ion detector request

[jack]

hi to all
dears geo and j-p and wm6 and...
I need a circuit that is similar to the circuit zahori.Is the combination of a circuit bfo and ion detector.
Who can help me in this case?
with respect
jack

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by jack

hi to all
dears geo and j-p and wm6 and...
I need a circuit that is similar to the circuit zahori.Is the combination of a circuit bfo and ion detector.
Who can help me in this case?
with respect
jack

The Zahori is a static charge detector with a digital filter in it.
The zahori does not transmit any frequency to be broadcast into the air.
The Zahori filter is set to 50 Hz or 60 Hz to prevent interference from AC power. But this filter is only an internal filter.

There is no place a BFO will have any purpose on a static charge detector like the Zahori.
A BFO is used for metal detectors that have coils to send out magnetic fields and receiver coils that receive magnetic fields.
BFO is not used on a simple charge detector that will only detect a static electric charge in the air.
BFO must have at least two coils working to have some purpose, but charge detectors have no coils.
There is no coil in a Zahori or other static charge detector to connect a BFO.
So I know of no way to make a BFO function in a static charge detector like a Zahori.


Best wishes,
J_P

[jack]

Originally Posted by J_Player

A BFO is used for metal detectors that have coils to send out magnetic fields and receiver coils that receive magnetic fields.

J_P

tank you very much j-p
you can give a schematic In this case ?

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by jack

tank you very much j-p
you can give a schematic In this case ?

I just finished explaining that there is no place where a BFO can be connected to a Zahori.
It is impossible to make a schematic of a BFO connected to a Zahori because it is imposible to connect a BFO to a Zahori.

There is no circuit where a BFO is connected to Zahori,
And there is no schematic of a BFO connected to a Zahori.
I know of no way to make a schematic of a BFO connected to a Zahori.


Best wishes,
J_P

[jack]

Originally Posted by J_Player

I just finished explaining that there is no place where a BFO can be connected to a Zahori.
It is impossible to make a schematic of a BFO connected to a Zahori because it is imposible to connect a BFO to a Zahori.

There is no circuit where a BFO is connected to Zahori,
And there is no schematic of a BFO connected to a Zahori.
I know of no way to make a schematic of a BFO connected to a Zahori.


Best wishes,
J_P

I mean there is a circuit which is connected to zahori.I mean that I want to focus is a combination(A BFO is used for metal detectors that have coils to send out magnetic fields and receiver coils that receive magnetic fields)
my mean not zahori.
please help me

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by jack

I mean there is a circuit which is connected to zahori.I mean that I want to focus is a combination(A BFO is used for metal detectors that have coils to send out magnetic fields and receiver coils that receive magnetic fields)
my mean not zahori.
please help me

I have never built a BFO detector.
So I cannot tell you how to build a BFO detector.
But I can show you the circuit for a BFO detector that uses coils to work with magnetic signals.
See here for the complete schematic: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=15

The person who posted this BFO circuit is maikl.
You can ask him for help to tell how it works.
You can also ask Mikebg for help. Check here to read all details: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...883#post116883

I do not know if this metal locator works because I never used a BFO metal locator.
You will need to ask the people who posted the circuit.


Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Hi jack, this is right circuit for you (Beat Frequency Zahori):

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by WM6

Hi jack, this is right circuit for you (Beat Frequency Zahori):

Very nano....


Best wishes,
J_P

[jack]

Overall, the combination of a metal detector bfo With a magnetic or electromagnetic gauge?
Like pd (pistol detector)
Who can be a general diagram with a drawing to show me?

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by jack

Overall, the combination of a metal detector bfo With a magnetic or electromagnetic gauge?
Like pd (pistol detector)
Who can be a general diagram with a drawing to show me?

