Anything new

Clondike Clad · #1 05-05-2008, 11:47 PM

Anyone have any new data on a working LRL.
At this time Not one LRL work for me.
But iN TIME ONE WILL WORK....WARP DRIVE ANYONE.

Theseus · #2 05-06-2008, 02:57 PM

If you are willing to wait "to the end of time", you might find an LRL that will work. Notice I didn't say; ....that will work for you. If it will work for you, it will work for any one. But that is a tall order, and presently; not a single LRL (commercial or otherwise) will produce results better than ordinary guessing. Not one!

Mike(Mont) · #3 05-14-2008, 05:56 PM

Frequency generators are not new but they might work for you if you practice with the rods every day for a few weeks. It's a whole lot easier than trying to do it with rods alone. I know many peole do not want to hear the "M" word, but meditation/breathing techniques and a clean lifestyle just might work. The Supersensonics book i(drhills.com) s difficult to grasp for most people but there is a goldmine of info there. Absolutely the best book on dowsing ever written.

Probably the main theme of the book is that your skin is able to detect a much wider range of frequencies than your eyes or ears. The whole thing about frequencies is that your consciousness has to interpret/discriminate the wavelength. There are no wavelength-specific sensors. There is no sensor that only detects the color red or a musical note. Your eyes and ears were at one time just folds of skin that became sensitized to narrow wavelengths. Some animals can see magnetic flux lines and I suspect this is available to the subconscious.

For some damned reason there are people who think dowsing is some kind of hocus pocus/voodoo. Nothing farther from the truth. As I have stated all along, dowsing is seeing what is there without the brain filtering it out. Properly conditioned, the human brain has phenomenal abilities. When I get some time I'll try to explain why it is so easy to eliminate dowsing from your life, even for young children. In the mean time, try to realize how science has a difficult/impossible? time explaining consciousness.

Theseus · #4 05-14-2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

Frequency generators are not new but they might work for you if you practice with the rods every day for a few weeks. It's a whole lot easier than trying to do it with rods alone.

How true. Frequency generators have been around for several decades now. They were originally coupled with dowsing to fool a few illiterates into thinking that dowsing alongside a frequency generator was somehow better than just dowsing without them. These scammers came up with all kinds of neat sounding theories (pseudoscience and wish-science) for the dowsing/generator association; unfortunately there has never been a shred of evidence to prove that dowsing WITH FG's is any better than without a FG. When fairly tested, ALL of the so-called Frequency Enhanced Dowsing contraptions will consistently produce the very same results as one might expect from pure guessing (or pure un-enhanced dowsing).

Nevertheless, the total lack of proof and validation for the the theories, has not deterred those Wallet Miners who even today can find the unsuspecting fool to con. Whole business structures, complete with elaborate marketing schemes, have been developed for no other reason than to fleece those technically challenged individuals who have more cash than brains. C. Hills is just one of them, there are other notables.

Mike(Mont) · #5 05-14-2008, 07:27 PM

I do understand your depression. Some advertisers want people to believe that the frequency discriminator IS the detector. Of course this is not so. In the end it is the resonance between the target and the person. The person has to be positively involved, waiting for a response. They have to know how to recognize the resonance, the psychic twinge. Actually I call it a flicker. In the end the FG is an aid. I've read every dowsing book I could find and Hills is uncomparable by a factor of 100.

Mike(Mont) · #6 05-14-2008, 07:43 PM

What is the carrier wave for consciousness? The answer is anything with a force field. Shamans used a drum beat, but light, sound, static, ionic, magnetic, maybe even air pressure. It's the edge of the field that is most detectable, the spot where the wave reverses polarity. The node. Hills also talks about radiation pressure and gradients.

Qiaozhi · #7 05-14-2008, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

Frequency generators are not new but they might work for you if you practice with the rods every day for a few weeks. It's a whole lot easier than trying to do it with rods alone. I know many peole do not want to hear the "M" word, but meditation/breathing techniques and a clean lifestyle just might work. The Supersensonics book i(drhills.com) s difficult to grasp for most people but there is a goldmine of info there. Absolutely the best book on dowsing ever written.

The only reason frequency generators have been added to dowsing rods is to attempt to give dowsing some air of scientific credibility, whereas a simple dowsing rod alone has none.

Theseus · #8 05-15-2008, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

The only reason frequency generators have been added to dowsing rods is to attempt to give dowsing some air of scientific credibility, whereas a simple dowsing rod alone has none.

Exactly!

...and as I mentioned above, the addition of a frequency generator (to a dowsing rod) adds absolutely zero enhancement as far as accuracy or strength of response. Only the technically challenged are fooled by this kind of scam, and though there numbers are really quite small, there are still a few who can be conned by these schemes. There is a term for it; it's called Fraud through Willful Deception.

Theseus · #9 05-15-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

In the end it is the resonance between the target and the person.

