Knouzm in Brazil

[hung]

Hey, guess what? I just found that Knouzm has now a representative in Brazil.
I called and convinced him to go out to test the baby bellow which he sells.

http://knouzm.net/en/dis-300.html

I don't think I will have time to travel to another state just to do this , so I will contact one of my team members who live closer to know if he can do it.
I asked the representative to receive the manual in my email. Price is 'bitter' like any Knouzm.

[hung]

Very interesting.
I just read the manual and it works by temperature comparisons. That is, this device is a digital infrared thermometer which measure soil/ground temperatures related to royal, noble metals which absorb heat and get warmer than the surrounding soil environment.

It pocesses several laser beam patterns. What it does is that when pointed to a target, the infra red thermometer lens focus the energy colected onto a sensor. Then, this is translated into a voltage signal which is directly proportional to the received energy amount. This is all done by an internal microprocessor which displays values which guide the user to know the target's location and the depth it might be.
For caves, the opposite is performed, which gives a lower temperature then the average surrounding.

You turn the detector on , measure the temp in 4 directions, (N, S, E, W) and then with this computed value you start the search.

Although I find very plausible its working method, I have doubts it will work all the time, regarding different soil conditions, but I will try to see if my team member spends an afternoon testing the unit.
If if proves ok, it will be a good mate for my Mineoro, specially because this laser device is supposed to work better at night.

[Morris_jo]

Hi Hung :

i hope you can test this laser device , and get back with the test field results.

i was interested to own a laser device like : Dis-300, i have alot of treasure locations i must test them out .

pls if you have the manual , is it possible to send me a copy ....


Best Regrads

[hung]

Originally Posted by Morris_jo

Hi Hung :

i hope you can test this laser device , and get back with the test field results.

i was interested to own a laser device like : Dis-300, i have alot of treasure locations i must test them out .

pls if you have the manual , is it possible to send me a copy ....


Best Regrads

Alright.
Post your email and I'll send it to you. I found the manual to be more of an advertising brochure than a manual itself. English is bad written and confusing. Anyway my interest on it is also to pile information on the technology necessary for me to make the ionic fields viewable in the field.

Note that this model DS 300 is probably outdated since Kellyco is selling the DS600. I might be wrong tough. Fact is the Knouzm price is so outrageous that I will even bother to mention it.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by hung

Although I find very plausible its working method, I have doubts it will work all the time, regarding different soil conditions, but I will try to see if my team member spends an afternoon testing the unit.
If if proves ok, it will be a good mate for my Mineoro, specially because this laser device is supposed to work better at night.

Trying a new scam angle, eh? No matter how much snake oil you pour on your scam Mineore device, it is still the same ole scam. Only now, it is a oil covered scam.

[J_Player]

The "Laser Gun (DIS 300) device detecting for Gold, Treasures and Caves" is actually an infrared thermometer that appears to be an instrument manufactured by Oakton Instruments in Illinois, or a very close copy of one. Oakton's Infrapro line of infrared thermometers used a laser beam to indicate where the sensor was aimed at, along with a circle of 9 laser beams to define the limits of the spot where the temperature was being sampled. They discontinued this model and returned to a single laser beam to indicate where the sensor is pointed. The new models are the same as the old models, except for the 9 perimeter lasers were removed, and the center laser was changed to a brighter beam. Do you suppose these LRL vendors began selling surplus discontinued inventory at the same time Oakton and other manufactures stopped selling the old units with the "ring of laser beams"? Isnt Knouzm is now marketing a treasure sensing thermometer with a ring of 9 laser lights, with claims that there is a ".g" and a ".c" indicator that tells the presence of gold and caves?

I am familiar with infrared thermometers, as I have used them for years to make preliminary surveys in buildings for warm and cold areas in connection with locating sources of leaks and moisture intrusion. I can guarantee that Oakton Instruments never included any gold or cave sensors in their thermometers, nor did any other thermometer manufacturer that I know of. Yet these infrared thermometers could be useful in finding treasures under certain conditions. I have never used an infrared thermometer to try to locate treasure, but from my experience in locating framing behind walls, cold draft locations, and damp areas, I can see some possible uses in treasure hunting:

1. If a cave has a warm or cold draft exiting from its mouth, and the thermometer is within range, then you will see that the temperature is different than the surrounding areas. This does not guarantee you found a cave, but it is a temperature anomaly that could be a cave. It could also be a damp area of soil where ground water has come to the surface, or a number of other things that would cause a different temperature in that location.

