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10-06-2011, 03:21 PM
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My thoughts on Divining
Divination(from Latin divinare "to foresee, to be inspired by a god",
The Earth is alive and has onion type layers. The elements that we know of all have a different weight, for example lead sinks in water. If the earth was perfect, every element would be in its relative layer. But because of other influences like the moon which causes tides and other planets it isn’t perfect and now and then gets a pimple or volcano in an attempt to balanceitself out. Mining uses the outer crust. I studied electronics and went gold prospecting in Blackwood. The gold I found was in what’s called a secondary or placer deposit. A gold reef inside a hill is the primary deposit. A secondary deposit is formed over thousands of years of corrosion of the earth’s crust with the gold slowly breaking away and flowing under gravity into steams with the other dirt and rocks. Gold nuggets can be classified by how rounded they are. This shows how far from a primary reef they have travelled down a creek or river. Modern day miners drill the earth to get core samples of gold deposits. Then study these to see where to mine. The secondary deposit i found was difficult to mine as the gold had eroded into the stream a long time ago and had been covered by around 10 meters of thick clay. The problem I faced was a modern detector will only penetrate 50cm max so although there were huge nuggets (football size 200 oz.) underneath me although finding them at 10 meters would be extremely difficult task. The nuggets are worth chasing 200oz@$1500/oz = $300,000each. Being trained in electronics we mainly deal in mass electron flow (current) with random spurts of electrons (static) being avoided because it can damage circuits. So I was basically trained in what’s known as Newtonian Philosophy after Sir Isaac Newton. Being trained in this way I always saw divining as a load of crap and placed it with witchcraft. But I was always on the lookout for an idea to find those deep nuggets still lying in the now underground stream. It’s wasn’t until years later that I dropped into a mates place to find him and another mate with beer in hand trying to find a spot for a water bore. I laughed at first so they said give it a go. I picked up the two L rods took two steps and they crossed over. I yelled out hey there’s something here, they said yeh your on the telephone (copper wire) line. I said this would be good if you could go for gold and my mate said you can just hold gold. So I had found a deep seeking detection system that finds not only water but also metals. Now I think it’s always best to try and understand something to look back in history. The earliest evidence that I’ve seen of divining is actually here in WA in the form of 30,000 year old rock art known as the Bradshaw paintings. These paintings are in the Kimberley’s and this was probably sketched to teach the next generation skills in finding water for survival. It also shows how to find the depth. Interesting too there’s another painting in this series of how they used to find people in the bush using divining. So where was I, oh yeh history sorry had a coffee break, ok so people have known how to do this to search for water for a long time. Pending on your religion you may or may not believe in evolution but the basic idea is that humans evolved from the sea which isn’t really that important just keep it in mind. Sorry but this gets a bit religious for a while. Divining and the bible - On the one hand, verses like Deuteronomy 18:10-12 clearly forbid any acts of divination, describing them as something detestable to God. Leviticus 19:26 says "You must not practice either divination or soothsaying." But Exodus 28 gives members of the priestly class the use the Urim and Thummim to divine the will of Yahweh before times of sacrifice. Now we’ll go forward to say the times of Jesus BC-AD and the Christian calendar. It’s well said that Jesus was a divine person. But what do they mean? Well he was a diviner and taught divining. Here’s luke5 1-11 modern version One day as Jesus was standing by the Lake of Gennesaret,[a] the people were crowding around him and listening to the word of God. 2 He saw at the water’s edge two boats, left there by the fishermen, who were washing their nets. 3 He got into one of the boats, the one belonging to Simon, and asked him to put out a little from shore. Then he sat down and taught the people from the boat. 4 When he had finished speaking, he said to Simon, “Put out into deep water, and let down the nets for a catch.” 5 Simon answered, “Master, we’ve worked hard all night and haven’t caught anything. But because you say so, I will let down the nets.” 6 When they had done so, they caught such a large number of fish that their nets began to break. 7 So they signaled their partners in the other boat to come and help them, and they came and filled both boats so full that they began to sink. 8 When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus’ knees and said, “Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!” 9 For he and all his companions were astonished at the catch of fish they had taken, 10 and so were James and John, the sons of Zebedee, Simon’s partners. Then Jesus said to Simon, “Don’t be afraid; from now on you will fish for people.” 