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New PDK
Here is my final version of PDK.
It is more sensitive than PDK 2.0 and detects very easy the phenomenon. It needs a retune after 2 min and after it can work 1 hour without the needing of new tuning.
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10-31-2012, 10:24 AM
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10-31-2012, 01:31 PM
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Here some questions : 1-distance for a 1,5V spark 2-target distance 3-It can locate gold in front of OO coils ? 4-what is the working frequency ? Regards
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10-31-2012, 02:31 PM
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Hi Geo , can you post more photos (front,left right side) or Video from your new very sensitive PDK.
Maybe it works with TX-RX (so like Normal MD) + Magnetic Field Receiver and Passive Ferrite Receiver with fine adjust. Congratulation ... Regards. 
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10-31-2012, 06:27 PM
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Hi Geo, good work. Again congratulation. we assume it's very very nice working detector and bla bala bla..... so what?  Frankly; we all know all members here are thirsty for complete information to make it as you yourself are such for a device. finally what will you do about informing us? Tell it honestly; do you have any decision to help us make it or no it's just a show of this device or like past, again some useless defective information to cutting our hands of accessing to a good LRL? If is like past tell us from now to know not waste our times on this case.
of course I'm sure you won't give us the whole information.
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10-31-2012, 08:19 PM
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Since this is an open forum, I don't think Geo or any other person who has built their devices would be that naive or idiot enough to post his project and plans here. With all the starving businessmen around, specially the owner of this site for a LRL project to put their hands on, I even think he is in risk disclosing the insides of his device.
With my Tubedec, I only show pictures from minimum of 4 feet away. And sorry, only from the outer shell.
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10-31-2012, 09:50 PM
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Hi Hung, I think that, with one or some Picture not have luck for build this LRL, because not have full schematic or detail information how works it. Only info for general works.
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11-02-2012, 03:35 AM
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Congratulations Michael
If someone wants to make money from PDK, go ahead and open a personal web site about your work and your buissness., cause has i understood the first time i joinned this web site, it was for people that wants to experiment and share real information to build they own detectors. I think is not good to stay here, get a lot of information from members experiments and then build a device that finally is a super secret that at end will not share full information. Has Michael says, i feel the same way, cause this long range locators site have the same objective has geotech1.com, sharing information to build a working detector and then members contribute with experiments to get better performance of a working proyect. but here i have seen no device that really works, only smoke curtins with false data, so this way if you build something, will never work unless you pay for one unit. Belive it or not, in this world there are a lot of people that don´t have abilities to build a MD or PD, even if you send them full schematics they could not build a working device, so i don´t understand why not to share. Personally i have a bad expirence from people who asked me on PM some information that i have and after i send it to them, no more emails or PM, and of course, no data sharing to get a working device. If anyone have a device that works and is a private work and experiments and wants to let us know his job here, is diferent, cause he did not got information from members. He investigate and experiments by his own. Finally i hope someday we can get our own PD working instead of thinking on buying it at an overprice, cause i m shure if we open it and after removing all componets cover materials, will find the same circuit we all know with some minor mods. For people who wants to build a PD or PDK, get Carls book and find there some very good information to understand this devices work. On the book you will find good tips that if you read and read, you will get a much clear idea on how to build one and with experimentation i bealive you will get the idea to get a good working machine. Regards Nelson Regards Nelson Quote:
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11-03-2012, 05:10 AM
