Some of them even if they just listen to you talking about it they become ironic and upset.

Of course it is anybody right to believe what he wants but would it be nice to see a person like that becoming rich because he found a treasure?
No,
Especially when this person just happened to be there by chance in the right time and place whith others. And imagine that these treasure hunters have spend much time and effort to discover it and they were dowsing believers as well.
No it is not fair
Regards

[WM6]

Originally Posted by g-sani

I encouraged him many times to travel together over to America to demonstrate his ability infront of skeptics like Randi and take the price of course but he didn't want to do it.

Of course he didn't want, cause he know very well that this would be end of one more "famous magician".

It is more convenient to stay safe in local circle of his naive believers.

Old excuses and old tale stories, dear g-sani.

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by WM6

Of course he didn't want, cause he know very well that this would be end of one more "famous magician".

It is more convenient to stay safe in local circle of his naive believers.

Old excuses and old tale stories, dear g-sani.

The only way you could change your mind or your attitude about dowsing is to see it happening whith your own eyes.
Regarding this I cannot tell you if it is going to be now for you, next decade or never.I suppose it is destiny and it is different from person to person.
The only thing I can assure you is that you have to be open minded before anything else.
There are people so blind that the information received from their eyes never passed from their brain.
Regards
g-sani

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by g-sani

The only way you could change your mind or your attitude about dowsing is to see it happening whith your own eyes.
Regarding this I cannot tell you if it is going to be now for you, next decade or never.I suppose it is destiny and it is different from person to person.
The only thing I can assure you is that you have to be open minded before anything else.
There are people so blind that the information received from their eyes never passed from their brain.
Regards
g-sani

I wouldn't have put it so bluntly as WM6 did, but in principle I have to agree with his reply.
You should read up on the "ideomotor effect" before blindly believing the "information received from [your] eyes".

[matrix]

Hello forum
first let to say excuse me because of my anemic English.
i made ivconics circuit. it work properly. for example it detect the static charge of a comb from a distance of 1meter, electrical noises such fluorescent lamps coil from 3meters , and high voltage power lines from a kilometer or two.
I want attach images of that here but i dont know how can do it. may be limited because i am new user.
best wishes

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by matrix

Hello forum
first let to say excuse me because of my anemic English.
i made ivconics circuit. it work properly. for example it detect the static charge of a comb from a distance of 1meter, electrical noises such fluorescent lamps coil from 3meters , and high voltage power lines from a kilometer or two.
I want attach images of that here but i dont know how can do it. may be limited because i am new user.
best wishes

You can post your pictures here when you type in the text for your post.
See diagram below to find "manage attachments".

You should reduce the size of your photos before you upload so they will fit on a computer screen.
Size 1000 x 800 is good, or other size smaller


Best Wishes,
J_P

[matrix]

understand, thank you j-p for learning. you must be a good teacher.
i am sorry . smaller than these was impossible

[Dell Winders]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

I wouldn't have put it so bluntly as WM6 did, but in principle I have to agree with his reply.
You should read up on the "ideomotor effect" before blindly believing the "information received from [your] eyes".

Hello! Anybody home in there? Dowsing is; A trained Ideomotor response. Dell

[Geo]

Hi matrix.
Can you attach a photo from front side????

[Dedevil]

I find two meters is better. 1st meter shows JP's just full of BS and 2nd shows degree of BS according to hair loss.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by matrix

understand, thank you j-p for learning. you must be a good teacher.
i am sorry . smaller than these was impossible

The size photos you posted are a good size.
This fits well on most computer screens.

You built probably the best electric charge detector that can be found in this forum.
It was originally designed in Croatia by Ivconic.
In what part of the world do you use this detector?


Best Wishes,
J_P

[Dedevil]

Originally Posted by J_Player

The size photos you posted are a good size.
This fits well on most computer screens.

You built probably the best electric charge detector that can be found in this forum.
It was originally designed in Croatia by Ivconic.
In what part of the world do you use this detector?


Best Wishes,
J_P

Is this the best LRL? Or is JP just turning this into another Geotech1 amature electronics forum. If it is so gooood show your results.
My LRL field trip resulted in a constant 0.5 - 1.5 ounces of gold a day.

Lets all hold JP's hand with his doll in the other and see the actual results.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Dedevil

Is this the best LRL? Or is JP just turning this into another Geotech1 amature electronics forum. If it is so gooood show your results.
My LRL field trip resulted in a constant 0.5 - 1.5 ounces of gold a day.

Lets all hold JP's hand with his doll in the other and see the actual results.

No it's not an LRL at all.
It's an electric charge detector.
Instead of your misquote of "best LRL", scroll up and read what I actually posted :

"You built probably the best electric charge detector that can be found in this forum".
The reason it is probably the best electric charge detector in this forum is because it is the only differential op amp version,
and it is the only charge detector here which had the dish voltage tested and calibrated for the best charge detection.

If you are interested in test results, read the results matrix posted: http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...&postcount=214
Or read what Ivconic posted after he designed it, built it, and tested it:
"I was tested ion detector and it is detecting my "home made" ions for real!
Airborne ions...maybe.
Burried gold and relics....NOT!
Why?
I guess cose burried stuff do not produce ions at all, or at least, not at wanted quantity!
http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...9&postcount=71


Best Wishes,
J_P

[Funfinder]

What J_P and Ivconic are telling is absolutly correct.


High voltage static / ionic / charge / EM-intensity field - detectors
don't works for buried objects, at least not in the usual configuration.

At minimum those need to be highly directional selective (multi-segment) and sensitive
for detecting the difference but if this works is still extremly doubtful
because even a change of some centimeters concerning the distance from ground to detector - antenna will create already a huge change in static field.

It may work on a site like a mountain that contains extremly nonmineralic rock but for shure not on wet soil, earth or sand!


In 2010 some people of the geotech LRLs forum have me wrong
advice so I built 2 of such detectors and the second one is extremly sensitive because it uses the bodys capacitance and ground-contact by a direct electrode-to-finger connection but so far no real use for metal-detection.

Perhaps such devices need an automatic static charge balance circuit, comparable with GEB, done by a highspeed chip, so those really can find out if their's somewhere a static field on a small place that has enough power-difference compared to the surrounding area.

However, it must be clear that such a detection-method would be not
long range but only working if a person walks directly over such areas.

[matrix]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi matrix.
Can you attach a photo from front side????

teflon bush is replaced by radiology plastic slide

[matrix]

Hi all, I finished it last month. but This device as j_player said detects just ions with enough amount of charge (voltage), Not buried metal objects(YET),

Originally Posted by J_Player

...
In what part of the world do you use this detector?


J_P

I am Iranian my friend
best wishes
matrix