The term resonance was borrowed from real science/physics, and as was noted before, was attached to dowsing with frequency generators merely as an attempt to lend credibility -- where none actually exists.

Resonance is already clearly defined, as it applied to the science where it was borrowed. The addition of a frequency generator, to a dowsing rod, in no way causes there to be resonance between sought-after targets and the person doing the seeking (ie. dowsing).

Perhaps you meant to infer there was some type of "as yet undiscovered" sympathetic type of interaction between the target and the dowser; but it is confusing to label it with the term resonance, since that word already has a clear definition --and it doesn't apply in this instance.

Further, if you believe there is some kind of sympathetic interaction between a target and a dowser, you would need to provide significant evidence of such an interaction and it would need to be validated with ordinary conventional instrumentation (not just a dowsing gadget or a "strange feeling").

Dell Winders · #10 05-15-2008, 06:51 PM

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The term resonance was borrowed from real science/physics, and as was noted before, was attached to dowsing with frequency generators merely as an attempt to lend credibility -- where none actually exists.

Resonance is already clearly defined, as it applied to the science where it was borrowed. The addition of a frequency generator, to a dowsing rod, in no way causes there to be resonance between sought-after targets and the person doing the seeking (ie. dowsing).

Perhaps you meant to infer there was some type of "as yet undiscovered" sympathetic type of interaction between the target and the dowser; but it is confusing to label it with the term resonance, since that word already has a clear definition --and it doesn't apply in this instance.

Further, if you believe there is some kind of sympathetic interaction between a target and a dowser, you would need to provide significant evidence of such an interaction and it would need to be validated with ordinary conventional instrumentation (not just a dowsing gadget or a "strange feeling").

Poor, poor, delusional Sam,
I see you continue to demonstrate your ignorance of the subject{s) trying to save face by discrediting Mike, and Mental Dowsing, with fantasy falsehoods.

Shame on you trying to fool knowledgeable electronic people on this forum with pseudo Scientific BS.

Sorry to shatter your fantasy world, but my field use of fully electronic remote sensing recievers and frequency discrimination broadcasting for the past 28 years shows me, and anyone with credible experience in the subject(s) that you don't have a Scientific leg to stand on.

When will you ever get it through your head that "WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, CAN BE DONE". Dell

Theseus · #11 05-15-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Sorry to shatter your fantasy world, but my field use of fully electronic remote sensing recievers and frequency discrimination broadcasting for the past 28 years shows me, and anyone with credible experience in the subject(s) that you don't have a Scientific leg to stand on.

Hmmmmm guess you must have me confused with someone else.

No matter though, when I mentioned con artists in an earlier post; I really did have your name at the head of list, so it is no surprise that you would show up on queue, and unload a ration of your BS. How predictable you are, just like the Cuckoo in a clock, and you exhibit the same intelligence level.

Your past 28+ years of field use of frequency generators and dowsing rods has been a total waste, since that marriage has nothing to do with anything scientific; and everything to do with your elaborate scam scheme to take advantage of the technically-challenged in order to provide yourself with capital gains.

Instead of name-calling and all your tired rhetoric, demonstrate how my statements are false. Tell us all, in non-pseudo scientific terms how your frequency generators enhance your dowsing gadgets. By the way, the best and quickest way to do that would be to take Carl's Challenge Money, or better yet, Randi's. Of course, if you can't --then we are left with nothing but your usual empty defense tactics of your scam scheme you've been running for the past 28+ years. Ho... hum.... how boring.

Incidently, WHAT CAN'T BE DONE, CAN USUALLY BE LIED ABOUT, IN ORDER TO MAKE IT SEEM AS THOUGH IT COULD BE DONE.

Dell Winders · #12 05-15-2008, 10:09 PM

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Instead of name-calling and all your tired rhetoric, demonstrate how my statements are false. Tell us all, in non-pseudo scientific terms how your frequency generators enhance your dowsing gadgets. By the way, the best and quickest way to do that would be to take Carl's Challenge Money, or better yet, Randi's. Of course, if you can't --then we are left with nothing but your usual empty defense tactics of your scam scheme you've been running for the past 28+ years. Ho... hum.... how boring.

I called you SAM. I guess you don't like that name? But, with his poor reputation for truthfullness, I can understand why.

Since I am knowledgeable, with proven experience in both subjects, I'll try to clarify it for you once again. There is absolutely NO relation between Mental Dowsing, and Electronic Frequency Discrimination. Except, in your imagination. They are two entirely different subjects.

From past experience, I realize this is beyond your ability to comprehend, or admit, but nevertheless I will repeat myself.

Remote Sensing, Frequency Discrimination (No Rods) has been utilized successfully by several Treasure Hunters, including myself, since 1980.

Common sense and simple logic dictates that if something has already been done, it can be done. Right?

Qiaozhi · #13 05-15-2008, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Poor, poor, delusional Sam,
I see you continue to demonstrate your ignorance of the subject{s) trying to save face by discrediting Mike, and Mental Dowsing, with fantasy falsehoods.

