Mineoro Tyon

[hung]

I just received a call from a member of my team who has got the new TYON Mineoro model.
I asked for a complete report based on my experiences and he will make it.

In preliminary tests, he told me the device picks a gold ring from 1 meter at home easily and the gold plate from 2 meters. It’s much more sensitive than the FG80 and also more stable.
In the beach, he told me that the device is a breeze to use, with stable beepings and able to follow direct to the target. On very humid days, detection decreases and increase in gain is necessary which makes the device erratic.

He used the mod RT Examiner in the beach (I trained this guy to use the RT) and the Tyon confirmed all targets detected by the RT.

I’m waiting for a more detailed report and also the device’s behavior on different metals.

[mineorogreece]

Why dont they show this new model in their website?

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by hung

I just received a call from a member of my team who has got the new TYON Mineoro model.
I asked for a complete report based on my experiences and he will make it.

In preliminary tests, he told me the device picks a gold ring from 1 meter at home easily and the gold plate from 2 meters. It’s much more sensitive than the FG80 and also more stable.
In the beach, he told me that the device is a breeze to use, with stable beepings and able to follow direct to the target. On very humid days, detection decreases and increase in gain is necessary which makes the device erratic.

He used the mod RT Examiner in the beach (I trained this guy to use the RT) and the Tyon confirmed all targets detected by the RT.

I’m waiting for a more detailed report and also the device’s behavior on different metals.

If its realy true reports this new device is better than NEXUS detector?
We will see...

[hung]

Originally Posted by mineorogreece

Why dont they show this new model in their website?

Jim, that's what I wondered too since this model has been launched for quite sometime now.
I was told that the reasons why the site has not being updated yet include Damasio's illness and his often absence from the firm and the device's new layout not being ready yet. My friend's Tyon is inside the FG80 package. But the site will include this soon. Actually the Tyon designation is apparently just a model of the FG80.

Anyway, I will conduct tests with my friend and see if it picks only gold from this distance or other noble metals. If only gold, then besides the evolution in the amplifier stage, they also apparently achieved better filtering.

Now that my team and I suceeded in our LRL system which employs a different and more powerful aproach not related to ionic detection, I'm in the process of redesigning the PDC/Mineoro ionic concept.

What will be new: A redesigned ionic chamber and active receiving section now with direct target excitation.
Regards.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Morgan

If its realy true reports this new device is better than NEXUS detector?
We will see...

Morgan,

The NEXUS is just an ordinary aproach MD. Not an ionic/electrostatic LRL. Different animals. No comparisons.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

He used the mod RT Examiner in the beach (I trained this guy to use the RT) and the Tyon confirmed all targets detected by the RT.

So it wasn't a proper scientific test then?

Originally Posted by hung

Morgan,

The NEXUS is just an ordinary aproach MD. Not an ionic/electrostatic LRL. Different animals. No comparisons.

True ... the Nexus is a real metal detector.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by hung

Now that my team and I suceeded in our LRL system which employs a different and more powerful aproach not related to ionic detection, I'm in the process of redesigning the PDC/Mineoro ionic concept.

What will be new: A redesigned ionic chamber and active receiving section now with direct target excitation.
Regards.

Huuh??? Are you redesigning a useless ionic chamber??

[hung]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

True ... the Nexus is a real metal detector.

... employing a real primitive metal detecting aproach.

Maybe you enjoy sweeping your house with a broom.
I don't!

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

... employing a real primitive metal detecting aproach.

Maybe you enjoy sweeping your house with a broom.
I don't!

Actually it's an approach that works, unlike gluing a calculator to a swivel handle and calling it a detector.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

But to answer your provocation ... in reality I think it's quite the reverse. Scientists have too much imagination. Parallel universes, quantum teleportation, worm holes, time travel, to mention a few.
However, we are now going off topic. There's some danger of getting caught in the dark side.