2. If you are surveying an area closer than 50 meters, these thermometers could be used to search for warm and cool spots on the ground or hillside. A warm or cool spot does not equal treasure. It means only that a spot is warm or cool. If you find a spot that is warmer or cooler than the surrounding area, this could be for a number of reasons: In the hot sun, dark colored surfaces are usually warmer than light colored surfaces. Also, damp surfaces are usually cooler than dry surfaces.

The most likely way to find an anomaly under the surface is when the surface temperature changes. ie: Suppose the clouds move to cover an area that was in the hot sun for several hours. After maybe 10 minutes in the shade, the surface will start to lose it's heat. If there is some large object under the surface (or on the surface) that has a different specific heat than the surrounding surface, then it will lose heat at a different rate, and you will be able to sense it as a different temperature after the area has been cooling for a sufficient amount of time. This principle could also work to find a cold spot in an area that was shaded for a long time, and was suddenly exposed to the sun. The thermometer could also show areas that retained residual heat into the night after the surrounding areas cooled. Another use for infrared thermometers could be to follow cold drafts or trails of dampness to their source, if it was thought that this could help find a treasure.

How sensitive is the infrared thermometer? The models sold by knouzm and Kellyco will indicate 1/10 of a degree change. The absolute temperature can be calibrated if necessary, but This is of little use to the average treaure hunter on foot. The necessary temperature range in the field would be probably from -10C to 200C, but you would most likely find temperatures from 10C to 70C in normal use. Data logging features are of little use in the field unless you need to log a number of temperatures over a period of time, as in timed temperature changes as an engine heats up.

Do these thermometers detect buried gold? Not gold specifically. They could detect any metal or other substance that retains heat differently than the surrounding soil. This includes iron, copper, brass, silver, lead, water, wood, a hollow cavern, or practically anything different than the surrounding soil.

What do infrared thermometers really cost? It depends on what features you want. What is nice about these thermometers is that a very cheap model gives 0.1 degree resolution, and shows very subtle changes in temperature over a surface. I use a 0.1 degree resolution model for preliminary surveys before getting out the infrared cameras to make thermal images of a surface. You can buy a new infrared thermometer for $20 to $100 on ebay that has the same resolution as some of the $650 industrial models, but lacks the extra data-logging and other features.

Why do the industrial infrared thermometers cost up to $700 or more? Because they include a number of features that are expensive. Here are some of these extra features that raise the cost of an infrared thermometer:
1. Higher D:S ratio, or narrower angle where the beam is focused (this means you can sense the temperature of a smaller spot from a distance without needing to move closer to the spot).
2. Extra lasers to tell where the sensor is focused (helps to insure you are measuring on target).
3. Higher temperature range - up to 900C
4. Provisions to calibrate to traceable standards for accurate absolute temperatures.
5. Data logging electronics to remember previous measurements that were made.
6. Thermocouple input port for dual sensing mode
7. Data output ports for computer logging applications

You will notice that none of these advanced features are very useful to the treasure hunter on foot except maybe having a narrower sensor beam width. Most $39.95 thermometers have the exact same 0.1 resolution as the expensive industrial models. And since all we want to do is find anomalies, the resolution and D:S ratio are all that really count.

If you wanted the ultimate in the knouzm class of infrared thermometers, you could buy a new Oakton model for under $650 that has more buttons and controls than you need. Or, for a little more than a Knouzm thermometer, you could buy a thermal imaging camera (starting at about $7000), that will show you a camera-like thermal image of the scene you're are looking at.

Now let's look at the Kellyco thermometers. The DIS600 pro is not from the same manufacturer as the Knouzm thermometer. The Kellyco DIS600 is manufactured by Cole Parmer. In the Cole Parmer catalog, we see they no longer sell their 16-point laser circle model, as this has been replaced by a new, improved 2-point rotating spot lasers that indicate the exact distance to focus for the best target resolution. However, Kellyco is selling you a lot of other expensive features that the average treasure hunter has no use for, such as: Hi/low alarms, max/min temp, -diff, average, data output, and 100 point data logging. How would a treasure hunter in the field use these features? Aren't they more appropriate for a factory environment? Kellyco does not reveal the most important features of any of these thermometers, the resolution and spot-to-distance ratio. But no problem, the Cole Parmer catalog shows that all their infrared thermometers have 0.1 degree resolution and lists the spot-to-distance ratios. So even if these are discontinued Cole Parmer thermometers, they should have 0.1C resolution. It seems that the current model Cole Parmer thermometers with similar specifications cost less than the Kellyco price. However, a Cole Parmer thermometer without the un-needed features cost in the $600-700 range.

