Question for Carl Moreland

[Zocky-Zocky]

Hi Carl!
Please answer me the following question:
In its Report on LRL device H3Tec you wrote the following:

"For gold, you will find that the NMR frequency is 1.754000MHz, and that this entry includes the statement "relative to 1H = 100 (MHz)". What this means is that whatever conditions produce an NMR frequency of 100MHz for hydrogen will produce an NMR frequency of 1.754MHz for gold. It turns out the NMR frequency for any given element is dependent on the applied (or ambient) magnetic field the element is exposed to. To make hydrogen precess at 100MHz requires a field strength of roughly 2.35 Teslas (T), so this becomes the reference field strength for all other elements. The NMR frequency is proportional to the magnetic field, so a field strength of 4.7T will result in an NMR frequency of 200MHz for hydrogen.
In treasure hunting, we are looking for e.g. buried gold that is subjected to the Earth's natural magnetic field. This varies from place-to-place, but 50 microTeslas (uT) is a fair average strength. So the reference field strength of 2.35T is a whopping 47,000 times stronger than the Earth's field. Working the other way, we can find that the NMR frequency of hydrogen exposed to the Earth's field is a mere 2.13kHz. Gold, with an NMR frequency of 1.754MHz at 2.35T, will have an NMR frequency of only 37Hz or so at 50uT."


The question is:
Please write a mathematical procedure or formula that you got that gold has frequency of 37 hertz magnetic influence of the earth from an average of 0.5 micro Tesla.

End:
If gold is then frekfrenciju of 37 hertz, how much, due to the influence of the earth's magnetic field of 0.5 mT, then had the following metals:
- Silver
- Copper,
- Lead and
- Iron?

Carl!
Most beautiful you please answer my questions!
Thank in advance!
Your admirer
Zocky-Zocky

[hung]

Hi Zocky,
Well, I'm not Carl but I might contribute somehow to your doubts.

So (one more) of his 'useful' reports, in restless efforts trying to explain what he does not understand and then... explaining what he cannot explain...
Humm... Is it a bit clear?
I did not bother to read what he has written and never will. But I did read a little portion you posted and it's enough for me.
Despite of what he might have written or not written, as far as I know, the H3Tec is being used right now to prospect for oil and being demonstrated to oil companies. Their users apparently have no complaints whatsoever as the H3 forum demonstrates. So...
What Carl has written might be of only significance to his peers of skeps. Even a non user would never take his word for granted and would have his/her own conclusions.
And guess what? That's what I exactly did! Several years ago I found his report of the Rangertell in which he strongly stated it was a scam and would never find anything.

Well, I built it, thanks to the pics in his report.
First thing I noticed was 'some force' making the antenna swing according to numbers I was entering in the calculator keypads. Then I found some frequencies in the internet.
The big test came when I was on a trip to a relative's house. My wife's cousin told me he had lost his silver ring in a soccer field and asked if I could try to find it. At that time I still did not know the codes to limit detection distances what usually saves a lot of time. I only entered the frequency for silver. I found his ring and proved that Carl either was lying or had no idea on how the device worked. I'd rather prefer to believe in the second possibility.
After that, I have also built two more of the devices he claims not working in his 'reports'. All them worked.
Art Flowers from TNET tried 7 devices that are featured in his 'reports' as non working. He also reports all of them worked for him.
So, understand now why I will never bother to read his latest 'report'?

Now, answering your question, what Carl writes tough correct from a certain point of view, has nothing to do with the way the H3tec works.
But I will just offer you some food for thought without going into the physics about it with a much simpler query that might serve you to understand a bigger picture.

Suppose three glasses of water the same type and size. One is completely filled with the water. The second one only ¾ and the third one, is only filled half. You place one each time inside a microwave oven. Provided the magnetometer's frequency is the same in all cases, do you think the water will not boil in any of the three cases?

Think about it.
Have a nice day.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

I did not bother to read what he has written and never will. But I did read a little portion you posted and it's enough for me.

And this is why you will never learn anything useful.