, indeed,
But i partly disagree: scientist may have imagination, but they often need to get out of their square, wich they cannot as they get too much specialized.
In other words, the human brain is not powerfull enought to take the distance necessary to resolve a whole subject, yet having enought knowledge in any of its ramifications.
I thought getting off topic in this thread is not so important.
regards,
Fred.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Fred

, indeed,
But i partly disagree: scientist may have imagination, but they often need to get out of their square, wich they cannot as they get too much specialized.
In other words, the human brain is not powerfull enought to take the distance necessary to resolve a whole subject, yet having enought knowledge in any of its ramifications.
I thought getting off topic in this thread is not so important.
regards,
Fred.

You're right! I forgot which forum I was in.

But as far as cheap calculators glued to swivel handles are concerned, it's better to stay in the scientific box, and not the pseudo-scientific one.
This ionic idea is touted as a scientific truth, when in fact it is complete nonsense. Don't you think it's strange that the LRL proponents are clamoring for scientific acceptance, but then turn round and knock the scientific process when they fail to get it? The whole thing is just a joke.

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Actually it's an approach that works, unlike gluing a calculator to a swivel handle and calling it a detector.

So,my conclusion is Mineoro works.
It as inside the ionic chamber some grames of 24K Gold,so it allways beeping because of the Gold

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Morgan

So,my conclusion is Mineoro works.
It as inside the ionic chamber some grames of 24K Gold,so it allways beeping because of the Gold

I´m thinking how many grames of gold,the ICONOS as inside...

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Morgan

So,my conclusion is Mineoro works.
It as inside the ionic chamber some grames of 24K Gold,so it allways beeping because of the Gold

If you assume that the Mineoro contains a non-motion metal detector hidden inside, then it could be detecting its own gold in the ionic chamber... except that the signal would be constant and not intermittent. Maybe the gold is loose, and is rolling around in the chamber. A sort of "fools gold".

[Clondike Clad]

Could this new unit take carl's GOLD?

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

Could this new unit take carl's GOLD?

It's not a new unit.
Some unfortunate people spent good money on the ICONOS, but when they tried to get their money back, the ICONOS folks had mysteriously vanished.
As you can see from the name - there is a "CON" in ICONOS.

Hmmm... or perhaps you referring the Mineoro Tyon?
Either way - no chance!

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

You're right! I forgot which forum I was in. .

Actually i jumped from ...ivconic thread to this one.

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

This ionic idea is touted as a scientific truth, when in fact it is complete nonsense.

At what point does it becomes a complete nonsense? underground ion migration seems possible, then it aparently stops 10cm below ground ...so how sure can we be that ions below ground don´t influence ,say, the magnetic field above ground ,or thet they create some "ionic mirror effect" ?

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by hung

In preliminary tests, he told me the device picks ... the gold plate from 2 meters. It’s much more sensitive than the FG80 and also more stable.

Is this "gold plate" the sample included with the unit, like I got with my FG-80? If so, then any ability to detect this plate makes it better than the FG-80, which doesn't detect it at all. I can see the ad now: "Infinitely more sensitive than the FG-80!" Which would also be true of a Radio Shack BFO.

I'll wait for the Missouri Analysis, which I strongly suspect will never ever happen.

- Carl

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Morgan

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I´m thinking how many grames of gold,the ICONOS as inside...

Maybe after few days i will try to open it and i will say what is inside

[Steve in MS]

Sooo, these detectors depend upon an "ionic trail" that can be picked up, right? What about gold that is not too far underground, freshly buried, they should pick this up with no problem, right, if they can detect long range underground on long lost treasures?
If so a documented experiment could be performed to show their usefulness,
right? Or are we going to forever told that only certain conditions they will work?
My guess is these LRL's can't be subjected to any kind of logic at all
!
Sorry, I just couldn't resist this line of reasoning!

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

It's not a new unit.
Some unfortunate people spent good money on the ICONOS, but when they tried to get their money back, the ICONOS folks had mysteriously vanished.
As you can see from the name - there is a "CON" in ICONOS.

Hmmm... or perhaps you referring the Mineoro Tyon?
Either way - no chance!