You were already given the complete circuit for a BFO detector that fits very easily inside a pistol shape above. http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...19&postcount=6
The electromagnetic gauge is very simple to put on any circuit with an audio amplifier.
Mikebg and maikl can easily show you where to connect it.
All parts are shown on this circuit diagram. There are no parts missing.
You can begin building it today and then put it inside a pistol box with the OO coil glued on the front.
But you continue to ask for the circuit diagram after you have been given what you asked for.
What is your reason for not taking the circuit that you were given?
Why do you continue to ask for a different circuit diagram after you already have the circuit diagram for a BFO detector that will fit in the pistol shape and will accept a magnetic gauge?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Originally Posted by WM6

Hi jack, this is right circuit for you (Beat Frequency Zahori):

That one is really excellent WM6 !!!
And easy to build.
Very powerfull too !

[WM6]

Originally Posted by J_Player

See here for the complete schematic: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=15

The person who posted this BFO circuit is maikl.

Hi J_P, this is not BFO.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by WM6

Hi J_P, this is not BFO.

Hmmm... correct.
This explains exactly why it is not suitable for Jack.

Now if we are to design a BFO magical treasure locator, maybe it would be a good idea to tune the oscillator to the gold frequency.
We could start with a magnetometer that would monitor the local magnetic field of the earth.
Then as we walk different locations in the treasure field, the magnetometer output can follow all the changes in the earth's magnetic field.
The magnetometer output can send a signal to a VCO that will adjust to the exact NMR frequency of gold at the location where you are walking.
Then you will have an oscillator that is oscillating at the exact frequency of gold... somewhere between 16Hz and 57 Hz ...
The BFO can automatically follow this frequency and watch for strong vibrations from gold..... so when you hear the frequency sound go null, you will know you have found gold...

Hmmm..... Maybe this will not work for long range detecting...
If the magnetic field is different at some distance from where you are standing, then the magnetometer will not know how to adjust the frequency to find gold that is not the in the same field where you are standing....
This means it will work only for the location where you are standing.... not at a long distance away from you...


Hmmm.. nevermind about the cool BFO LRL idea....


Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by J_Player

I have never built a BFO detector.
So I cannot tell you how to build a BFO detector.
But I can show you the circuit for a BFO detector that uses coils to work with magnetic signals.
See here for the complete schematic: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=15

The person who posted this BFO circuit is maikl.
You can ask him for help to tell how it works.
You can also ask Mikebg for help. Check here to read all details: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...883#post116883

I do not know if this metal locator works because I never used a BFO metal locator.
You will need to ask the people who posted the circuit.


Best wishes,
J_P

But,is possible to connect one BFO to one ION DETECTOR,i already do this and it works,even with very good amplification of the BFO signal.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Morgan

But,is possible to connect one BFO to one ION DETECTOR,i already do this and it works,even with very good amplification of the BFO signal.

Hi Morgan,
If you had a BFO, then it was not connected to a static charge detector similar to Zahori.
BFO requires an oscillator to beat against, and a static charge detector does not have an oscillator in the detection element.
This can only mean your ion detector was a coil type or oscillating magnetic detector that you can beat the oscillator to, not a static charge detector that simply collects electric charges from the air.

You can put a full circuit diagram here and then I can show you how to modify it into a true static charge detector without removing the BFO.


Best wishes,
J_P

[jack]

This is a schematic of a ferrite
What shape is combined with a circuit with a BFO??
Friends who can explain to me?

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by jack

This is a schematic of a ferrite
What shape is combined with a circuit with a BFO??
Friends who can explain to me?

This is a circuit diagram for a simple AM radio receiver. There is no BFO connected anywhere here.
You can connect a speaker or headphones to the location marked for LED and you will hear music if it is tuned to a radio station.
Or you can watch the LED become bright if it is picking up a radio signal.


Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Originally Posted by jack

This is a schematic of a ferrite
What shape is combined with a circuit with a BFO??
Friends who can explain to me?

You have great filing to find nonsence schematic.

[jack]

The circuit you're on this topic
http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...t=17176&page=5
Please explain to me about this circuit???
best wishes

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by jack

The circuit you're on this topic
http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...t=17176&page=5
Please explain to me about this circuit???
best wishes

Geo copied this circuit from photos of a Mineoro FG-79 locator, then I re-drew the circuit Geo made so it is easier to read.
We already explained about this circuit here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...ad.php?t=17318
You can click on that link and read nearly 200 forum posts that explain about that circuit.