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 At least two members of this longrangelocating forum have discovered the true purpose of the forum. The purpose of the longrangelocator forum is not the same as the Geotech forum. In the Geotech forum, we see members posting some very advanced cutting-edge designs and sharing information to build working detectors that are more advanced than you can buy in a store. But in the longrangelocator forum we see photos of sloppy-looking hand-built locators which were made by hobbyists who have no intention to show us how to build a working copy. We see some photos of a long range locator, and a few hints for what parts are used, but the secrets are hidden behind smoke curtains with false data. This method of forum posts was started in the longrange locator forum in 2006 when Esteban began showing photos, along with tiny thumbnail images of the schematics that cannot be read. The question arises: Why do these people show photos of thier "working detectors", then tell us they are a secret? The answer is clear: They are trying to improve their prestige and glory by showing off what they have, but you cannot have. What other reason could there be? In all the time when Esteban was posting photos of his LRLs, he never gave the full details of how to build a working copy. Then we see several other forum members copied his technique to gain glory for themselves. But there are actually other reasons why people male posts in this forum. Here are a few examples: 1. Manufacturers who want to sell their proprietary designs come here to advertise their products by making forum posts. We see good examples of this by Morgan, Dell Winders, and Crypton. In the case of Crypton, it seems that the posts are usually made by customers or readers who see the products on the website. I do not see Crypton actively advertising here. In the case of Morgan, he has been a long time member to the longrangelocators forum, and is a friend to most of us. We all remember him as the person who will never show all the secrets to build a working copy of his locators, same as Esteban. 2. Some people who show posts of their LRLs in this forum are trying to convince other readers that they have built locators which work very well to locate at long distance. We all have seen the videos of locators locating olive trees and metal garage doors. Actually when I look back, some of these videos appear to be true long range locating. I remember seeing Morgan and Geo use the Alonso PD in a manner which appeared to show beeping at a long-time buried gold medal from a distance of 2 meters. I also saw MIJ's excellent video showing some interesting detection from a similar distance. But, putting aside the few good videos I have seen, I see a lot of people come here to pretend they have a good long range locator, such as the hung Tubedec, which has no documentation at all for its performance. What we were shown in the Tubedec post is simply an excercise in product packaging. The performance is not expected to be any better than a Mineoro DCH85, which is easy to reverse-engineer. 3. Let's look at some other projects we see in the longrangelocator forum which have complete schematics to build. These are mostly MFD signal generators and static charge detectors. Do they work? According to the people who built them and tested them, they do not locate treasure. We see only Esteban claims they work. Then we read that Esteban did not tell us the secret antenna details which must be done in order to make his zahori work. 4. Finally, we see posts which are made by evil skeptics. Most of these posts are making fun at LRLs, and warning people that they do not work. But we also see some other posts by skeptics which provide some solid electronic circuits that can accomplish the electronic objectives of LRL experimenters. These are a real help to the users of LRL's, because most LRL users are not capable of designing circuits without some help to show them what parts to use, and what circuits to copy. Did you ever wonder why most LRL users don't know much about electronics? I never wondered. But that's Just me. The only thing I wondered is why people come here to show photos of their really, really working LRLs, when they have no proof that they are really, really working, and they have no intention of showing other readers how to build a working copy. The answer I discovered is these people have a need to show photos to convince others that they have built their brilliant contraptions which nobody else can have. Maybe this makes them feel as if they are better than others who do not show photos of a really, really working LRL, that nobody else can have. I suppose this constant bragging about really, really working LRLs explains why this is the biggest longrangelocators forum in the world. People come here and see the photos, then they make posts to find out how they can build the same really, really working LRL. Then they find out they cannot have the really, really working LRL. They can only look at photos, and envy the brilliant designer who built it. Then, after they become discouraged and leave, there are plenty of new suckers to come and replace them. Just like PT Barnham said... "There's another sucker borne every minute". Am I right? Or do I have the wrong idea?  Best wishes,  J_P
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11-03-2012, 12:43 PM
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Great theory, J_P, but not the only theory. Hung says the purpose of the forum (established by Carl Moreland) is to get LRL fans to divulge their secrets so he can get filthy rich stealing their ideas. So of course the fans have to protect their IP.