After seeing what is available from Kellyco and knouzm, I wonder if the $100 ebay thermometers can do just as good a job at locating temperature anomalies as their "treasure hunting" thermometers. If your "team member" decides to test the knouzm thermometer, why not take along a $100 ebay thermometer to compare the results. Do you think the $6000 knouzm thermometer can out-perform the ebay thermometer in locating temperature anomalies in the soil?

If you are interested in shopping for an infrared thermometer to use in treasure hunting, there are only 3 specifications that I would look for:
1. Temperature range should be at least from freezing to boiling temperature (most are a lot more than this).
2. Resolution should be better than 0.3 degree.
3. Distance to spot ratio: Higher is better. With a ratio of 8:1, you can measure the temperature of a 1 meter circle from 8 meters away. A 50:1 ratio allows you to measure the same 1 meter circle from 50 meters way. When looking for temperature deviations at close distances the ratio does not matter, but a high ratio can save you a lot of walking if you want to scan a large area for hot/cold spots. You can be sure the price goes up beyond $39.95 as the D:S ratio goes up above 12:1.


Here are some fun links if you are interested in infrared thermometers:

See the knouzm price list for many treasure hunting devices. They list the "Laser Gun (DIS 300)" inrfared thermometer at $6000:
http://www.knouzm.org/index.php?modu...896269140-1216

See the prices on the discontinued 9-spot Oakton laser models that are no longer available. (Their most expensive model may still be available for $649, but if not, you can still buy one of the new models with the single brighter laser for the same $649 or less:
http://www.innocalsolutions.com/cata...&trs=undefined
http://www.innocalsolutions.com/cata...&trs=undefined
http://www.innocalsolutions.com/cata...&trs=undefined
https://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/p....asp?cls=43115

See what the 9 laser spots are for here:
http://www.4oakton.com/SellSheets/te.../Temp%20B2.pdf

See pictures of the discontinued Oaktron 9-laser thermometer shooting out it's beams:
http://www.4oakton.com/SellSheets/te.../Temp%20B2.pdf

Read how the new method of laser technology makes the old "circle of laser spots" method of range-finding obsolete:
http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/pr...sp?sku=3975520

See a lot of industrial infrared thermometer models here with specifications. Do you see any here that look suspiciously similar to the knouzm and Kellyco models but at a much lower price?
http://www.innocalsolutions.com/cata...rm_brchure.pdf

See the ebay cheap infrared thermometers here. (Be sure to check out the specs before buying one of these):
http://search.ebay.com/infrared-ther...tsearchZSearch


ps. I see there is a fluke 68 for sale used on ebay for current bid of $76. They sell new for just under $500 and have a 50:1 D:S ratio and 0.1 degree resolution. http://cgi.ebay.com/Fluke-68-infrare...QQcmdZViewItem

[Delbert grady]

Well Hung, are these new devices bothered with Dicky Spy, like Mineoro

Delbert

[hung]

Thanks for your insights JPlayer,

Originally Posted by J_Player

The "Laser Gun (DIS 300) device detecting for Gold, Treasures and Caves" is actually an infrared thermometer that appears to be an instrument manufactured by Oakton Instruments in Illinois, or a very close copy of one.

In fact the manual confirms that but tells that they performed modifications on the unit for treasure hunting use which also includes adding two more sensors.

I can guarantee that Oakton Instruments never included any gold or cave sensors in their thermometers, nor did any other thermometer manufacturer that I know of.

See above.

1. If a cave has a warm or cold draft exiting from its mouth, and the thermometer is within range, then you will see that the temperature is different than the surrounding areas. This does not guarantee you found a cave, but it is a temperature anomaly that could be a cave. It could also be a damp area of soil where ground water has come to the surface, or a number of other things that would cause a different temperature in that location.

Correct. The same applies for gold. But they claim that if in the main display appears say 79 and you move the device slightly to either side and the numbers dimish gradually say for78, 77, etc. Then highly likely there's a target there indeed. But if from 79 for instance it drops to 54, then it might be a metal rock or some false diagnostics I will not go over now.