11 So they pulled their boats up on shore, left everything and followed him. Ok so he taught something, what’s missing is how or what he taught. Basically it’s a fish detection method where you cut the tail of a fish and by holding the tail by the extreme ends and pointing the backbone towards the water you can divine schools of fish. So why is this bit of such important info not included? Jump forward in time to say 1200-1300AD with priests and pimples, churches and monetary systems. Around this time religious scholars and other religious fruitcakes had a huge expansion of writing and (printing). For years religious scholars had to write copies of books to duplicate them. Around this time the invention of the screw press used to make olive oil was converted to a printing press. First porno mags? These new copies of books were at the forefront of technology and the churches wanted them at all costs to mass produce the word of God and also make a lot of money. Did you know that the Bible is the most printed book in the world? To make the printing job easier the old bible was tested against the then known scientific knowledge (electricity had no explanation) so the scholars, who thought that they were greater messiahs than Jesus edited out the teachings from the word of god. Without a viable explanation of how divining worked, divining stood no chance, and was edited from the bible. It made the printing job easier too (less pages same price). Although divining still worked it became known as the work of the DEVIL. It wasn’t until around 1600AD that theories of electricity were announced but by that stage the bible had been simplified for mass press production and divining had faded away. Hey by the way do you know what priests and pimples have in common? **************************************** In medieval times when a new town was to be built often a person with magic like powers would be called in to find a source of water for the town, known as a Sorcerer and finding water by using a forked branch from a hazel tree is called witching for water. Unfortunately there was so much money to be made selling and printing bibles that for anyone found witching the punishment was hanging and/or burning. Divination was considered a pagan practice in the early Christian church. Later the church would pass canon laws forbidding the practice of divination. In 692 the Quinisext Council, also known as the Council in Trullo in the Eastern Orthodox Church, passed canons to eliminate pagan and divination practices.Acts 16:16[6] Soothsaying and forms of divination were widespread through the Middle Ages. In the constitution of 1572 and public regulations of 1661 of Kur-Saxony, capital punishment was used on those predicting the future.[7] Laws forbidding divination practice continue to this day.[8] Ok what causes it? In physics - there’s basically three forces that hold matter together strong medium and week. Strong forces - hold atoms together medium forces - holds molecules together week forces - just cruise around causing a bit of attraction here and there but don’t last long (like static) also radiation is divided into 3 types - alpha, beta and gamma rays . Now if you try and divine a stream with L rods you will find that as you approach the stream the wires will come together slowly and can easily be pulled apart which points towards a week force. Causes of static electricity Normally, materials are made of atoms and molecules that are electrically neutral, having an equal number of positive charges (protons in the nucleus) and negative charges (electrons in "shells" surrounding the nucleus). The phenomenon of static electricity requires a separation of positive and negative charges. When two materials are in contact, electrons may move from one material to the other, which leaves an excess of positive charge on one material, and an equal negative charge on the other. When the materials are separated they retain this charge imbalance. Contact-induced charge separation Triboelectric effect Electrons can be exchanged between materials on contact; materials with weakly bound electrons tend to lose them, while materials with sparsely filled outer shells tend to gain them. This is known as the triboelectric effect and results in one material becoming positively charged and the other negatively charged. The polarity and strength of the charge on a material once they are separated depends on their relative positions in the triboelectric series. The triboelectric effect is the main cause of static electricity as observed in everyday life, and in common high-school science demonstrations involving rubbing different materials together (e.g., fur against an acrylic rod). Contact-induced charge separation causes your hair to stand up and causes "static cling" (for example, a balloon rubbed against the hair becomes negatively charged; when near a wall, the charged balloon is attracted to positively charged particles in the wall, and can "cling" to it, appearing to be suspended against gravity). Triboelectric series: Most positively charged + Air Human skin Leather Rabbit's fur Glass Quartz Mica Human hair Nylon Wool Lead Cat's fur Silk Aluminium Paper (Small