Now it must be admitted that this is a rather funny theory for several reasons. 1. Carl is a master electronics engineer who knows how to build various kinds of long range locating equipment, has built some of it, and works for White's which manufactures some of it. But there's this embarrassing problem: the stuff works, nobody disputes that it works, and that's what makes it NOT an "LRL". You will see in this forum that LRL fans have zero interest in discussing long range locating equipment that actually works. Therefore it's obvious that LRL fans and "skeptics" alike agree on what an LRL is or isn't. Really works, not fraudulent? Not an LRL, this is an LRL forum. 2. If Carl's gonna steal someone's LRL IP, all he's gotta do is to buy one and reverse engineer it. Now if the electronic jimcrackery is all a ruse and what really makes it work is majick pixiedust, he may not know about the pixiedust and therefore his copy ain't gonna work. But this would only prove what he's been saying all along-- that the electronics are fraudulent. 3. Several manufacturers of LRL's, their own advertising makes it clear that the apparatus is fraudulent. Nothing there that Carl would want to "steal"! 4. Mineoro, as it turns out, does have a trade secret-- that they use secret transmitters to make the receiver beep at the right time when doing a "demo". Guess who revealed this trade secret? It was Hung himself who admitted that at least some of the time they use a sonde transmitter buried near the target! 5. If Carl's gonna "steal someone's LRL IP", either he can't recognize IP worth "stealing" or nobody's posted anything worth "stealing". This forum has been running for how long now? (Hint: since a long time before he went to work for White's.) By Hung's theory, this forum has been an abject failure, if Carl came to his senses he'd shut it down. 6. By Hung's theory, nobody who knows anything about LRL's that actually work should be posting here, because after all the whole purpose of the forum is for Carl (or anyone else as smart as Carl) to swipe IP! But as it turns out, this is the liveliest LRL site on the planet. Nobody's making LRL fans and even manufacturers and their reps post here, they do it of their own volition. * * * * * * * So, when it comes to shameless ridiculosity, Hung's theory is certainly the best. But back in the world of "read the advertisement" reality, J_P seems to have the best explanation. --Dave J.
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Maybe that's where I went wrong with the TOTeM PDK in Chapter 14 of "Inside the METAL DETECTOR". I should have made a number of intentional mistakes in the design, missed out some vital pieces of information, and only hinted at the correct method of coil balancing. Because everything is fully explained in the text, and it was designed by a skeptic, it cannot possibly be any good.  The whole point of TOTeM is to act as an experimental platform, if you want to investigate the exceptionally "gray" area of LRL pistols. There are no guarantees that you will find any treasure, but there again you won't have to spend mega-bucks on an LRL that will give the same result. Even if you're a skeptic (like me) it's an interesting project to build and test. You can see first-hand why so many people are convinced by this "technology".
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11-03-2012, 07:24 PM
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""""""""""""""We see good examples of this by Morgan, Dell Winders, and Crypton."""""""""" It seems the rebelion starts... My Answer to this,i´m not promoting the PDK´s to sell here,i post evidence and videos that PDK is one LRL that it works. The PDK´s i sold it start for friends,then the friends ask more PDK´s for other friends and is a cicle. I even not answer to PM´s of other people from Turkya,Philiphines etc. Most of PDK´s i sold,the owners sent me emails talking about the finds,distances and deeps,its good for scientic evidence about the LRL, and the fact that i sold one PDK to Mexico is my coriousity if PDK work the same in so far country,it seems yes. Most of PDK´s was sold to Greece,one owner found little treasure(2000 Y.o gold objects) . The fact that the PDK is sucessful in other countries make me desire to help the TH´s,but as result i spend most of my free time building PDK´s,and dont have time for my TH searches with my own PDK... The standard price of 400E + transportation cost,is enough for the difficult task of building the handmade LRL,however maybe i earn more if start searches in Germany,Greece,UK ,using my PDK-3 (UNIQUE). So,i want to give you the ideia that i´m not a LRL producer that expose the product here in your forum to catch clients,what happening is the forum members who convince me to build the PDK´s for them,and this is diferent from what Dell,or Andreas are doing,they are legal LRL makers with all rights to anounce their products here,this is normal in LRL forum.
