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I'll repeat the question in case you missed it last time: If you believe your device is not "working" by unconscious movements of the hand, then how do you believe it works? What happens if you clamp the device in an upright position and move the gold ring near the end? Does it swivel to face the target? 
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08-17-2010, 03:32 PM
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Let's put it this way... If gaucho1961 happens to find what one or some of the map dowsers sensed there, what would be the science behind it? Quote:
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08-17-2010, 04:32 PM
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Map dowsing have been invented by a famous monk ABBE MERMET. This priest was able to find gold, silver, poeple etc.. only with pendulum by DOWSING or with map location . That was Pure Dowsing. All have been prouved on his different book's. ( authentified by local autorities )  So before talking Read first.
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08-17-2010, 04:48 PM
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Dear administrator , Do you remenber this Skeptic Member who was Call MAX ? You know Max the famous CLOWN of Geotech always ready to joke and send Nakked girl on post ? Always ready to send silly picture ( that is your words ) and for Max The clown you was not so relluctant. So dear administrator on this forum theire is two ways . One for the skeptic ( the good guys ) one for the LRL user's ( the bad guy's or the jerk). That is the way you do on this forum and of course it'is absolutly unfair. 
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08-17-2010, 05:41 PM
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No, this was pure dowsing, or you not to believe in dowsing? You read first:
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Even if explaining HOW it works is impossible, at least just proving it does work should be easy, but i have never seen that. Never too late? 
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for me hung is telling the TRUE and is willing to help.
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08-17-2010, 06:16 PM
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Ii is patently obvious that you have no intention of performing the test ... because you already know the answer. Of course, the rod will not move by itself as it requires unconscious movements of the operator's hand. i.e. the ideomotor effect. To admit this would mean that you have to admit your gadget is a dowsing rod. And as for quoting an old text as proof of map dowsing (probably written before 1852) ... no comment. You are fighting a losing battle.
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08-17-2010, 06:30 PM
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GO BACK AND AGAIN FOR THAT Radiesthesia and mill around hehehehe ...
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Well, Mr. Administrator please do your job and create your thread about dowsing here, or whatever and keep this forum a little less confusing. As a sidenote, I made an incorrect statement. The Examiner can rotate without the need that the operator moves it or walks. This is when the device is in autoscan mode. With the hand still, it rotates. Maybe Gibbon's MFD do the same. Regards and please move this to another thread if necessary.
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Please try to stay on topic and continue debating the erratic beeping behavior of the Mineoro devices. If gibon wants to discuss his dowsing rod, then he should start a separate thread.
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 See? I tend to agree with Gibbon. You are not an administrator. You are just a biased thread manipulator. Copyrights to JudiH from TNET.
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 Dr. hung is not concerned about his thread getting hijacked, he is concerned about how he can hijack the Geotech Remote Sensing forum! Dr. hung: Perhaps you should read the forum rules before you beg administrators to change the way they conduct the Remote Sensing forum: Rules are still simple:
Be factual If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged. We see you have not been factual, and have been making exraordinary claims for several years now. How have you prepared for the challenges you are expected to get per the rules of this forum? Have you prepared by whining about the challenges, rather than offering substantial evidence to show your extraordinary claims are factual? Think back: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/report.php?p=91456 I asked: "Can you explain your own ideas and experiences with gold that might convince Qiaozhi or the rest of us forum readers that gold has DNA that produces a substance to protect it?" Your answer: "This is a private survey I'm involved. I have absolutely no interest whasoever in discussing it or convincing anyone about it. But even if I did have... no, I beleive I would not be able to convince you or some skeptics here and I doubt it that I would ever be. Too many other aspects involved which 'conventional' science still has no data. Sorry. Gotta go now". In a later post, you whined to the administrators that you don't want to explain these gold DNA principles, asking them to make people stop asking you for proof. We see you have no intention to substantiate your HungScience. You expect people to believe whatever you say simply because you say it is so. You want to ignore the rules for this forum, then make up your own rules and demand the administrators use your rules instead of the rules you already agreed to. This would be pretty cool if administrators listened to your whining. Think about it... You could fill the best technical metal detecting forum in the world with loads of false information that casual readers