positive charge) Cotton (No charge) 0 Steel (No charge) Wood (Small negative charge) Lucite Amber Sealing wax Acrylic Polystyrene Rubber balloon Resins Hard rubber Nickel, Copper Sulfur Brass, Silver Gold, Platinum Acetate, Rayon Synthetic rubber Polyester Styrene (Styrofoam) Orlon Plastic wrap Polyurethane Polyethylene (like Scotch tape) Polypropylene Vinyl (PVC) Silicon Teflon Silicone rubber Ebonite − Most negatively charged ******Take note that Ebonite is the most negatively charged***** Week forces are caused by beta particles (single electrons) cruising around and is a touch different to electron current in say a power cord. Materials have a certain ability or inability to take in these electrons or not take them in. Hair standing up is a good example - produced when two materials are rubbed together and drop or take in electrons. The simple explanation for the rods is that they behave like static magnets when you come near a stream normally our hands are at the same potential (the human body is naturally electrically balanced) so the rods stay apart and when you go near water the electrostatic induction which you can’t see, causes voltages in the rods causing static attraction and the rods come together. GOOGLE - Electrostatic induction (images) Also google a static motor. The method of how deep the water is depends on the depth, for shallow creeks the triangle method applies - you basically walk across the top and where the rods cross is one side of the creek and where they come apart is the other side of the creek. If you can imagine a triangle all angles the same going into the ground you can calculate the depth. But other methods are required for deeper water this is where some people stuff up. If you’re using L rods you can even find out which way the water is flowing by waiting until the rods cross so you’re in the middle of the stream then stick one of the rods into the ground and the other rod will act like a compass and point downstream. Where I used to go for gold in Blackwood there was a lot of reefs of gold and the gold is held in veins within Quartz. These veins are formed when the rock cracked millions of years ago under pressure and are called fault lines or fissures. This vein cause slight voltage changes between the quartz and gold and gets picked up by a divining rod and trained diviner. Old timers used to stick an old type of coin in their mouths when over the water- Good taste means good water bad taste means bad water. There are also different types of rods for different types of divining. These came from a mine near Blackwood. Different types of divining pendulums Have you ever had the feeling of suddenly thinking of someone you haven’t heard of for ages then next minute or day the phone rings and it’s that person? Here’s an interesting thing I read in my research American Indians when hunting Buffalo would be away from their main camp for days at great distances. If a tribal member wanted to communicate to the hunters they would go to a specially prepared bark hut and meditate to release a signal to the hunter. The hunter could then in turn pick up the signal and return to camp. No doubt you’ve heard of soul mates but did you know that when two people sleep together each emits radiation and in turn each receives a dose of radiation. The thought patterns during sleep stimulate the radiation pattern so an explanation for soul mates having an uncanny sense of knowing what the other is thinking may not be uncanny at all, as they may have communicated during their sleep. Humans naturally emit radiation through our skin and naturally pick up signals through our skin and hair. If you look at the hair on your body each one is like a miniature television station transmission and receiving tower. This all gets hooked up into a really cool part of the brain called the hypothalamus which is where our conciseness starts, also psy has a lot to do with this part of the brain, this is why people who are considered psychic can see things others can’t they block out the other senses and switch on their hair and skin through their hypothalamus to their brain and can sense things at huge distances via the static signals touching their bodies. If you look at a gypsies trying to look into a crystal ball, Ha, I have to laugh at all the people who have bought crystal balls and not got the other half (A SILK SHEET) I think most of them have just smoked way too much dope. When someone tries to look into a crystal ball their basically using their hands to pick up the static signals. But you have to charge up the crystal ball first before use with a silk cloth. Like when you rub say your foot along the carpet and then touch someone to give them a static zap. The crystal ball will if charged the correct way drags in static signals thereby amplifying them just like an antenna does for tv. A similar thing is when people place their hands together to pray and the hypothalamus is put to use. The phenomena is known as E.S.P Extra Sensory Perception but there’s nothing extra about it everyone has it It’s just some/most people have been trained that it’s bull**** and the work of the devil or if they are praying to God then it’s ok and they are sweet little angles. Divining play games - Have you heard of Ouija boards? Used to contact