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11-03-2012, 11:02 PM
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Rebellion? What rebellion? Everyone knows that neither Geo or you will be showing complete details to make construction of your LRLs. Nobody is making a rebellion about this fact. The stream of people who believe you will show them how to make a copy, and then learn you will not show show them has long been established. I am simply congratulating michael and Nelson for discovering this fact. Do you believe I have the wrong idea? This never was a rebellion, yet you try to make it seem as if it is a rebellion? For what reason? Does it make damage to your sales of PDK if I congratulate michael and Nelson for finding the truth? Everyone here knows you are selling various versions of your PDK LRL. You must tell the truth, Morgan! The truth is you continue to promote your PDK and take orders even while you say you are not promoting your PDK. Here are your words from various posts you made in this forum: Quote:
Look at the top blue box where I quote the words you just typed into the forum.... You are advertising the performance of your PDK and the price... People can see your advertisement here and send in their order. Who are you trying to fool? We already know you are a manufacturer of LRLS. We know you are promoting your PDK in this forum. Look at the post below this... you can see daryo is already responding to your advertisement!  You must send him a PM to tell him you are very busy, but you will sell him a PDK as soon as you have time to build it. Your method of advertising is the same method which Dell winders uses to advertise his Omnitorn products. Dell has a long history of hijacking threads to change the topic to his products. It is exactly as you did to hijack the new Crypton Mini topic to change the focus to the PDK.... See here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...2&postcount=68 http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...4&postcount=72 Dell Winders makes most of his Omnitron products by hand and sells them using the same method as you do. Dell advertises by looking for a competitor product shown in the forum, then he puts a new post to tell how his products are really really working, maybe better than the competitor product, same as you do. Maybe you learned this technique of advertising from reading posts that were made by Dell Winders? You want me to believe there is a rebellion starting, and that you are not advertising to sell your LRLs? Ok, I will pretend to believe you. Just as I will pretend to believe that you are really trying to show other readers how they can make a copy of the wonderful PDK that you show photos of. But just because I pretend to believe you are only interested to show other treasure hunters how to build a really, really working LRL does not mean it is the truth. Other readers can decide for themselves what is the truth, just as michael and Nelson did. Again... congratulations to michael and Nelson for discovering the truth about the longrangelocators forum Best wishes, J_P
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The process of tuning coils and adjust value of capacitor to locate the electromagnetic field around the buried object,IS EXTREMLY DIFICULT,not for everybody,need skill and patient. Sure i will not put the schematic here. 10 PDK´s was sold, and oly three of the owners complain that PDK not locate gold yet,however i said them to send me back the PDK´s if not happy,they refuse,what you think about that ? For your happiness i decide today finish PDK´s construction,are you happy ? not want to use the forum to promote LRL,the few people that are waithing this devices can forget it. Now i will spend the free time in searching for treasures,of course,with PDK and a good metal detector,i have the best for TH... Regards
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You are telling all the readers of this forum that if they learn the truth, then you will start a rebellion? Who is this rebellion? Is it Morgan and Geo against the world? I don't believe it!  I think the people who read this forum are smart enough to understand what is truth, and what is advertising to sell LRLs. But why must you start a rebellion? You see all the people who beg for you to sell them your PDK. And now you tell them you will not sell them your PDK because you want a rebellion? Why? This is difficult to understand. Is it because michael and Nelson and saw the truth? Sure, we know you are selling your LRLs, but what is wrong with selling LRLs? There is no rule which says you cannot use this forum to advertise your LRLs and sell them here. I think it is a good idea to sell your PDK in this forum. If enough people buy the PDK, then we can see people post the results that they find with the PDK. We all want to see treasures that were found with the PDK, because the PDK is the most highly advertised LRL in the forum at this time. It is good for the forum to see more reports of recoveries made with the PDK. Why must you make a rebellion to stop selling PDKs? You must understand... I do not have any problem to see many photos of your PDK and your advertising for the PDK in this forum. The only problem I explained is that you are not honest, to say you are not advertising your PDK. It is fine with me if you advertise your PDK, but you should not pretend you are not advertising your PDK and selling it here. There is no shame to advertise your LRLs for sale here. Dell winders has been advertising his Omnitrons here for many years. You certainly are permitted to use the same forum as Dell Winders uses to advertise your PDKs. Selling PDKs here is good for the forum, to help remain the biggest LRL forum in the world. I am sure your customers will forgive you if you do not post your schematics here... same as they forgave Esteban. You say only 3 of 10 PDK customers complained about poor detection? I think this is not a problem for us. We all know that Carl's test requires only 70% detection... So your PDK has passed the 70% rule and is proven to be good. Quote:
You make a mistake. I am not happy to see you abandon your customers. I prefer that you spend your time manufacturing LRLs for them. Treasure hunting is a fun hobby. But there is a business ethic to be loyal to your customers, which is more important than to ignore your customers so you can use your time to indulge in your favorite hobbies. If you want to make me happy, then you will spend your time manufacturing your PDKs, and give good service to your customers. Best of luck with your LRL business. Best wishes, J_P
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You are 100% correct Qiaozhi
The book explains everithing you need to buils, experiment and test a pdk. Even you can get correct information to upgrade you basic pdk build by some members and also my self. Regards Nelson Quote:
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Sorry Morgan, but i think J_Player is correct.