The most likely way to find an anomaly under the surface is when the surface temperature changes. ie: Suppose the clouds move to cover an area that was in the hot sun for several hours. After maybe 10 minutes in the shade, the surface will start to lose it's heat.

That's why they recomend night search for that.

The thermometer could also show areas that retained residual heat into the night after the surrounding areas cooled. Another use for infrared thermometers could be to follow cold drafts or trails of dampness to their source, if it was thought that this could help find a treasure.

Yes, I agree.

How sensitive is the infrared thermometer? The models sold by knouzm and Kellyco will indicate 1/10 of a degree change. The absolute temperature can be calibrated if necessary, but This is of little use to the average treaure hunter on foot. The necessary temperature range in the field would be probably from -10C to 200C, but you would most likely find temperatures from 10C to 70C in normal use. Data logging features are of little use in the field unless you need to log a number of temperatures over a period of time, as in timed temperature changes as an engine heats up.

They claim anything is measurable above absolute zero. So this agin reinforces the idea it might work as claimed.

Do these thermometers detect buried gold? Not gold specifically. They could detect any metal or other substance that retains heat differently than the surrounding soil. This includes iron, copper, brass, silver, lead, water, wood, a hollow cavern, or practically anything different than the surrounding soil.

It could. But gold reflects virtually all heat that it's exposed hence the 'gold' setting. Chances are that for the required temp change with all conditions in manual met, it will be gold.
I'll check that, better, I'll have my friend check that when he test the device.

Now let's look at the Kellyco thermometers. The DIS600 pro is not from the same manufacturer as the Knouzm thermometer. The Kellyco DIS600 is manufactured by Cole Parmer. In the Cole Parmer catalog, we see they no longer sell their 16-point laser circle model, as this has been replaced by a new, improved 2-point rotating spot lasers that indicate the exact distance to focus for the best target resolution. However, Kellyco is selling you a lot of other expensive features that the average treasure hunter has no use for, such as: Hi/low alarms, max/min temp, -diff, average, data output, and 100 point data logging. How would a treasure hunter in the field use these features? Aren't they more appropriate for a factory environment? Kellyco does not reveal the most important features of any of these thermometers, the resolution and spot-to-distance ratio. But no problem, the Cole Parmer catalog shows that all their infrared thermometers have 0.1 degree resolution and lists the spot-to-distance ratios. So even if these are discontinued Cole Parmer thermometers, they should have 0.1C resolution. It seems that the current model Cole Parmer thermometers with similar specifications cost less than the Kellyco price. However, a Cole Parmer thermometer without the un-needed features cost in the $600-700 range.

Thanks for the info.

Here are some fun links if you are interested in infrared thermometers:

See the knouzm price list for many treasure hunting devices. They list the "Laser Gun (DIS 300)" inrfared thermometer at $6000:
http://www.knouzm.org/index.php?modu...896269140-1216

See the prices on the discontinued 9-spot Oakton laser models that are no longer available. (Their most expensive model may still be available for $649, but if not, you can still buy one of the new models with the single brighter laser for the same $649 or less:
http://www.innocalsolutions.com/cata...&trs=undefined
http://www.innocalsolutions.com/cata...&trs=undefined
http://www.innocalsolutions.com/cata...&trs=undefined
https://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/p....asp?cls=43115

See what the 9 laser spots are for here:
http://www.4oakton.com/SellSheets/te.../Temp%20B2.pdf

See pictures of the discontinued Oaktron 9-laser thermometer shooting out it's beams:
http://www.4oakton.com/SellSheets/te.../Temp%20B2.pdf

Read how the new method of laser technology makes the old "circle of laser spots" method of range-finding obsolete:
http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/pr...sp?sku=3975520

See a lot of industrial infrared thermometer models here with specifications. Do you see any here that look suspiciously similar to the knouzm and Kellyco models but at a much lower price?
http://www.innocalsolutions.com/cata...rm_brchure.pdf

See the ebay cheap infrared thermometers here. (Be sure to check out the specs before buying one of these):
http://search.ebay.com/infrared-ther...tsearchZSearch


ps. I see there is a fluke 68 for sale used on ebay for current bid of $76. They sell new for just under $500 and have a 50:1 D:S ratio and 0.1 degree resolution. http://cgi.ebay.com/Fluke-68-infrare...QQcmdZViewItem

Great links thanks again.
In fact if you could test these thermoneters for Thuning, we could compare results with this DIS300 unit and see if there's any and in this case see what kind of modifications Knouzm claims to have made to allow that, if this proves true.