Originally Posted by hung

Despite of what he might have written or not written, as far as I know, the H3Tec is being used right now to prospect for oil and being demonstrated to oil companies. Their users apparently have no complaints whatsoever as the H3 forum demonstrates. So...

In other words, you have no idea whether it is being successfully used or not. Your comments are simply based on supposition.

Originally Posted by hung

What Carl has written might be of only significance to his peers of skeps. Even a non user would never take his word for granted and would have his/her own conclusions.
And guess what? That's what I exactly did! Several years ago I found his report of the Rangertell in which he strongly stated it was a scam and would never find anything.

Rest assured, the RangerTell is a scam. How you can talk seriously about a cheap calculator, glued onto a plastic box of do-nothing electronics, and attached to a swivel handle, is beyond comprehension. You are easily fooled by even the simplest of hoaxes. Please do not try to fool Zocky-Zocky with the same nonsense.

Originally Posted by hung

Well, I built it, thanks to the pics in his report.
First thing I noticed was 'some force' making the antenna swing according to numbers I was entering in the calculator keypads.

Some people just cannot break away from the self-delusion of dowsing. Yes, the ideomotor effect is quite compelling, but it is all in the mind. If you want to hunt for treasure, forget these mystical toys and buy a professional metal detector. Not one that is advertised as detecting gold from kilometers away or tens of meters deep.

Originally Posted by hung

Then I found some frequencies in the internet.

Frequencies which are completely useless in practice, as they do absolutely nothing.

Originally Posted by hung

The big test came when I was on a trip to a relative's house. My wife's cousin told me he had lost his silver ring in a soccer field and asked if I could try to find it. At that time I still did not know the codes to limit detection distances what usually saves a lot of time. I only entered the frequency for silver. I found his ring and proved that Carl either was lying or had no idea on how the device worked.

This is hearsay, and does not constitute evidence.

Originally Posted by hung

Suppose three glasses of water the same type and size. One is completely filled with the water. The second one only ¾ and the third one, is only filled half. You place one each time inside a microwave oven. Provided the magnetometer's frequency is the same in all cases, do you think the water will not boil in any of the three cases?

Before trying to impress us with your "mind the size of a planet", try to get your facts right first. A microwave use a magnetron to heat the items inside, NOT a magnetometer. Doh!

[hung]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

A microwave use a magnetron to heat the items inside, NOT a magnetometer.

That's right. My mistake when typing as I did not make a revision of the post.
But for someone like you who thinks acupuncture is voodoo and have problems with polarity in electolytic capacitors, this won't make much difference really.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

That's right. My mistake when typing as I did not make a revision of the post.
But for someone like you who thinks acupuncture is voodoo and have problems with polarity in electolytic capacitors, this won't make much difference really.

You need to think before typing. The correct term is "electrolytic".
Have you googled "magnetron" yet, to get a better understanding of what your talking about next time?

[WM6]

If dr. Hung was knowledgeable man, as he present himself, he would solve his scientific reputacy by correction in this formulation:

Provided the micrometer's frequency is the same in all cases, do you think the water will not boil in any of the three cases?

Regretfully in false science micro and magneto are the same thing.

[Rudy]

That's what I like about Dr. Hung. He never lets the preponderance of facts stand in his way. And if he can't surmount them he will change the subject.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by Zocky-Zocky

The question is:
Please write a mathematical procedure or formula that you got that gold has frequency of 37 hertz magnetic influence of the earth from an average of 0.5 micro Tesla.

End:
If gold is then frekfrenciju of 37 hertz, how much, due to the influence of the earth's magnetic field of 0.5 mT, then had the following metals:
- Silver
- Copper,
- Lead and
- Iron?

I'll assume you meant 50uT for Earth field... the equation is simply:



Gold = 37.32 Hz
Silver[107] = 86.15 Hz
Silver[109] = 99.02 Hz
Copper[63] = 564.15 Hz
Copper[65] = 604.34 Hz
Lead = 445.13 Hz
Iron = 68.89 Hz

[Zocky-Zocky]

Oh, yeah! That's it!
Carl, thank you very mach!
Best regards!
Zocky-Zocky

[vali]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

You need to think before typing. The correct term is "electrolytic".
Have you googled "magnetron" yet, to get a better understanding of what your talking about next time?

