Stop Or Proof!

[Funfinder]

especially @Geo, humhum and hung

Please can you prove your stuff first and afterwards make everything looking fine!

You are perhaps 5 out of 1000 persons who think that this stuff works at all.
A technology that is far too stupid to pass any real technical and repeatable test.

But you make it here look like anyone can find silver-treasures with it!

You are like astrologers around theirselves who give them each other right.
"Yeah, I saw that in 2020 a good year will come!"
"You're right my friend, I saw it too!"
blablabla!

Since when pure physicalic glowing gasballs can think and know what's going on on little earth?!

If you find anything then just because your detectors find "rough anomalies"
most of them in the field of earth-magnetic and EM-field concentrations.

btw. if your LRLs are already that reliable and improved that you all are agreeing
with that then why they are still too unworthy for a real test-session?!

Of course such tests must imitate real conditions.
But this means that first we have to accompany you while treasure-hunting
to see on what kind of "real base" you find something or if you just dig here and
there and everywhere after any little beep and 19 out of 20 times you dig out nothing!

You are claiming here that your Mineoros, PDKs and other stuff reacts on buried metal !!!
Even from far away.
So prove that it reacts reliable just on metal and not at places where nothing can be found after digging.

If someone watches you hunting with your LRLs he wants to see a clear
signal-metal-relation. Are you able to provide it or not?

And if you can prove it when a witness is with you, reliable and repeated,
we even need no "clinical tests" with "evil" no-long-time-ago objects.

If you are fair to yourself and to others you make very clear what your detector
really is able to find and what not!

If it reacts on EM-field anomalies from a longer distance - fine -
but this doesn't means that it reacts reliable on every little buried metal stuff.

btw. even the TOTEM-clone which is know as to be built up on such kind of "principle"
as your PDK etc., was not able to reproduce really satisfying results!

So why you guys don't improve the TOTEM up to a real working level
if you are that good in electronics and modification so everyone knows
from first hand that what you are saying about the Mineoro also is true?

And concerning the PDK and the Mineoro you have to prove first that it really
reacts on metal and not just on all kinds of EM-field differences or concentrations.

This also would be a very interesting question:
Do you guys: @Geo, humhum and hung claim that the TOTEM really works?

And if not I'm shure you already know why it does not work, correct?

But I'm shure that of course you will tell everyone that the TOTEM really works
because you are so fanatic in this area so you even ignore what Qiaozhi says about it!

For luck so far the TOTEM does not exists as a real buyable LRL for 1000s of bucks!
Otherwise we would have the same huge amount of unsatisfied customers as we
have already very clearly with OKM, Mineoro and this new stuff from DeltaPulse with
its L-rods: http://www.notsi.com/?p=2408

I have a good idea:
If you refuse to make real trustworthy tests but instead promote here your stuff
with glossy silver-coins how would it be if someone acts the same incorrect as you,
comes to your house and steals your super detectors and tests it on its own?!
Posting the results on the internet! Would you like that, would you prefer that?

If you wanna open a: "we see fancy treasures with our LRLs"-Club go ahead
but please do it where nobody gets disturbed or betrayed by your shiny claims!
There are enough such "we can see and find ghosts"-clubs out there,
and with a little modification I'm shure your unprovable wonder-detectors also locate
ghosts or cursed artefacts!

Don't you understand you are here in a technical forum and as long as you can't
provide hard facts, true tests, scientifical based concepts and rational arguments
you will be seen here as fantasts, as story-tellers or even as self-betrayed liars!

And you're not the only one in this world who are absolutly shure that it is the
truth what they think! There are millions of such lunatics out there who just
wanna believe in what feels good or important to them, gurus and sharlatans,
astrologers and psycics, fortune tellers and beliefers of the craziest stuff!

You should join them, they will invite you with open arms, because they believe
every crap anyway!

But here you will have to argument with clear logical working electronic circuits or
schematics and with real reprovable and testable results or you are a story-teller!

If you are really so convinced that your LRLs are working please do yourself and
your prefered LRL-producing companies a favor and prove that they really work!