[Dell Winders]

Excellent! Very accurate and useful Information, JPlayer. Thanks!

I don't know of any specific temperature that would discriminate Gold, from other anomalies either. The temperature can vary depending on several factors, so there really is no way of knowing the difference in the temperature between that of Gold, a Rock, or any other anomaly that I am aware of.

I might add that there would be no differential in temperature if the Gold is buried more than a few inches below the surface, or in a wet envoirmen. In my opinion, it is an impractical method to search for nobel metals. Dell

[hung]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

I don't know of any specific temperature that would discriminate Gold, from other anomalies either. The temperature can vary depending on several factors, so there really is no way of knowing the difference in the temperature between that of Gold, a Rock, or any other anomaly that I am aware of.

Dell, re-read what I said above. The manual covers this doubt. It states that if there's a rock the temp drop level will be different than that of gold. And it appears they developed a setting in the microprocessor regarding gold, due to field experiments which they now know the patterns for this metal.

I might add that there would be no differential in temperature if the Gold is buried more than a few inches below the surface, or in a wet envoirmen. In my opinion, it is an impractical method to search for nobel metals. Dell

This is featured in the manual. A deeper buried gold is less warm than one placed near the surface. But here also mass comes into play. The more mass the object exibits the more energy is translated to the system.

Anyway all of those questions will be answered as soon as I get a field report of the unit.

[Esteban]

In two opportunities we found scorpions over 2 silver medals (in this case 2 scorpions - the landlord said: "This is the owner of the treasure", ha, ha!!!) and another time a black scorpion over copper plate. Conclussion: animals search for hotest places, in this cases directly over metals of regular size. More common are ants. The both cases I comprobe myself and can conclude 2 facts: 1. metal sites are hotest and 2. good conductive metals emit infrared.

[hung]

OK. After taking a closer look on the links JPlayer provided and re-reading the Knouzm laserscan manual I came with the impression that they indeed modified the laserscans to find treasure.

1 - They redesigned the LCD screen which features 2 modes. RANGE and GOLD. First the user turn the device on and set in RANGE. This allows collecting the temperature in four directions in the ground. Then he changes to GOLD and start searching. When there's a 10 degree + change, the target is located which I suspect as I said earlier, they collected the data for gold temp location.

2 - And this second evidence may corroborate my thought of the unit being modified. This is in the manual:

NOTICE:

I- This device has been manufactured for many purposes. Regarding the
treasure haunter, two sensors were added to the device to work more
professionally in the difficulty soil and earth conditions.

So as can be seen, despite the fact that this is in fact an OAKTON unit, even if it's already discontinued, it probably was modified.

JPlayer, my invitation for you to test a regular OAKTON and compare results with my possible test is still up.

I inspected closely all the pictures of the oakton models and cocluded that the knouzm unit is not any of them altough the colors and shapes look similar. For instance, the knouzm unit has only 3 pushbuttons plus mode , the oakton 9 beam has 5 pushbuttons plus mode. The LDC in the knouzm is quite bigger than the oakton's.

[Esteban]

Hi Hung and all: simple IR module for receiver remote control of TV can detect this difference of temperature, with adequation of the circuit for this purpose of "heat difference".

[hung]

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[hung]

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[hung]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Hi Hung and all: simple IR module for receiver remote control of TV can detect this difference of temperature, with adequation of the circuit for this purpose of "heat difference".

Thanks Esteban, but you actually have to 'transport' the circuit to another one, add a microcontroler, laser (in this case class II), etc. The infra red part is just one item.

[Carl-NC]

The DIS-300 is actually a Mastech MS6530. It's highly, highly unlikely that the DIS-300 has any modifications, certainly not with the LCD. It's also impossible that their claims are true... buried gold absolutely cannot be distinguished from anything else based on temperature.

The evidence overwhelmingly suggests that this company sells treasure hunting scams. The fact that they also sell dowsing rod devices pretty much cements that conclusion.

- Carl

[Rudy]

Well, you probably could find a ghost with it. I hear that their presence is betrayed by a sudden temperature drop.

Buried metal will quickly achieve temperature equilibrium with its environment.

