the forum died?

[folharin]

we are all old...I stop visiting the forum for a month or two and nothing happens again...where are the old members?

[folharin]

where are? CARL,DAVEJ,MUSFETA,NELSON,NICOLAS,QUIAOZHI,FRANCO ITALY,MORGAN,STEBAN,GEO,MIKE,DUBULUMACH..ETC..??

[Pahom]

Originally Posted by folharin

we are all old...I stop visiting the forum for a month or two and nothing happens again...where are the old members?

Summer .... everyone is in the fields hone their skills in search of coins and treasures. The cold weather will come and everyone will return to the forum. Perhaps not everyone will return. There is no one in time. This pandemic is still walking around the planet.

[folharin]

my back pain no longer lets me walk in search of treasure like it used to 10 years ago:n?o n?o:

[Pahom]

Originally Posted by folharin

my back pain no longer lets me walk in search of treasure like it used to 10 years ago:n?o n?o:

We all have different sores that float to old age.

[folharin]

Originally Posted by Pahom

Summer .... everyone is in the fields hone their skills in search of coins and treasures. The cold weather will come and everyone will return to the forum. Perhaps not everyone will return. There is no one in time. This pandemic is still walking around the planet.

[Pahom]

Originally Posted by folharin

where are? CARL,DAVEJ,MUSFETA,NELSON,NICOLAS,QUIAOZHI,FRANCO ITALY,MORGAN,STEBAN,GEO,MIKE,DUBULUMACH..ETC..??

Probably in their laboratories, they are improving their versions of LRL.

[Rubin]

Originally Posted by folharin

where are? CARL,DAVEJ,MUSFETA,NELSON,NICOLAS,QUIAOZHI,FRANCO ITALY,MORGAN,STEBAN,GEO,MIKE,DUBULUMACH..ETC..??

Normally the forum should have been dead a long time ago ..
If you are careful, most of those referred to as "lost" are people who sold devices and never provided information.
For example, presenting a device only in pictures and many congratulations without additional information, offers nothing to the knowledge.
Of course most of those you mention do not really have the knowledge, they just know how to copy and fish information.
Unfortunately this is the reality
As a result, when they saw that interest was declining, they stopped writing and I think they are in other forums to continue their work.
I'm not referring to names, but for example a guru who says it 's a hobby and helps members (great hypocrisy), even has a website for sales.
I am not referring to nicolas because he present the really informations for him
This forum has always been a sales forum.
The members who had real knowledge had a war and left because they created problems for those who sold.
This is the truth

[FrancoItaly]

As far as I'm concerned, I'm always there, if someone asks me any questions about my lrl. I am trying to improve it and if there will be any news I will communicate.

[Rubin]

Originally Posted by FrancoItaly

As far as I'm concerned, I'm always there, if someone asks me any questions about my lrl. I am trying to improve it and if there will be any news I will communicate.

I never talked about your person.
I can say that with what you presented you created a "brake" on the "experts-guru" and the sales from them.
Unfortunately, your LRL also sells ready-made pcb in Iran a price 200-400 USD.
Dear Franco, don't forget that most members are not interested in searching and finding treasure, but in sales.
Another example (again a lot of hypocrisy) Geo said that he don't sell and he is only interested as hobby.
Enjoy his website for the last 10 years
https://mineoromod.wixsite.com/el-cat
If I'm wrong, he can inform us that is not his website. I think is time we know the hypocrisy
So my question is:
It is worth presenting real devices in public. When most people are interested in stealing knowledge and selling;
We must see the truth in the eyes

[FrancoItaly]

Originally Posted by Rubin

I never talked about your person.
I can say that with what you presented you created a "brake" on the "experts-guru" and the sales from them.
Unfortunately, your LRL also sells ready-made pcb in Iran a price 200-400 USD.
Dear Franco, don't forget that most members are not interested in searching and finding treasure, but in sales.
Another example (again a lot of hypocrisy) Geo said that he don't sell and he is only interested as hobby.
Enjoy his website for the last 10 years
https://mineoromod.wixsite.com/el-cat
If I'm wrong, he can inform us that is not his website. I think is time we know the hypocrisy
So my question is:
It is worth presenting real devices in public. When most people are interested in stealing knowledge and selling;
We must see the truth in the eyes

When I decided to put my lrl and all the details to build it on the forum, I knew that someone could take advantage of it but for me it was more important to share my discoveries with all the members and give everyone the opportunity to build my lrl. However, if someone has earned with my lrl I'm happy for him.