My english is not 100% correct, but i just want you to know that i agree with J_Player comments. You know what, i m tired to read post about pdk with no sense at the end, no full schematics, just sales and more sales. I don´t like to get a schematic telling you that this is the correct circuit for a working machine. Then you go and buy electronics components, build or design a pcb, mount components, test the circuit and finally you see a non working machine. Then you ask for help and here the problem starts when you just recibe smoke curtains to confuse you and also to obligate you again to buy more components, because the bad calls gurus, are telling you that your must go and replace or mod your circuit. THen again you go for more components to do this gurus mods, and then the same, pdk does not work. Again, you the stupid or ignorant that did not assemble pdk in the correct way, so again you must correct the supose errors you made. For example, when you send me pdk schematics you said, here is pdk schematic, but this is secret and don´t tell anyone that i send you this. Today i m still waiting for that working pdk schematic, and i thank Good i did not buy pdk from you, because we know that information will be realise here very soon or someone will post working pdk circuit. About crypton mini, this is diferent, cause Andreas have made his work on secret and results of his work are posted on his web site. Andreas never send non sence information, and if he is now selling a new machine, that fine because he is working by his own and not with the help of longrangelocators.com members. I hope not to hear again and again the same words, i hope to hear some real information for hobbist interest about a pd or pdk build. Regards Nelson Quote:
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I'm an experimenter with a good knowledge and practice in electronics, helped me a lot tips and considerations of Esteban and the experiences of Geo and Morgan, but the essential point was the fact that they testified that the phenomenon is real and this spurred me to continue in my research. I can understand that they don't want to disclose their diagrams but in the RS forum I have given some suggestions and a schemas of my working lrl and I have helped Nelson in its realization. I think that the purpose of this forum it's to share our experiences not the full project with schemas and printed board. Best Regards
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If is your desire i can put here one email you sent me. In this letter you telling me that pick clear signals (with your handmade PDK-1) in one parivate propriety,during your vacations. In the letter you explain that is a problem for you if digging in this place... Well,i allways thought that you built correctly your LRL. Now whart you telling me is diferent thig,are you a lier ,or just playing with me ? Best regards
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Hi FrancoItaly
Yes you are right, but what i don t like is that everytime you need assistance, finally you get uncomplete information that at the end just confuse you. I m not an engenier in electronics, i just have very small knolegmens in electronics, so thing are more complicated for me when one day you get one way to do things and the next day you know that what you have done and invest on a project was wrong. This is different has is on geotech1.com, cause there you start a project and then you do some mods that correct your equipment to get better performance. But here when you build pdk for example and some guru members said that your RX coil is a round coil with xx numbers of turns and xx capacitor value and then you found that the smoke curtain covers your eyes because your RX round coil is the TX coil and this coil works with an oscillator and also that your real RX coil is a ferrite antenna, is not transparent advice has you wish. Another example, i posted a few questions about coils and capacitors value to make a resonant L/C frequency for my pdk. This was calculated at a xx values and then when i asked here if my calculations are correct, then again i receive another smoke curtain telling me that my calculations were wrong. Fortunately today with the help of some good people which includes your self, things are more clear and this also show me who are the real gurus in this topic. GURUS? Not really, i think no one can claim to be a GURU, cause if they got a working pdk, is because they got success thanks to they have access to do reverse engineering on detectors like Mineoro and other brands, devices that are for me to expensive to get on my hands. Andreas have release Crypton Mini, that worked in silence and now he is posting that is ready for sale at a very good price. He did not comment his project here, he just builded and tested his devices, and never posted about his project because at the first time he knows it was for sale and not to be share. So again, if pdk1, 2 and 3 is posted here, we understand that is for sharing information. Honestly if Morgan will have posted something like, "hi