If you can't, please let us in peace here with your fairy-tale-stories and join persons
who believe in every little bull-sh*t!

Seen from a technical-expert-point of view you must be complete losers if you
can't prove at all that your stuff really works! Because there is just a tiny little
bit of simple circuits stuff inside and no treasure-ghosts who create the signals!

[daniel]

Im new here but I saw several videos and they looked promising like this one here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBlRxVOGSN4&app=desktop

Therefore I started researching this whole LRL stuff in my spare time and finally built my own PDK22SE device for personal use. I've read hours and hours through many posts to gather some valuable information. Now it gives me repeatable beeps but thats all. Didn't found antything by now but I was testing it only 2 days ago. I have no test field with burried objects to actually see how it reacts and to interpret the signals.

Seems like people here are building these devices already for a couple of years and still trying to improve the device. This is not very encouraging.

Also other people think they can sell devices and make thousands of dollars for ugly boxes filled with foam but buyers are not dumb. They want proof by renting them for 1-2 weeks to do their own tests. It's all about marketing and proof of concept.

Making a legal commercial project here in Germany is almost impossible you will need certificate TÜV, VDE, CE and Receiver registration. And then you will have ridiculously expensive prices like OKM.

OKM have nicely designed devices but no proof. All people I know who own OKM stuff said it's huge BS and sold it asap.

[Funfinder]

Thanx for your reply.


> Seems like people here are building these devices already for a couple of years and still trying to improve the device. This is not very encouraging

They are like building a TV for 20 years but still nobody can proven watch with it!


They are just an evil joke for the real technical and electronic using world, its undescribable!

If they would built smartphones they wouldn't need an extra pocket for it,
because they would get forced to carry their crap "where the sun don't shine".


But in the field of "magic treausure hunting methods" like dowsing or L-rods
they are able to impress uneducated or superstitious victims with their nice
pseudo-success-stories and rip them off by 1000s of bucks!


Too bad not all countries in this world have such strict technical-orders and laws
including safety and functionality-tests like Germany or Middle-Europe!
Otherwise the half of the pro LRL people here from this forum would have been
shut down or would sit in jail since a long time!

But we see with OKM from Eastern-Germany how clever and cunning,
how tricky and deceiving those "super detector providers" are working.

Thats also the reason why our so extremly clever electronically-devices building
pro and yeah my LRL works - guys haven't even the slightest clue on what kind
of detection principle their stuff is working!

In the 21st century they still are talking about "phenomenons" which gets
"magically" created after the metal ins buried for a longer time in the soil.

They deceive theirselves and try to deceive others like astrologers who are
crazy in believing that stars are knowing the smallest part of everyones future!


In the end they dig their own hole or grave because the real treasure-hunting world
just looks with anger and hate at them and their absurd doings.

They are not even real inventors or discoverers because otherwise they would have
made real useful progresses since a long time which would be seen as remarkable!

The opposite is the case, they are still circling around the same notworking crap as
10 years ago! They failed to grow completly, mother nature should sort them out!


But its their personal "holy grail" so we must leave it to them, so they have something to play.
Give a child a compass and tell him it can find treasures with it and its completly the same!



> I have no test field with burried objects to actually see how it reacts and to interpret the signals.

Forget about such "long buried objects test field" because its not of use!
You can't calibrate such detectors at testfield conditions only, it has to work almost
everywhere. They would need a "phenomenon-auto-adjusting-circuit" but too bad,
they have no clue what is this phenomenon at all!

Too bad for them, while every little electronic-engineer-student just needs a short
look at those lousy receiver-stage-schematics and knows exactly what the crap is
going on!

It does NOT detect any phenomenons but only weak EM-field changes or anomalies!
And if they can be everywhere also false detection-signals can be everywhere!


Those pro LRLers are like priests who think just because they have some followers
and believe in the same stuff or gods they would be on the right trip!

But you will recognize them on their fruits they are bearing.... (an old bible-saying)

And the fruits of the pro LRLers are foul and evil, money-robbing and poisoned!
No real good "fruit-market" or better metal-detector shop wants this bad fruits!