HELLO TO ALL
NO ONE FROM THE FRQUENCES to give news will say no ???
I ,agte with you wm6

regards vali

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by vali

HELLO TO ALL
NO ONE FROM THE FRQUENCES to give news will say no ???
I ,agte with you wm6

regards vali

[vali]

HI

I'm not into English, please forgive me.. I and the Turkish, Persian, Arabic and some Russian

regards vali

[hung]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

I'll assume you meant 50uT for Earth field... the equation is simply:



Gold = 37.32 Hz
Silver[107] = 86.15 Hz
Silver[109] = 99.02 Hz
Copper[63] = 564.15 Hz
Copper[65] = 604.34 Hz
Lead = 445.13 Hz
Iron = 68.89 Hz

This is incorrect.
The Earth's magnetic field is variable and not fixed.
The value of 50uT is just a figure out of many inside a huge interval.

Hence, no need to tell that all the frequencies above fall apart.
What makes no difference anyway as this is not the way frequencies are estimated in the case of LRLs.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by hung

This is incorrect.
The Earth's magnetic field is variable and not fixed.
The value of 50uT is just a figure out of many inside a huge interval.

Hence, no need to tell that all the frequencies above fall apart.
What makes no difference anyway as this is not the way frequencies are estimated in the case of LRLs.

This is correct.
Non working devices - no problem with variable Earth magnetic field.
This is solution incorporated in mineoro funny fake Hi-Tech creations.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

This is incorrect.
The Earth's magnetic field is variable and not fixed.
The value of 50uT is just a figure out of many inside a huge interval.

Hence, no need to tell that all the frequencies above fall apart.
What makes no difference anyway as this is not the way frequencies are estimated in the case of LRLs.

As you said earlier ... "I did not bother to read what he has written and never will. But I did read a little portion you posted and it's enough for me."

If you had bothered to read it, you would have known that this statement ("The Earth's magnetic field is variable and not fixed.") has already been made.
Please try to keep up with the discussion.
Or perhaps you've been too busy trying to understand the difference between a magnetometer and a magnetron.

Also, the second part of your post is also incorrect with regard to the claims of the H3tec device, which is the point of this particular discussion; not the fictitious inner working of the RangerTell Examiner or the Hung [greatly improved and awesome] Examiner2.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

If you had bothered to read it, you would have known that this statement ("The Earth's magnetic field is variable and not fixed.") has already been made.

I see...And despite of that he posts the 'frequencies' above?
In that report he also insists that resistance is an absolute value too?

Thanks, I don't need to read Mad magazine to know what to expect.


PS. Besides being the 'administrator' you are also his talking puppet?

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

I see...And despite of that he posts the 'frequencies' above?

It was in response to the question from Zocky-Zocky, where he asked for the frequencies at an average value of 50uT ... or did you miss that as well?

Originally Posted by hung

PS. Besides being the 'administrator' you are also his talking puppet?

Actually, it was you that replied to Zocky-Zocky's question, which was specifically addressed to Carl. I was replying to the nonsense that you posted.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by hung

I see...And despite of that he posts the 'frequencies' above?

He wanted the general equation, plus frequencies specifically for 50uT (assuming 0.5 was a typo). I gave him both. Was the equation or any of the frequencies wrong?

[Tepco]

Now, this is just over the top really. Lawyers are very strange form of life on Earth (and beyond), i just get US 7750634 (H3Tec), and i have to say this is one of the most pointless texts i have chance to read so far (ok. USPTO have lot to offer, but this is among top ten for sure).