Shame on you trying to fool knowledgeable electronic people on this forum with pseudo Scientific BS.

Sorry to shatter your fantasy world, but my field use of fully electronic remote sensing recievers and frequency discrimination broadcasting for the past 28 years shows me, and anyone with credible experience in the subject(s) that you don't have a Scientific leg to stand on.

When will you ever get it through your head that "WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, CAN BE DONE". Dell

There is some sort of twisted logic in the above statements, that is almost beyond comprehension.

The use of so-called frequency discrimination gadgetry in the field of treasure hunting is totally unproven, despite 28+ years of self-delusion.

Theseus · #14 05-15-2008, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Remote Sensing, Frequency Discrimination (No Rods) has been utilized successfully by several Treasure Hunters, including myself, since 1980.

If by "successful" you mean you've maintained an unproven pseudo scientific ruse in order to eek out a living wallet-mining from the technically challenged, then; yes, you probably could call that successful, though it is certainly nothing to be proud of.

Please try to read these next few words real slowly:

There is absolutely NO difference between Mental Dowsing, and Electronic Frequency Discrimination Dowsing. There never has been, and there isn't likely to be a difference in the immediate future. Your proclaimed relationship lies totally within your own imagination, and is only perpetrated to the public as the central selling point for your worthless pseudo-enhanced dowsing gadgets. The legal term for it is; Fraud through Wilfull Deception.

Prove my statement wrong. Demonstrate and provide evidence for the "non-relationship" you claim.

Dell Winders · #15 05-16-2008, 12:29 AM

Again, you prove It to be self evident.

"THE DOOR TO
KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING, TRUTH, OR FACT, IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED OR PREJUDICE MIND".

Enjoy your fantasy! Dell

Theseus · #16 05-16-2008, 01:12 AM

...and as usual, your empty retort speaks volumes about your total lack of evidence for your supposed theory.

Continually mouthing the non-existent virtues of a completely erroneous and pseudo scientific belief system is a sad waste of 28+ years out of your life. Were it not for the occasional overzealous technically challenged treasure hunter, who actually falls for your line of snake-oil, you'd of been forced to seek an honest occupation many years ago.

I'm afraid it's you that is stuck in a fantasy world. But, you've learned your lessons well, from those who have failed at the same ruse. Like Wade Quattlebaum, of Quadro Corporation of Harleyville, South Carolina - you must maintain the ruse at all costs, and pretend you didn't know any better. Otherwise, you'd be faced with a lot of costly refunds and some serious court time.

Don't ever come out of your fantasy world.

Clondike Clad · #17 05-16-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Poor, poor, delusional Sam,
I see you continue to demonstrate your ignorance of the subject{s) trying to save face by discrediting Mike, and Mental Dowsing, with fantasy falsehoods.

Shame on you trying to fool knowledgeable electronic people on this forum with pseudo Scientific BS.

Sorry to shatter your fantasy world, but my field use of fully electronic remote sensing recievers and frequency discrimination broadcasting for the past 28 years shows me, and anyone with credible experience in the subject(s) that you don't have a Scientific leg to stand on.

When will you ever get it through your head that "WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, CAN BE DONE". Dell

Dell I seen the inside of your units.......and as you KNOW and I do say KNOW how it will never work.

Theseus · #18 05-16-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

Dell I seen the inside of your units.......and as you KNOW and I do say KNOW how it will never work.

In case there are some who have not seen the inside of the units.

http://geotech.thunting.com/cgi-bin/...r800/index.dat

http://www.randi.org/jr/200511/112505psychich.html#i5

Judge for yourself.

Max · #19 05-16-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Theseus

In case there are some who have not seen the inside of the units.

http://geotech.thunting.com/cgi-bin/...r800/index.dat

http://www.randi.org/jr/200511/112505psychich.html#i5

Judge for yourself.

Do you mean there's some hot melt glue there ?

SURE IT WILL NOT WORK.

goldfinder · #20 05-19-2008, 03:49 AM

I think you have the right idea re dowsing. Personally, I like the book by Abbe Mermet (sp?).

The basic problem w/ dowsing is the human in the circuit. Most who are using it to find gold or treasure are incapable of removing their human opinions and letting their Inner Guidance show them the answer. Any mental or emotional blockages or preconceive outcome automatically messes up the responses.

Do you know about radionics???

Are you in Arizona by any chance? If you want to communicate send me an email via this board.

Goldfinder

Theseus · #21 05-19-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by goldfinder

The basic problem w/ dowsing is the human in the circuit. Goldfinder

Quite true. And, unfortunately, no one has yet been able to make a dowsing implement move without it being held by a human operator. A dowsing implement just won't move without first having the operator experience an ideomotor action. Since the operator can never be sure of what exactly triggered the ideomotor; the problem (errors) will exist forever.