may think is actually true. We would then be reading more reports from people wanting to know how they can get their money back from unscrupulous LRL promoters because nobody told them they don't work, or that they should prepare to be scammed at the factory demonstration. Then I suppose you would be among the two or three people sending instructions of new things to try to get their LRL to work before we never hear from the disenhearted LRL victims again. I doubt this is the scenario Carl had in mind when he opened the Remote Sensing forum. I haven't seen any sign of the Geotech administrators repealing thier idea of how the rules are implemened, or reverting to your idea of what rules you would rather have. We see your response to challenges is to try to get adminstrators to stop people from making challenges when they read BS spewing from you, rather than to explain how your extraordinary HungScience works. This is not a forum dedicated to advertising non-working LRLs that leave buyers whining that they got cheated after reading amazing stories of treasure found with expensive junk that doesn't work. It is a technical forum where real science is accepted, and fake BS is challenged. Yet you expect the administrators at Geotech to make special exceptions to the rules that apply only to you. Why do you want to change the Geotech forum into the Tnet forum? I have a feeling your dreams will not come true for the Geotech forum. Just as your dreams will not come true that educated people will begin to believe your fake HungScience of how things work: Dr. hung's idea of how science works: 1. Voltage is a flow that is controlled by current. (EEs should write this down so you don't forget). Ask John Bedini if you don't believe it. 2. IR energy is not absorbed by the surface of the earth - there is no such thing as IR penetrating the soil or striking the surface of the earth. So if you feel the earth surface get warm in the sun, rest assured IR has nothing to do with radiant IR energy from the sun. 3. The principle of the RangerTell working is resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned. If you can't find any transmitting equipment inside an Examiner, or if you think RF carrier signals are not propagated by "shooting" and "returning", then you must learn Dr. hung's new, imporved science so you too can be smart. 4. Gold DNA produces a substance that coats the surface to prevent oxidation. I suppose this substance would be very valuable as a corrosion inhibitor. But I wasn't able to find any of it on the surface of gold. However, you can still get rich by simply getting the gold to multiply. Since the genetic code of gold is kept in its DNA, it will be able to reporduce itself with RNA and other protiens that allow new gold cells to grow more new gold, making you rich. I wonder what you should use for food to help gold grow. It's all a crock of BS, and you know it. Only an ignorant or severely retarded person would believe this crap without hearing some convincing evidence that it is true. How much more BS do we find in your forum posts that are really are made-up ficional things you read in fairy tale stories, or saw at a movie? Best wishes, J_P p.s. Administrators: I tried to stay on the topic of "erratic beeping behavior of the Mineoro devices". But it became apparent that the functioning of the Mineoro was explained by Dr. hung with his principles of HungScience in many of his previous posts. Since he started this thread, I think his reasoning for how the Mineoro locators work and his lack of substantial explanations of the science behind them is pertinent.
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Guys, the solution why alot of you have no luck with LRLs or other metal detectors is very simple:
You don't bring enough or any sacrifices to the treasure-protection gods or spirits of the earth! http://www.multiupload.com/LOMF0CI05M Kill some Lama and bury the still pounding and warm heart in the soil, shed some strong booze over the ground and pray for assistance! Try it!  I was really astonished as I saw this report from Equador and the Carneval there, because there exists the same ritual with the booze with emerald-hunting in the austrian mountains. Well, if you prefer the more scientific method, there also is a very simple solution: Just go to some successful LRL user and accompany him while detecting. Hello?! This is no ghost hunt - we are talking about existing metal objects! And how to proof if the detector works or not. btw. where is the whole enthusiasm ????? WOW - how amazing is THIS ?!! A long range detector!!! What a perfect invention! Soon I will become rich! I must have such a fantastic device! No, some guys prefer to destroy any enthusiam, while it would be so simple: Try before buy: Mineoro sends you the LRL and you can test it for one week for 100 dollars. The device is insuranced and the contract forces the test-person to send the unit back after one week in one piece and "working", otherwise he has to keep it and pay the full price. The other possibility is organizing some treasure safari: Mineoro is interrested getting alot happy customers and mouth-propagation so they should organize some low cost journey that is guided by a person, which works successfully with the Mineoro. Now everyone can try by itself and can test if he gets the same positive find-results as the guide. btw.: Is it so complicated finding out the truth? Why Mineoro still exists if they really would only rip of the people and sell not working stuff? Especially in Brazil you have to be very careful what you're doing or you end up with some bullet in your brain very fast. They simply cannot afford cheating people that invest thousands of dollars into something they want it really pays of! It has to work or the producers and Co-workers would have been killed since a very long time! btw. my opinion is that for shure those who say that the Mineoro really works should post