members, i m working on a new project named pdk and if i get success with it, i will not release or share any information about schematics, because when i get it ready, this will be a project just for sale". Take for sure that i will not lost my time and happiness bealiving that working together with some members i will get a working pdk has it is on geotech1.com projects. Finally i just want to thanks to you and good friends who are helping me to develop a pdk and lrl that is still under test and some mods to get it working soon i hope. Also thanks to good information posted on "Inside metal detectors book", that it has very clear information about LRL, PD and PDK and also full schematics of a working TOTem that in a few steps show you get a clear picture on how to build and work this device. Sooner i will draw a pcb for TOTem and i will posted here with authorization of Qiazori. I hope anyone understand my opinions and just let know that i don t want to fight with anyone, cause i just want to build and test this tech for my own personal use. Regards Nelson Quote:
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I believe you have the correct idea. There was a time when people made posts in this forum to show complete schematics, with no hidden parts, and no secrets. You can see a good example in the Ivconic negative charge detector here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...ad.php?t=11392 In this topic, you will see the full circuit for Ivconic's charge detector, with many tips, and modifications to get very sensitive detection. You will see many forum members making comments to improve the electronics. And you will see the final circuit is a rather sophisticated differential amplifier design. As you read through the thread, you will find four additional full schematics of simpler charge detectors posted. This is one place where you will find most of the best designs for electric charge detectors all in one place. Any hobbyists can read, and find all details and tips to build these charge detectors. But most important, Carl-NC is the owner of this forum --- Here is what Carl-NC said when he saw the posts in the Ivconic negative charge detector thread: Quote:
You can see that Carl-NC also agrees with your idea. Carl intended for hobbyists to learn how to experiment with long range locating together in this forum. He did not intend that this is a place to show photos of secret LRLs which nobody else can have, or posting misleading information, or missing parts which make the design impossible. But we see most of the posts in this longrangelocator forum are now showing photos of secret circuits LRLs which you will not be shown how to build. The exceptions where we see complete circuits and projects come from a few skeptics who post complete circuits for other people to build, and from a few LRL hobbyists who truly are interested in sharing their experiments with other hobbyists. While Carl did not intend this forum to be used as a place to show photos of secret detectors with false data, and hidden smoke screens, he did not make any rules to stop them. So it is okay with the forum rules for people to come here to brag about locators which you cannot have to make experiments with. And it has always been okay for manufacturers to advertise their products here, as long as they make their advertisements in the form of posts which tell detection information before people to send in their orders. Already you have discovered there are some forum members who send you some real help, not smoke screens and missing data. Maybe you will see these same people are the ones who you read making posts and giving tips in the Ivconic negative ion detector post from my link above. And you have seen some of your best help came from the book that was written by the biggest skeptics of the entire forum... Carl-NC and Qiaozhi. Of course, there is no need for any fight. Manufacturers are welcome here. You have learned that you will not be getting complete details for experimenting from Morgan or Geo or hung, and probably some others who did not post in this thread. But this is not a reason for a rebellion or a fight. This forum was intended for hobbyists to work together to share their ideas and find success with their experiments. The truth is known, so you are now free to look in the directions which you feel are most productive. You already are learning which forum members are interested in this same idea that you have. I see FrancoItaly also understands the truth of this forum. We know FrancoItaly is one of the better engineers in this forum, with a good understanding of electronics and very competent in his design work. I congratulate FrancoItaly, michael, and Nelson for discovering the truth of how this forum works. It seems you all paid the price of wasted hours building impossible circuits, but with your persistence, I am sure there is no obstacle you cannot overcome. Hopefully others can read, and understand to save themselves the trouble you went to. Best Wishes, J_P
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