[Rubin]

It is your choice and we must respect it.
I see it all without romance.
Maybe you are right ... maybe me

[Pahom]

Originally Posted by Rubin

I never talked about your person.
I can say that with what you presented you created a "brake" on the "experts-guru" and the sales from them.
Unfortunately, your LRL also sells ready-made pcb in Iran a price 200-400 USD.
Dear Franco, don't forget that most members are not interested in searching and finding treasure, but in sales.
Another example (again a lot of hypocrisy) Geo said that he don't sell and he is only interested as hobby.
Enjoy his website for the last 10 years
https://mineoromod.wixsite.com/el-cat
If I'm wrong, he can inform us that is not his website. I think is time we know the hypocrisy
So my question is:
It is worth presenting real devices in public. When most people are interested in stealing knowledge and selling;
We must see the truth in the eyes

And you can also link to boards from Iran on a copy of Franco, it just became interesting only in a personal, they do not need to advertise here

[kostas87]

o Geo never hid that he makes lrl for friends when he has time to upgrade it..Morgan also the same ... Alonso the same .. and many others do nothing for anyone but themselves for a hobby..when making something for someone is like sharing something because it has the ability to acquire the device or the knowledge because otherwise you can not.:όχι όχι:

[Rubin]

Originally Posted by kostas87

o Geo never hid that he makes lrl for friends when he has time to upgrade it..Morgan also the same ... Alonso the same .. and many others do nothing for anyone but themselves for a hobby..when making something for someone is like sharing something because it has the ability to acquire the device or the knowledge because otherwise you can not.:όχι όχι:

You take seriously what you write or you are in his defensive team.
I always write with logical thinking and always with proofs.
Geo always wrote "... I build for myself and I do not deal professionally with sales, etc." and attacks (not on his team) any member he tries to sell
There are many old posts of it, you can find them.
You say he made the site to "help" his friends?
He can tell us himself.
We have never seen his own construction with photos and a complete sketch. Sometimes he posted some PCBs by deleting an area in the photo. Is this help? He is specialist only reverse engineering, always with hidden specific parts and of course without the permission of the real designer.
There is a big difference between a designer and a copier.
My dear, of course I help my friends when I have time to upgrade ... never in practice.
Do not try to tell us that black is white. It is always black.
The forum is dead because (apart from Franco and two old members who have left), many members are trying to fish for information, copy and sell.
I would not write, but you challenge me for geo (for any geo).

[kostas87]

You are really a complaining person, there are enough on the forum to build a lot of lrls. some are hidden, and what is the problem.? there are so many others that work better and it was published in its entirety here .. geo will answer better than me, I just know him for more than 10 years and I do not think he made more than 3 lrl for others in those years. the page is very old over 15 years I do not know what he did so old ..

[Pahom]

Originally Posted by Rubin

You take seriously what you write or you are in his defensive team.
I always write with logical thinking and always with proofs.
Geo always wrote "... I build for myself and I do not deal professionally with sales, etc." and attacks (not on his team) any member he tries to sell
There are many old posts of it, you can find them.
You say he made the site to "help" his friends?
He can tell us himself.
We have never seen his own construction with photos and a complete sketch. Sometimes he posted some PCBs by deleting an area in the photo. Is this help? He is specialist only reverse engineering, always with hidden specific parts and of course without the permission of the real designer.
There is a big difference between a designer and a copier.
My dear, of course I help my friends when I have time to upgrade ... never in practice.
Do not try to tell us that black is white. It is always black.
The forum is dead because (apart from Franco and two old members who have left), many members are trying to fish for information, copy and sell.
I would not write, but you challenge me for geo (for any geo).