Frequencies given on page 19 are in MHz, not Hz, (and referenced to 2.3487 T field) it is easy to miss 6 orders of magnitude, just happens sometime. Nice figures of PCB, whit silkscreen and all, for something that can be cable modem or development system or...never mind. It uses "DSP processor chip, such as an AD 9850 chip in the SHARC series of chips produced by Analog Devices" (p.20), and "the frequency generator may be a chip such as an AD9850-CMOS, 125MHz Complete DDS Synthesizer manufactured by Analog Devices" (p.21). Somewhat unusual design choice, maybe just typo, or someone at AD drinks too much. But this is minor issue. Then goes this:

"The detection module uses the generated signal to create an excitation field and then may monitor for a corresponding elemental response coming from the target substance" (p.20) Nice, it can create very small intensity rapidly diminishing electric field between rods, EM radiation at these low frequencies will take something sized like submarine communication facility. Maybe ten miles long dowsing rod can help, not exactly handheld, but who care...NMR stuff not working like this anyway! In this patent, one small secret is undisclosed, part of circuit that will:

A. Produce switchable homogenous magnetic field of couple thousand Gauss over large area, to be used as a "polarizing field", or
B. Some controlled method to turn off Earth's own magnetism, and then listen to precession frequency.
(and, naturally, even then thing will not work)

And so on... What is the average cost of US patent procedure anyway? (I need sponsors to patent WARP drive, but i guess guys at USPTO already have few dozens )

Things like this will never end, ignorance is unbeatable, and its abundance starts to frighten me. Code red: C.R.A.P.

[Carl-NC]

Yeah, the AD9850 is not a SHARC chip. That's just minor evidence of guilt. The patent includes much better evidence than that.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

He wanted the general equation, plus frequencies specifically for 50uT (assuming 0.5 was a typo). I gave him both. Was the equation or any of the frequencies wrong?

When the initial concept is wrong, then the rest is just pointless.
You insist in using brute magnetic NMR to explain what happens to MFD type LRLs. This is non sense.
NMR can be achieved by other means such as optical NMR and circularly polarized RF beam.
In the case of this 'pumped' RF beam, NMR is achieved much more effectively because besides requiring very low homogeinity unlike the brute magnet aproach, it acts as the magnetizing agent interacting with the spinor of the electron. What trully happens in this case and in the resonance in the MFD's case is a kind of 'zeeman' effect. A radio frequency induced optical zeeman effect from one electron. This allows to get out of the H 100Mhz range in the standard concept.

Over TNET, I posted some unusual magnetic behavior in factual cases. You seem to have ignored it and did not understand what was going on. Your loss.
Understand now why I will never waste my time to read your report about the H3tec? What for?

PS.

In treasure hunting, we are looking for e.g. buried gold that is subjected to the Earth's natural magnetic field. This varies from place-to-place, but 50 microTeslas (uT) is a fair average strength.

It's not only variable in space. But in time also.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by hung

W
.
Understand now why I will never waste my time to read your report about the H3tec? What for?

But you are willing to waste your life to promote and defend, on fake science based, funny mineoro crappy boxes. I understand "what for": for many.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by hung

You insist in using brute magnetic NMR to explain what happens to MFD type LRLs. This is non sense.

No, I don't. Other people do, such as Chuckie, but not me. NMR has nothing to do with LRLs.

NMR can be achieved by other means such as optical NMR and circularly polarized RF beam.

Doesn't matter how you achieve precession, the equation still applies. Also the end frequencies for a given ambient magnetic field. If this were not true, then proton precession magnetometers would not work.

If you don't like my answer to Zocky, you are free to provide a better answer instead of complaining about mine.

[Tim Williams]

Carl is right. Use the formula and calculate from this site using different magnetic fields.

http://nmr.magnet.fsu.edu/resources/nuclei/Au.htm

Tim

[hung]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

NMR has nothing to do with LRLs.

It does for MFD type LRLs.
Not the way you think.
And much more than you think.

Doesn't matter how you achieve precession, the equation still applies.

No. It's well different for RF NMR.

F(res)= 1.532 x 10 power + 25 I / om (squared)

F(res)=probe resonance angular frequency
om = pump angular frequency
I = pump intensity(watts per square meter)