here open and not switch to private message or email. Here is the chance for defending and prove it really works, or do you have something to hide? Of course you are self to blame if come up with unprofessional and doubtful material like this dowsing device that cannot move on its own and random beeps in an area that is full of other metal and electrostatic forces! Why you don't go out in some wood or field, let bury some gold object by an other person and after this find it, with videocamera on!? Convincing the not without good reason sceptical people here could bring Mineoro alot of new customers and money, but you have to make it trustworthy and so everyone can really accept what he sees or hears! btw. dear Mineoro-Non Believers: Why you don't ask some criminal investigator what would be the best way proofing once and for all if the Mineoro works or not? Because such people know how to bring light in obscure scenes and how to finding the truth by even very small traces. This stupid internet-small talk here will bring you no reliable answers at all. This is just entertainment because there is no serious information provided. But we need reliable information and if hung, esteban or gibon fail with their convincing information or making non-scientific or doubtful statements it's all in vain! This stupid discussion will go on for ever and a day if no serious investigation and information search is made! btw. what we need is a clear understandable and reliable working metal detection device and posting about pendulum over landmaps using monks are completly contra-productive! The same way you could use witch-boards or ghost-channeling and all this occult stuff. I really can understand why some people here get so exagerrated here if such kind of "arguments" come up. Because this a technical forum and not esoteric. btw. the most of LRLs are technical devices that's why it's possible to find out what circuits or detection methods they're using. Come on, with Mineoro working guys: Convince us with serious test-reports or invite some of us going with you on some treasure hunt and use serious explanation and demonstration methods! If you like your Mineoro LRL and if you want to help the creators of it you should find some suitable way for convincing us. You have the chance to be the winner - like I was the winner against WM6 and his purely laughable comments against the Jeohunter! Do you want to be the winners or the loosers? You can choose, and please don't think this forum has made some conspiracy against you. For shure not! But serious and scientific understandable information, tests and recreatable results are needed if you wanna win! 
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Since this thread is dominated by Dr hung's science, let's see how it works in relation to the treasure site that Gaucho1961 found. We see that the science of treasure hunting hung style can be enhanced by map dowsing: Quote:
We can dowse this image and post the spot we think Gaucho should dig to find the treasure. This will be in accordance with the kind of scientific approach that Dr. hung uses for treasure hunting. If your pendulum does not point out toward your computer screen, you can print a copy of the image and then dowse it. We can see how well we do at determining the location of the treasure. Maybe you have map dowsing abilities you never knew existed. Maybe you can do better than the Tnet map dowsers. Who knows? Give it your best shot. My map dowsing guesses are biased, because I already know where Gaucho thinks there is treasure. And I have some hunches based on colonial people's habits for burying treasures. So here is my list of dig locations. What are yours? (6.60, 9.15) Coconut trees definitely (8.00, 9.30) Big trees next to old house ruins. Check around every tree trunk there. (6.10, 9.45) Tree near coconut trees (6.15, 7.85) Troll that lake. Maybe not the treasure, but should be lots of cool stuff down there. (8.60, 8.80) I don't know why, but pendulum said dig there. Isn't this map dowsing fun?
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Unbeatable J_Player!
Very good idea!This brought me to some very nice idea, too: (I took your coordination marks, hope it's ok )If web- err win- no ehm mapdowsing really works it should be possible finding 2 times (if not the correct...) at least the same spot on the map!Below is and original selfdrawn map from me, ca. 10-15-1994 and it was already dowsed. My first try finding a treasure at the (below deleted) mark was negative but now I have a much better MD so I could check this location again. Come on mapdowser - who and wherever you are - if you find the right place and I'm lucky finding the Nazi-Gold there I'll give ya something of it! I know already the "dowsing location" so this is just a test if it's really worth believing in such paranormal talents or not! Probably no big difference like asking a fortune teller...
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 We also could play "Hot or Cold" - if the treasure heats up the ground... or even better: Minesweeper! btw. there exists already trekking and offroad GPS devices that can store the way you've been going on the internal map - through the wilderness with your Mineoro perhaps - and later could be perfectly used as evidence that it really lead you to some treasure site.
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Regular technology balls are obsolete from ages ago. If you knew what i know (but that i cant explain), you would be amazed how new balls technology is ahead, in comparison. Anyway, for some, future is into rods 
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The location of the ball is at X. If you can imagine the players carrying L-rods ... well, you get the idea.
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That's just unbelievable, even for you. Where is the science in that?
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