Can you explain why all the boron cheese is? If we assume that this is a real Geo site, what is so outrageous for you? Or did Geo use your best practices?

[Rubin]

Originally Posted by Pahom

Can you explain why all the boron cheese is? If we assume that this is a real Geo site, what is so outrageous for you? Or did Geo use your best practices?

My dear, I think my posts are very clear.
I write for every geo.
You can see my last post ".... I would not write, but you challenge me for the geo (for any geo)".
If you think I'm wrong, you can write your objections.
No one wastes their time with posts, websites, facebook , tweeter, linkedlin etc to spend their time or hobbies. There must be a specific purpose.
Everything else is hypocritical and you know it very well.
Other example
Franco made a device, presented it with all the details for anyone who wants to make a clone.
Right move without any gain for himself.
If I show you a photo of a device that "detects 100%" and some parrots write well done, have I offered anything?
This is an ad for specific purposes.
We must be realistic.

[Pahom]

Originally Posted by Rubin

My dear, I think my posts are very clear.
I write for every geo.
You can see my last post ".... I would not write, but you challenge me for the geo (for any geo)".
If you think I'm wrong, you can write your objections.
No one wastes their time with posts, websites, facebook , tweeter, linkedlin etc to spend their time or hobbies. There must be a specific purpose.
Everything else is hypocritical and you know it very well.
Other example
Franco made a device, presented it with all the details for anyone who wants to make a clone.
Right move without any gain for himself.
If I show you a photo of a device that "detects 100%" and some parrots write well done, have I offered anything?
This is an ad for specific purposes.
We must be realistic.

Perhaps you're right, time will tell. And of course you are right that everyone present here on the forum will pursue their goals. But in my opinion, the majority wants to collect LRL itself, even if someone's copy for personal use.

[Rubin]

Originally Posted by Pahom

Perhaps you're right, time will tell. And of course you are right that everyone present here on the forum will pursue their goals. But in my opinion, the majority wants to collect LRL itself, even if someone's copy for personal use.

Please read my posts carefully.
In post # 17 I wrote "The forum is dead because (apart from Franco and two old members who have left), many members are trying to fish for information, copy and sell."
I do not say all members, but some members.
Unfortunately no one knows which members really want the knowledge to create something of their own.
"Professionals" only need time to be revealed.
The only sure thing is that, every member who "loves" others, thinks for his own good and writes half-truths or presents with "supporters" simply .... is looking for a sucker to get money.
I was happy for the nice public discussion

[Pahom]

Thank you! And I am pleased !

[Mike(Mont)]

Yes, I admit I have not been breathing, eating, sleeping LRL's these past several months. I'm trying to get through my health issues but it's been rough and no end in sight. Or as I say the only cure is death. Earlier this week the dermatologist took 18 biopsies and 14 came back as cancer. The other four were pre-cancerous. AT least the 14 have to be cut out and the others maybe scraped off with a razor blade. And I really went through Hell earlier this year with skin treatments that burned me and caused big infections. And that's just this year. Think I only had two or three surgeries this year, can't remeber. But with al the issues I still said to myslf that all the pain is still a whole lot better than dying.

I know how easy it is to criticize. I get the feeling there are some people who just want it handed to them on a silver platter so they can profit off other people's work. I really get peeved at people who ask for help then never even bother to say thank you. Don't get me wrong there are many good people here and most do give a thanks, but it only takes a few times before I lose faith in people. I really think these bad ones are hugely self-centered.
"I'm so important, you must cater to me." Sorry, not sorry.

I'm pushing six years into this Contraption project, just not about to give away all my work. Not going to happen. If the day ever comes I put it on the market I can only assume it will be cloned. Not much incentive either way. ANother big issue I have is my hunting partner has health issues (heart attack) and not interested in going out any more.

[Pahom]

Get well Mike! It is most important!

[Mike(Mont)]

Thanks! I have a long haul ahead of me right now. Looks like it's going to be surgeries for the next several months.

[Sneshko]

Fight Mike!
Health is most important.
Good luck and come back healthy!
Regards!
Sneshko