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After a long wait, I acquired a Black Hunter device and prepared to reverse engineer.After opening the box, I was faced with a world of resin and epoxy that made access to the circuits impossible for me.However, since my friend insisted on reverse engineering this device, we decided to remove the epoxies.
Unfortunately, this work caused damage to Black Hunter, but we obtained some information from it, which I share here.
The heart of the Black Hunter device consists of a board Raspberry Pi and arduino deu.
The device is powered by 16lithium ion 3300 mAh batteries.In addition to the lithium battery protector, a separate set of charger circuits has been designed for this device, which is located under the upper panel
I will post photos of equipment and internal circuits for all friends. If anyone can think of a way to remove the epoxy and gain access to the circuitry please advise so we can completely reverse engineer this device and post it here and discuss it.The reinforcing parts of the device are completely buried in epoxy and are inaccessible
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Maybe Carl can help you.
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There is such a thing called Dimexide. Apply carefully with a brush and remove the resin layer by layer. If you don?t mind plastic, then fill it completely. Epoxy resin deteriorates quite well, plastic and paint deteriorate.Forgot to add. Do all actions under a hood.

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why you want reverse engineering it?
it is digitally controlled oscillator . commercial trick !!!!!!
also with variable amplitude . there are some other circuits seem it. i did try lords with oscillator ... didn't work as a long range .
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There is such a thing called Dimexide. Apply carefully with a brush and remove the resin layer by layer. If you don?t mind plastic, then fill it completely. Epoxy resin deteriorates quite well, plastic and paint deteriorate.Forgot to add. Do all actions under a hood.
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why you want reverse engineering it?
it is digitally controlled oscillator . commercial trick !!!!!!
also with variable amplitude . there are some other circuits seem it. i did try lords with oscillator ... didn't work as a long range .
My dear friend, I have worked with many detector circuits, but I believe the Black Hunter was one of those long-range detectors that I was able to get good results from. I tried it on 5 unannounced buried targets and 4 points were good It revealed easily. In my opinion, Blackhunter is a different device than a digital oscillator and it can be used well for an exploration.I've reverse engineered a lot of circuits but none were resin sealed as hard as the Black Hunter.If I can reverse engineer the Blackhunter amplifier circuits, I will definitely share the information in this thread Of course, with this amount of resin, it is a little far from the antar.
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My dear friend, I have worked with many detector circuits, but I believe the Black Hunter was one of those long-range detectors that I was able to get good results from. I tried it on 5 unannounced buried targets and 4 points were good It revealed easily. In my opinion, Blackhunter is a different device than a digital oscillator and it can be used well for an exploration.I've reverse engineered a lot of circuits but none were resin sealed as hard as the Black Hunter.If I can reverse engineer the Blackhunter amplifier circuits, I will definitely share the information in this thread Of course, with this amount of resin, it is a little far from the antar.


was interesting ... are you did measure output frequency and amplitude for silver and gold ?
what was shape of wave ?
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was interesting ... are you did measure output frequency and amplitude for silver and gold ?
what was shape of wave ?
The interesting point of this device was not using output with fixed waveform and fixed amplitude.At first, it started with a square waveform, and in the time intervals between the beginning of Grand Balance and the end of Grand Balance, the waveform and the amplitude were constantly changing .The shape of the waves changed from a square to a sinusoid, then to a triangle, and then to the first square symmetry state.The frequencies were very different from the frequencies listed in the booklet, and only the start signal was the same as the one listed in the booklet.In the output part of the antenna, 4 inductors were used in the form of a Wheatstone bridge circuit.There is a very complex logic behind the operation of this device that I have not yet been able to understand.By connecting the antenna, the output power of the detector increases in a strange way
If I can get new information I will be sure to share
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Yes, those four inductors like on Bob Fitzgerald?s locators are strange. It appears to me when there is a spike of output from the antenna the inductors grab some of it and feed it back into the system.
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The interesting point of this device was not using output with fixed waveform and fixed amplitude.At first, it started with a square waveform, and in the time intervals between the beginning of Grand Balance and the end of Grand Balance, the waveform and the amplitude were constantly changing .The shape of the waves changed from a square to a sinusoid, then to a triangle, and then to the first square symmetry state.The frequencies were very different from the frequencies listed in the booklet, and only the start signal was the same as the one listed in the booklet.In the output part of the antenna, 4 inductors were used in the form of a Wheatstone bridge circuit.There is a very complex logic behind the operation of this device that I have not yet been able to understand.By connecting the antenna, the output power of the detector increases in a strange way
If I can get new information I will be sure to share
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Yes, those four inductors like on Bob Fitzgerald?s locators are strange. It appears to me when there is a spike of output from the antenna the inductors grab some of it and feed it back into the system.