Thought experiment.

Let us say for the moment, that there indeed is a bar of gold, buried
under the ground, that happens to have a temperature that is a few degrees higher than its surrounding. Forget how this could happen, let's just assume that it could.

Then, at the interface between the surface of the gold bar and the ground, we would expect that the material in contact with the gold bar will experience a temperature increase and come up to the same temperature as on the gold's surface. In the process of doing that, it pulled some heat out of the gold bar.

The other atoms in the ground close to the interface material, will have their temperature increased as well. Simply because if there is a temperature differential between them, heat energy will be transferred.

This process will continue and keep pulling heat energy out of the gold bar until the temperature of the gold is in equilibrium with the surrounding dirt.

So, after this process has happened you come with your electronic thermometer and what do you see? Nada!

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

In two opportunities we found scorpions over 2 silver medals (in this case 2 scorpions - the landlord said: "This is the owner of the treasure", ha, ha!!!) and another time a black scorpion over copper plate. Conclussion: animals search for hotest places, in this cases directly over metals of regular size. More common are ants. The both cases I comprobe myself and can conclude 2 facts: 1. metal sites are hotest and 2. good conductive metals emit infrared.

...So did you steal the scorpion's silver medals?

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

... buried gold absolutely cannot be distinguished from anything else based on temperature.

- Carl

I agree. My very expensive thermocamera isn't able to detect metals in the ground. Only if a big metalic object is in the ground 10..20cm then i can detect it only at the hours of day.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

buried gold absolutely cannot be distinguished from anything else based on temperature.

This is not true. Gold does produce heat when aimed with specific frequencies of laser lights and it's also used by NASA space suits for its heat reflection properties:

An Efficient Heat Ray Reflector
A fourth characteristic of gold is its ability to reflect heat rays efficiently. This is what makes it so valuable as a heat protector in space suits and vehicles. Thus films of gold so thin that they are translucent are applied to the glass of windows in both hot and cold climates. Under hot conditions, the gold eliminates glare, reflects heat from the sun and thus reduces cooling costs. Conversely, the film reflects back heat radiating from within the buildings and so reduces heating costs. Both ways are important in helping to conserve our precious energy resources.

Another property of gold is that it is an exceedingly good conductor of electricity and heat

Also see this link:
http://www.physorg.com/news63003999.html

Besides it's up to 99% Infrared reflective.
The company states that due to electron structure, gold and other royal metals retain heat longer when buried overnight.
This might or might not be true. I will make tests to corroborate this or not.

The evidence overwhelmingly suggests that this company sells treasure hunting scams. The fact that they also sell dowsing rod devices pretty much cements that conclusion.

You are presenting the same skeptic's logic of 'one size fits all'. No, one size does not fit all. If you think dowsing does not work keep it only as your opinion and not a fact.

Anyway, thanks for the information. Now since you live in US, you or anybody here could try to use the Mastech device and see if the device can be used as Knouzm says. I would try to collect data here from the DIS300.
We could compare results and only this way we would know if the Mastech has been modified or not.

[J_Player]

I must congratulate Carl again for his excellent work in finding the exact manufacturer of the knouzm thermometer treasure finder. It's no wonder I couldn't find it because I was looking for the USA manufacturers per the Knouzm web page that says it is made in the USA.

We in the USA cannot easily test the Mastech MS6530 because it is not made or sold in the USA. This thermometer is made in China. The only place it is obtained in the USA is through the Amazon.com seller who imports it from Hong Kong.

Mastech no longer lists the MS6530 in their catalog, as it has been replaced by the newer models. As near as I can tell, the remaining surplus stock of the obsolete Mastech MS6530 thermometers can be imported direct from the Hong Kong factory contact for low factory surplus prices if you need a lot of them. Scroll to the bottom of this page and contact Connie Keung for volume discounts:
http://pmastech.manufacturer.globals...hermometer.htm

The Knouzm company lied to us when they said it is made in the USA on their web page (DIS 300 feature #15): http://knouzm.net/en/dis-300.html

Knouzm lied about the place this thermometer was made just like they lied about the "13 Laser Waves considered as Ground Probes to measure", and just like they lied in their manual about adding two extra sensors for the treasure hunter. This is nothing but an obsolete Mastech Infrared thermometer that you can buy for about $100 or less from a Hong Kong importer. It cannot "discover from 20 Degree C to 527 Degree C for far distances and huge depths" as the web page states. It can only measure surface temperature. The Knouzm "Laser Gun (DIS 300)" cannot find treasure any better than an obsolete Mastech MA5630. Why would anyone pay $6000 for this cheap thermometer? Because the Knouzm company lied and made them believe it was modified so it can find treasure? Hahahahaha what kind of retarded idiot would believe that crap?