If you actually read those posts, you will see that nobody thinks this is good for treasure hunting except hung.
Everybody else agrees it cannot locate a coin at long range.
Please go to the link above to read the explanations about this circuit.
Also read these posts which explain why this circuit does not work:
http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...9&postcount=75
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=118690&postcount=78
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=122223&postcount=111
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=47468&postcount=32
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=50315&postcount=119
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=96087&postcount=86
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=47501&postcount=49
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=96118&postcount=90
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=116404&postcount=107
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=122159&postcount=75
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12061
http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12165

You can see most people who used Mineoro think it is not good for treasure hunting.
If you still believe this is a good circuit for treasure hunting after you read the explanations, then you will need to find somebody who believes the Mineoro circuit is good.
Maybe you can get help from hung, because he is the only person in this forum who believes Mineoro circuits will work.
You can send a PM to hung to see how much help he will give you to make this circuit into a working LRL.

Or if you cannot get help from hung, you can contact Alonso who originally designed some of this circuit.
You can send Alonso an email here: patricia@mineoro.com.br
You can ask Patricia to translate your email to Spanish so Alonso will know exactly what kind of help you are looking for.
Then you can wait for Alonso to send back an email to tell you all the answers to your questions and circuit diagram corrections.
Maybe he will send the hex code for the Atmel too.
You will not know how to complete this LRL until you ask the right persons who actually know the answers for how to make it work.
But nobody here except hung believes it will work.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by J_Player

This is a circuit diagram for a simple AM radio receiver. There is no BFO connected anywhere here.
You can connect a speaker or headphones to the location marked for LED and you will hear music if it is tuned to a radio station.
Or you can watch the LED become bright if it is picking up a radio signal.


Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P

Tell me if is possible to hear music also with the Mini Zahori circuit . Yes or not ?
Mini Zahori is one Ion locator.

Regards

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Morgan

Hi J_P

Tell me if is possible to hear music also with the Mini Zahori circuit . Yes or not ?
Mini Zahori is one Ion locator.

Regards

Hi Morgan. If you hear music with your Ion locator, it is not magic inside, it is only about bad design.

Another example: take one active audio amplifier and touch it with wire end on different circuit points. There is a quite reliable that after touch some points you will hear music (from your local radio station).

wire (or PCB copper track) + semiconductor element (working as diode) + voice element (buzzer) => primitive radio receiver.

Such random configurations can be found in most circuits. It is on designer to prevent such unintended radio receiving (eg. by RF shielding).

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by WM6

If you hear music with your Ion locator, it is not magic inside, it is only about bad design.

Another example: take one active audio amplifier and touch it with wire end on different circuit points. There is a quite reliable that after touch some points you will hear music (from your local radio station).

wire (or PCB copper track) + semiconductor element (diode) + voice element (buzzer) => primitive radio receiver.

Such random configurations can be found in most circuits. It is on designer to prevent such unintended radio receiving (eg. by RF shielding).

Ok, understand, i see is very simple to build one radio receiver...

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Morgan

Hi J_P

Tell me if is possible to hear music also with the Mini Zahori circuit . Yes or not ?
Mini Zahori is one Ion locator.

Regards

Hi Morgan,
It is possible to hear music in some conditions with the thing that you call Zahori and Mini Zahori.
The reason is because you built something different than the Zahori, then you called it Zahori instead of calling it by the correct name.
We all know the Zahori uses a group of 4016 switches to unload the antenna and to operate a sample and hold module.
What you built does not have these identifying features found in the real Zahori, and is not a Zahori.

So it is very possible they you can tune music that is broadcast from the circuits you built which ARE NOT ZAHORI circuits.
I saw one of your circuits that was a modification of a circuit I drew, that is not related to the Zahori, but you were calling it MINI ZAHORI...!

