Sceptic Declaration

[WM6]

Special invitation to LRL believers:

Join Sceptic Declaration, it is for protection of human rights.

[WM6]

Starting from human rights, members of Geotech forums (joined this declaration), accept

Sceptic

D E C L A R A T I O N

regarding developmet, producing, selling and use of different kind of LRL (Long Range Locator) devices

1.

In order to protect the technically uninformed potential customers of different LRL devices from the consequences of the purchase or harmful use, to give him give a second opinion, different from the promotional claims of manufacturers and sellers, we the signatories of this declaration declare as follows:

We do:

- we do support any research and developments in fields of LRL,

- we do support scientificaly based testing of LRL assemblies and devices,

- we do support field testing use of DIY LRL devices if this do not lead to unsubstantiated claims of its working capabilities,

- we do support an open exchange of experiences and technical data between members of the Forum on LRL experiments, where they are described technically correct and are not equipped with unproven claims.

We do not:

- we do not support production of LRL creatinos whose work has not been scientifically proven for the market,

- do not support the sale of of LRL-s whose work has not been scientifically proven and specifically condemn the sale of such LRL creatinos at usurious prices,

- we do not support and condemn unargued marketing claims regarding LRL working capabilities, if claims are not scientifically proved and verified,

- we do not support and reject hidden promotional practices in forms of lay tests that do not follow the fundamental conditions of scientific testing or free unargued claims or about cases of operating LRL or LRL advocacy.

2.

Each LRL creation will be considered as non-working until its operation will not be shown on the reproducible and scientifically justified means of testing.

3.

List of devices whose operation will be according to the majority of the signatories of the Sceptic Declaration approved on the basis of relevant scientific tests, will be published in the introduction to Remote Sensing Forum and updated in real time.

Separate reservations and views of the skeptical signatories will be added to the majority opinion.

4.

All forum members who agree with its principles can join the Sceptic Declarations.

To one accede to the Sceptic Declaration is sufficient to post here their consent.

5.

For each member of the declaration is in force with his statement that he agrees with it.

[J_Player]

Hi WM6,

I found this LRL that says ok by double blind test.
Is this one ok to pass the requirements of your declaration?

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Is this one ok to pass the requirements of your declaration?

After triple totally blind test we are free to say, that your extrasensory creation may fulfil declaration criteria.

Please send us:
- verified B/W schematic,
- Greenpiss certificate and
- tax fee in amount of $11,250.

This is all. You received in return certificate of ScepticD suitability.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by WM6

After triple totally blind test we are free to say, that your extrasensory creation may fulfil declaration criteria.

Please send us:
- verified B/W schematic,
- Greenpiss certificate and
- tax fee in amount of $11,250.

This is all. You received in return certificate of ScepticD suitability.

Hi WM6,
This is not my creation.
I do not have a schematic to send to you.
I do not have a certificate to send to you.
I do not have $11,250 to send to you.


I was only asking if it is ok to pass the requirements of your declaration.
Is the answer yes or no?

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Originally Posted by J_Player

I was only asking if it is ok to pass the requirements of your declaration.
Is the answer yes or no?

Sorry J_P, No, it must be upgraded to left handed scientific calculator for suitability.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by WM6

Sorry J_P, No, it must be upgraded to left handed scientific calculator for suitability.

Hi WM6,

Thank you for the answer. I was noticing in your declarations:

- we do not support and condemn unargued marketing claims regarding LRL working capabilities, if claims are not scientifically proved and verified,

- we do support scientificaly based testing of LRL assemblies and devices,

The advertisement I found fully discloses all marketing claims regarding the LRL working capabilities, and a scientifically based double blind testing guarantee is stated for this product.

You invited "LRL believers" to join your skeptic declarations to protect human rights. I am wondering why an "LRL believer" would join an organization that does not permit products which appear to conform to your declaration requirements, and require sending large amounts of tax fee money to you before a product will be certified acceptable to your standards. I am also wondering why any "LRL non-believer" would want to join such an organization.

It seems to me that any organization that operates under these principles does not protect human rights.
It takes away human rights and people's money in exchange for certificates.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Originally Posted by J_Player

It seems to me that any organization that operates under these principles does not protect human rights, it takes away human rights and people's money in exchange for certificates.

Hi J_P

we are non-profit organisation. All money obtained will be given to compensate naive buyers, which was plundered by your business partner Rangertell.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by WM6

Hi J_P

we are non-profit organisation. All money obtained will be given to compensate naive buyers, which was plundered by your business partner Rangertell.

I see.

Who does "we" consist of at the moment?

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Originally Posted by J_Player

I see.

Who does "we" consist of at the moment?

Best wishes,
J_P

Still secret at the moment but we detect at remote a huge interest.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by WM6

Still secret at the moment but we detect at remote a huge interest.

Ah...
Now I understand. You are inviting LRL believers to join your secret organization that will extract large tax fees from LRL manufacturers and send them to you. After you receive the money, you will redistribute it to naive buyers. I am sure many LRL believers will be anxious to join your secret organization since they only need to agree with all your declarations to become a member.

One other question:
Will the naive buyers who receive this money also be kept secret?

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Originally Posted by J_Player

One other question:
Will the naive buyers who receive this money also be kept secret?

For sure, we guarentee to keep in secrecy all personal data.

Can you imagine that refound in amount of $9,980 to your sister Naomi Player to be posted here, and then all hunters will know how she is naive?