the…. dead? etc. They use static. Yeh anyway where was I ? Oh yeh gold nuggets this will probably freak you out! Just after my mates showed me that divining works in Qld Three women went missing presumed dead in the area The killer was captured but would never reveal where the bodies where and a offer of $25,000 was offered by the police for each body. In my research I read about a guy who could track people down by just a photo and using a divining pendulum. The book is called Divining by Christopher Bird. And the pendulum was made out of ebonite. So as I was going out prospecting anyway I decided I would give it a go. Hey a body worth $25,000 is like a gold nugget worth $25,000. Or, so I thought. I printed of one of the women’s photo from the internet and got a fairly good topographical map of the area. Then from the back of the shop I tried to divine her. I got a spot on the map direction, distance etc from where I was. Strangely that night I had a dream with someone speaking to me in some other language saying big tall trees. A week or so went by before I got time off from work. So I jumped into my new jeep and drove out into the jungle I came to a T intersection got out and divined again and got a distance of 513 meters to the left of the T intersection. So I jumped into the jeep which had a really cool distance counter on it so I drove 513. I was driving through young forest that had previously been logged about 20 year ago and as the counter came to around 500mtr I started rounding a corner the jungle turned into an old growth forest with big tall trees. I drove on a bit before turning the car around and parked just near the corner, got out and divined again. I got a signal at 17 meters downhill to the left, so I walked down the road 15meters and into the jungle 15meters as I walked in I spotted what looked to me like old gold diggings with white quarts on top of the soil I actually forgot for a moment what I was looking for and started getting the gold bug again. With soil you can tell if it has been turned over if the quartz rock is on the top. I walked over and stood on top of this pile of dirt 10ft by about 3 - 4 ft in the middle of the jungle then I turned as white as a ghost as I realized that I was probably standing on top of a grave. I jumped from there and ran so fast with fear though the jungle to the car and drove away and never went back there again. I’ve seen on the internet people who do that for a living and have gone out to old country towns to hills that don’t have any markings at all and they can not only tell where the cemetery is they can also say with great accuracy where and who is buried below . I did see a show on T.V. called Sensing Murder where a New Zealand guy divined a person across the world. These Zener cards are used to test and train diviners psychic ability You place the cards upside down then place your hand over them and try to visualize them through the static fields coming through your hand and into your brain via the hypothalamus. This guy from NZ had a photo in an envelope placed on the table. He didn’t even put his hand near the envelope and still described the photo then the person’s name and that he was dead. They then opened the envelope and showed him the photo. He then went to a globe of the earth and spun it with a pendulum in one hand and as he got near the Middle East he slowed the globe and the pendulum started spinning over one place. He said there that’s where he died. Anyway that’s enough of this week’s edition of divining. Last edited by Qiaozhi; 10-06-2011 at 03:31 PM. Reason: Removed pornographic reference. 
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10-06-2011, 03:37 PM
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Well ... you started off on the right track. But it then appears you spent too much time drinking at your mate's place.  Also, please try to avoid the religious stuff, and do not post pornographic references (which have been removed from your post). We are here to discuss the technical aspects of treasure hunting technology, not to debate religious issues.
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10-06-2011, 04:54 PM
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10-08-2011, 07:56 AM
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At first this seemed like a silly thread, until I discovered the good parts....
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And what better way to enjoy an ice cold refreshing beer than to tell true stories from fishing excursions? Best wishes, J_P
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10-08-2011, 03:10 PM
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Yeh Right! Wonket!
Hey JP If your so friggin good at being out in the wilderness catching massive trout/salmon HOW COME YOU NEVER LEAVE YOU'RE COMPUTER? Oh don't tell me you take you're computer to Alaska with a sat link and your actually the person in this photo.
Or was this You 50 years ago and now your just old and cranky at the world for what you COULD HAVE BEEN.
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10-09-2011, 05:08 AM
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Hi J_P. True stories from fishing excursions????  The loke of the day Regards 
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