Yes I was thinking about the new box Hung was talking about the Mineoro Tyon can detect a ring at one meter.
Any detector that can pick up a ring at 1 meter or over 36 inch is ready to take $25000 from Carl or better yet go for the million.
I want one after that happens

[hung]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

Yes I was thinking about the new box Hung was talking about the Mineoro Tyon can detect a ring at one meter.
Any detector that can pick up a ring at 1 meter or over 36 inch is ready to take $25000 from Carl or better yet go for the million.
I want one after that happens

Let me clear up some few things here:

1 - The LRL system my team and I developed has nothing to do with RT Examiner except that it features one aspect of T-R detection. It has no calculator, small box or swivel. It's a totally electronic device, relatively big and comprises of two parts. It's not an ionic/electrostatic device and it has much more range than those devices. We are soon going for a new phase with soil imaging visualizations ahead of GPR tehcnology which I hope to happen next year. Not because of technical dificulties, but simply due to lack of time. The 'brains' in our team is the most busy person in the world.

2 - The Tyon needs more testing and as soon as I have time I will try to conduct them. I have my team spread all over Brazil for prospections and right now I have only cell phone comunication with the person who is using it.
Prior to Tyon, we had to meet certain weather and ionic conditions to achieve gold detection. It seems the Tyon is easier to use and deals better with high humidity and less than 20% of ionic emissions.
I'm also developing a new ionic/electrostatic device based on PDC/FG80 that I hope to be even better than the Tyon itself and any detector of this kind to date.

3 - I have never been and never will be obsecessed with Carl's challenge or whatever one which might appear.
I always told here this is balloney and just a marketing trick to promote himself. I don't need this challenge or anybody's and will not waste my time with those nonsenses.


PS. The RT Examiner with calculator glued just like it is now works. I always told that. Before I see one, I thought it would not work. When I saw it did, I studied it. And I learned.
The only thing is that the swivel part might raise discussions if the movement is done by hand, mind, wind, sprits, etc. But the weak magnetic force is there and the scientific explanation in RT's site is mostly correct.
What amazes me most is that some figures here who claim themselves to be 'technical' just can't understand what is happening in the RT's case and doom themselves to remain in the dark dign of middle age thinkings.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Morgan

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I´m thinking how many grames of gold,the ICONOS as inside...

You no need much gold. 0.5 gram is OK.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

I have never been and never will be obsecessed with Carl's challenge or whatever one which might appear.
I always told here this is balloney and just a marketing trick to promote himself. I don't need this challenge or anybody's and will not waste my time with those nonsenses.

The only reason you have no interest in either Carl's or Randi's challenge is because you have no chance of success. Your LRL simply does not function when subjected to double-blind testing. Anyone with even a modicum of scientific knowledge would then conclude that it's a trick of the mind. Hopefully one day you will remove the blinkers and return to doing something more productive.

Originally Posted by hung

PS. The RT Examiner with calculator glued just like it is now works. I always told that. Before I see one, I thought it would not work. When I saw it did, I studied it. And I learned.

Actually, you learned nothing. You may have studied the RT Examiner, but your blinkered approach has blinded you to the obvious. The RT is a piece of junk, except for the calculator, which could be removed and put to a more practical use.

Originally Posted by hung

The only thing is that the swivel part might raise discussions if the movement is done by hand, mind, wind, sprits, etc. But the weak magnetic force is there and the scientific explanation in RT's site is mostly correct.

There is no scientific explanation on the RT's site that makes any sense. I think you meant to say "pseudo-scientific" explanation.

Originally Posted by hung

What amazes me most is that some figures here who claim themselves to be 'technical' just can't understand what is happening in the RT's case and doom themselves to remain in the dark dign of middle age thinkings.

In fact, we understand only too well what is happening in the RT's case. You don't even have to be "technical" to see that it's a scam.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by hung

The LRL system my team and I developed has nothing to do with RT Examiner except that it features one aspect of T-R detection.

Are you pretending that the RT Examiner utilizes T-R detection?

I have never been and never will be obsecessed with Carl's challenge or whatever one which might appear. I always told here this is balloney and just a marketing trick to promote himself.

Why would I need to "promote" myself? With LRLs, all I'm saying is, "Show Me." It's a scandalous concept.

- Carl