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by WM6

For sure, we guarentee to keep in secrecy all personal data.

Can you imagine that refound in amount of $9,980 to your sister Naomi Player to be posted here, and then all hunters will know how she is naive?

No, I cannot imagine it happening.
For one I have no sister that bought any LRL.
Secondly I have no reason to believe you will be advancing any money you recieve to anyone. Since you will be keeping all alledged recipients of money a secret, nobody will be able to check to see if any money sent to you is advanced to other poeple, or kept in your personal bank account.

But you are also keeping all alledged members of this organization a secret as well.
So nobody can check to see who is a member of this organization that is sending money to you.

Should I also imagine that Esteban, Morgan, hung, Geo, or other LRL believers have secretly joined your organization that extracts money from LRL manufacturers to send to you?


Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Can Mr Stick be stick up everywhere ? If so we could promote it to Dr Stick.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Fred

Can Mr Stick be stick up everywhere ? If so we could promote it to Dr Stick.

I don't know.
The advertisement says it is guaranteed to pass a double blind test as performing equal to other more expensive brands or money is refunded.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Originally Posted by J_Player

But you are also keeping all alledged members of this organization a secret as well.
So nobody can check to see who is a member of this organization that is sending money to you.

Yes because we respect human rights. This is not right question, right question is why you still keeping in secret Examiner test?

Originally Posted by J_Player

Should I also imagine that Esteban, Morgan, hung, Geo, or other LRL believers have secretly joined your organization that extracts money from LRL manufacturers to send to you?

Even Alonso is showing interest but ask first for amnesty.

You really do not recognize Naomi Player as your sister?

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by WM6

Yes because we respect human rights. This is not right question, right question is why you still keeping in secret Examiner test?




Even Alonso is showing interest but ask first for amnesty.

You really do not recognize Naomi Player as your sister?

There are no secret of Examiner tests. The results of preliminary testing I tried has already been disclosed for all to read. I have not started a testing program and I made no scientific tests. Therefore, there is no data to keep secret. But you are welcome to make an appointment to come and perform live tests using your own hands, and I will immediately post videos of what I observe for all to see. No videos of testing will be kept secret. I will also post videos for anyone else who wants to perform live tests. Simply send a PM so we can set up a time.

I see you are claiming many LRL believers are showing interest in your secret organization. Have any skeptics joined?

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Have any skeptics joined?

No, skeptics are skeptic as allways.

[Esteban]

I think not many skeptics wish to sign your declaration. Because more of the skeptics doubt that they are totally skeptical. So the skeptics who doubt their skepticism, they are real skeptical. Those who believe they are 100% skeptics are only for to appear to be logical.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I think not many skeptics wish to sign your declaration. Because more of the skeptics doubt that they are totally skeptical. So the skeptics who doubt their skepticism, they are real skeptical. Those who believe they are 100% skeptics are only for to appear to be logical.

I think Esteban is correct.
I can think of only one other person in this forum besides WM6 who might agree with all his declarations, but I doubt he would join.

Everyone here is skeptical about some things. Both skeptics of LRLs and LRL believers. But few people here have decided that they must sign declarations to freeze their thoughts into a collection of declarations. In fact, I think most people like to be able to change their thinking as new information becomes available.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

I think Esteban is correct.
I can think of only one other person in this forum besides WM6 who might agree with all his declarations, but I doubt he would join.

Everyone here is skeptical about some things. Both skeptics of LRLs and LRL believers. But few people here have decided that they must sign declarations to freeze their thoughts into a collection of declarations. In fact, I think most people like to be able to change their thinking as new information becomes available.

Best wishes,
J_P

You're right. I try to change this extremely skepticism... don't know if I achieve it.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

You're right. I try to change this extremely skepticism... don't know if I achieve it.

Is there a need to change extreme skepticism?
What is wrong with skeptics believing what they believe, and LRL enthusiasts believing what they believe?

Most people are not extreme skeptics, or extreme LRL believers.
And most people will not change what they believe until they see something real happen in front of them to convince them.

If you wanted people to really believe, then you could show them an easy way to experience something real that they can watch right in front of them using thier own hands to see for themselves. Otherwise you are making a lot of effort with words and stories that don't convince people.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I think not many skeptics wish to sign your declaration. Because more of the skeptics doubt that they are totally skeptical. So the skeptics who doubt their skepticism, they are real skeptical. Those who believe they are 100% skeptics are only for to appear to be logical.

I agree with that Esteban.
My definition of a sceptic (here ): someone waiting to be convinced

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Fred

I agree with that Esteban.
My definition of a sceptic (here ): someone waiting to be convinced

Very true! This also is a hard job, even if they see with is own eyes... even persists doubts, very difficult to live with doubts.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Is there a need to change extreme skepticism?
What is wrong with skeptics believing what they believe, and LRL enthusiasts believing what they believe?

Most people are not extreme skeptics, or extreme LRL believers.
And most people will not change what they believe until they see something real happen in front of them to convince them.

If you wanted people to really believe, then you could show them an easy way to experience something real that they can watch right in front of them using thier own hands to see for themselves. Otherwise you are making a lot of effort with words and stories that don't convince people.

Best wishes,
J_P

Also I'm very skeptical toward some LRL devices. When I sketched some ideas, come me the skepticism too, because the only way I have is test such devices in real field.