I really don't know my friend. The logic of using these selfies is really strange.But it works well in revealing
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i have been reading the forum since a long time ago i think it is time for me to buy one to reverse engineer it
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i have been reading the forum since a long time ago i think it is time for me to buy one to reverse engineer it

Dear friend, I have been reverse engineering the Black Hunter for 2 weeks, but I could not access the main boards and the microprocessor program in any way.I don't recommend it because buying it for reverse engineering is a waste of money.If I get any information about this product, I will definitely share it here
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how much does it cost black hunter?
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how much does it cost black hunter?
I did not pay for the purchase. My friend bought this device 2 years ago and brought it to me for reverse engineering
I don't know the exact price, but it is definitely worth several thousand dollars.
I will ask the purchase price and let you know
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Today I encountered a strange problem in the Black Hunter device After removing part of the resin, I saw a piece that I had never seen before.A capacitor-like piece inside which was a coil with a silver core.The coil inside the tank was completely filled with silver powder And its output was connected to the antenna.Can you explain this to me? What is the reason for this?
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Today I encountered a strange problem in the Black Hunter device After removing part of the resin, I saw a piece that I had never seen before.A capacitor-like piece inside which was a coil with a silver core.The coil inside the tank was completely filled with silver powder And its output was connected to the antenna.Can you explain this to me? What is the reason for this?
Hi, thanks for the machine info. basically you didn't mention the output frequency and the form of oscillation, wave,? square? . in a previous post you mentioned that it goes up and down like a frequency generator? what is the origin of the frequency and what is the peak? make a diagram where the capacitor was in the circuit, how many turns the coil has inside the capacitor..and confirm the metal inside the capacitor shell..it is definitely silver ?
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Hi, thanks for the machine info. basically you didn't mention the output frequency and the form of oscillation, wave,? square? . in a previous post you mentioned that it goes up and down like a frequency generator? what is the origin of the frequency and what is the peak? make a diagram where the capacitor was in the circuit, how many turns the coil has inside the capacitor..and confirm the metal inside the capacitor shell..it is definitely silver ?
Dear friend, I explained about frequency and output waveform in the above posts.This part is not a capacitor. It looks like a capacitor.10 turns of 0.3 wire was wrapped on a silver core with a diameter of 3 mm.
Yes, I am pretty sure that the coil was sealed with silver powder inside a chamber
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Dear friend, I explained about frequency and output waveform in the above posts.This part is not a capacitor. It looks like a capacitor.10 turns of 0.3 wire was wrapped on a silver core with a diameter of 3 mm.
Yes, I am pretty sure that the coil was sealed with silver powder inside a chamber
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sorry for the many questions..have you had any success with silver with this device?
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sorry for the many questions..have you had any success with silver with this device?
In several points that were related to the test, he easily determined the targets from a distance
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In several points that were related to the test, he easily determined the targets from a distance
We know that with a sample and in a specific way a noble metal can be sampled and detect the same metal with the distance method. some here also called it molecular detection. I think the operating frequency is very important as well as the (area) where we will put the metal sample. The area that is a metal buried too long has the ability to create a corresponding reflection of a frequency with the sample you have placement. there are many ways to detect this anomaly, the method here is different because there is no signal receiving device just two rod downing.
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We know that with a sample and in a specific way a noble metal can be sampled and detect the same metal with the distance method. some here also called it molecular detection. I think the operating frequency is very important as well as the (area) where we will put the metal sample. The area that is a metal buried too long has the ability to create a corresponding reflection of a frequency with the sample you have placement. there are many ways to detect this anomaly, the method here is different because there is no signal receiving device just two rod downing.
How to take a sample of a noble metal with a sample and in a special way and recognize the same metal at a distance?
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Got to LRLMAN YouTube channel there is a video titled ?Dowsing Ring Theory? . Hee we ecc C plains how to determine the frequency of an object.
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I sent a lot of emails to Deep Finders for a long time.Unfortunately, I did not receive any answer.When the company does not respond to your emails and calls, the credibility of that company should be doubted.I was very interested in buying the Black Hunter device, but unfortunately, there is no such device in the market anymore.I contacted several people who sell metal detectors and they all said that we have this device in old form and I cannot trust such a device.I need a non working black hunter if anyone can guide me
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