Here are some fun pages if you want to find out more about Mastech:

See animated views of the Mastech factory here. Just look at all those factory workers on the assembly line. I wonder how much Mastech would charge to rework some of the surplus MS6530 thermometers to show a .g or .c when you push the mode button button? Hmmm.. too bad you cant modify the display to say "Treasure Finding Mode".
http://www.p-mastech.com/profile_factory_tour.htm

The Mastech company is known for making electronic instruments that are sold to people who want cheap knock-offs of quality American made products. Even their factory website brags about using American brands like Wavetech, Fluke, and Techtronics to factory-test their products. http://www.p-mastech.com/profile.htm

Let's see what kind of products Mastech lists in their catalog:
http://www.mastech.com.cn/

I was not able to find anywhere to buy Mastech products online except a few items on ebay and on amazon.com. But I did find this website for a company who supplies electronics to Australia that has a Mastech product section:
http://www.transtek.com.au/products/mastech.html

[hung]

OK, I found a MASTECH 6530 being sold here in an out of state store here in Brazil. Price is not as low as in the US.

Only way to know if they are similar is comparing both.
I will try to test or have someone test the knouzm device here.
Alhtough Knouzm is notorious for his outrageous prices and doubtful products, I will give them the benefit of doubt for now.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by hung

This is not true. Gold does produce heat when aimed with specific frequencies of laser lights and it's also used by NASA space suits for its heat reflection properties:

You are correct, gold is an excellent reflector of infrared radiation. But infrared radiation does not penetrate soil, so buried gold is not exposed to infrared radiation. Nor will those laser beams penetrate the soil, so let's not make any silly assertions that they will.

Also see this link:
http://www.physorg.com/news63003999.html

This irrelevant.

The company states that due to electron structure, gold and other royal metals retain heat longer when buried overnight.
This might or might not be true. I will make tests to corroborate this or not.

False.

When infrared radiation hits the surface of the ground, it is converted into thermal energy, which then propagates mostly via thermal conduction, not thermal radiation. Any buried metal will take on the temperature of the surrounding soil -- again via conduction -- regardless of whether it's gold or iron or whatever. Most metals, including gold, have very high thermal diffusivity compared to the surrounding soil, so they will tend to maintain the same temperature... that is, buried metal will probably not show a thermal lag.

You are presenting the same skeptic's logic of 'one size fits all'. No, one size does not fit all. If you think dowsing does not work keep it only as your opinion and not a fact.

Every dowser who has tried to show me that dowsing works has failed miserably. When someone takes my $25,000, then I will reconsider.

Now since you live in US, you or anybody here could try to use the Mastech device and see if the device can be used as Knouzm says. I would try to collect data here from the DIS300.
We could compare results and only this way we would know if the Mastech has been modified or not.

I have just purchased a MS6530 off eBay, for $59. Compare that to $2200 for the DIS-300.

- Carl

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Originally Posted by Carl-NC

You are correct, gold is an excellent reflector of infrared radiation. But infrared radiation does not penetrate soil, so buried gold is not exposed to infrared radiation. Nor will those laser beams penetrate the soil, so let's not make any silly assertions that they will.

This irrelevant.

False.

When infrared radiation hits the surface of the ground, it is converted into thermal energy, which then propagates mostly via thermal conduction, not thermal radiation. Any buried metal will take on the temperature of the surrounding soil -- again via conduction -- regardless of whether it's gold or iron or whatever. Most metals, including gold, have very high thermal diffusivity compared to the surrounding soil, so they will tend to maintain the same temperature... that is, buried metal will probably not show a thermal lag.

Every dowser who has tried to show me that dowsing works has failed miserably. When someone takes my $25,000, then I will reconsider.

I have just purchased a MS6530 off eBay, for $59. Compare that to $2200 for the DIS-300.

- Carl

I honestly don't agree with your statements above. You are not considering earth's own emissions regarding buried metals. But let's not waste time arguing.
At least now we can count on test on your part regarding the 6530?