Even a well-designed real zahori circuit can be made to tune music under some conditions by adjusting the digital filter frequency, but the circuits you showed were not Zahori circuits.
I watched you post several charge detector based circuits in the Zahori thread which were not Zahoris at all.
You only gave them the name of Zahori and caused confusion to make people believe the Zahori is acting as a radio tuner.
Furthermore, most of your circuits have secret parts which prevent anyone from knowing how to expect they will respond to RF.
How can anyone know if there are any hidden semiconductors or coils that are tuning radio broadcasts?
Even when you post most of the circuit, we see there are more details in the construction that are not shown in the circuit diagram such as coils wound around wires in a toroid form, antenna wires crossing over other antenna wires passive metal parts near the antenna, undisclosed materials sandwiched between coils with strange electrical connections.
How can anyone determine whether your circuits can tune music if they only see the parts of a circuit diagram that you show, without knowing what other hidden parts are connected or what strange construction methods were used which could tune or not tune RF?
None of the hidden parts can be seen in a simple circuit diagram, nor can loose wires or strange parts interfering with the antenna or any of the layout.
I have seen nowhere that you ever posted in one single post the complete circuit diagram and all the construction details for any of your LRL projects.
We find new hints and details about your circuit constructions scattered all over the different threads.

If you want my opinion of whether one of your LRLs can tune music, then post the full schematic and photos of all the parts to show how they are positioned in relation to the antenna and batteries, including the hidden parts.
Until I see all the details, I will think you are not talking about a Zahori locator.
And I will think it is an electronic box that may or may not be built in a way that is capable of tuning radio sounds.


Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Morgan,
It is possible to hear music in some conditions with the thing that you call Zahori and Mini Zahori.
The reason is because you built something different than the Zahori, then you called it Zahori instead of calling it by the correct name.
We all know the Zahori uses a group of 4016 switches to unload the antenna and to operate a sample and hold module.
What you built does not have these identifying features found in the real Zahori, and is not a Zahori.

So it is very possible they you can tune music that is broadcast from the circuits you built which ARE NOT ZAHORI circuits.
I saw one of your circuits that was a modification of a circuit I drew, that is not related to the Zahori, but you were calling it MINI ZAHORI...!

Even a well-designed real zahori circuit can be made to tune music under some conditions by adjusting the digital filter frequency, but the circuits you showed were not Zahori circuits.
I watched you post several charge detector based circuits in the Zahori thread which were not Zahoris at all.
You only gave them the name of Zahori and caused confusion to make people believe the Zahori is acting as a radio tuner.
Furthermore, most of your circuits have secret parts which prevent anyone from knowing how to expect they will respond to RF.
How can anyone know if there are any hidden semiconductors or coils that are tuning radio broadcasts?
Even when you post most of the circuit, we see there are more details in the construction that are not shown in the circuit diagram such as coils wound around wires in a toroid form, antenna wires crossing over other antenna wires passive metal parts near the antenna, undisclosed materials sandwiched between coils with strange electrical connections.
How can anyone determine whether your circuits can tune music if they only see the parts of a circuit diagram that you show, without knowing what other hidden parts are connected or what strange construction methods were used which could tune or not tune RF?
None of the hidden parts can be seen in a simple circuit diagram, nor can loose wires or strange parts interfering with the antenna or any of the layout.
I have seen nowhere that you ever posted in one single post the complete circuit diagram and all the construction details for any of your LRL projects.
We find new hints and details about your circuit constructions scattered all over the different threads.

If you want my opinion of whether one of your LRLs can tune music, then post the full schematic and photos of all the parts to show how they are positioned in relation to the antenna and batteries, including the hidden parts.
Until I see all the details, I will think you are not talking about a Zahori locator.
And I will think it is an electronic box that may or may not be built in a way that is capable of tuning radio sounds.


Best wishes,
J_P

Hi dear J_P

I have no secrets to MINI ZAHORI OR PISTOLDETEKTOR(Alonso´s PD). i supose i explain everything in the threads,no secrets at all.

The MINI ZAHORI,if i dont sell it for the miserable amount of 75E during this year,i will send to you next Christmas as a gift,and you can check that i´m right,no secrets.