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Where does this information come from? Can you tell where you learned this so we can read about it too? Or is it is rumors? I don't know how good Crypton is. But I know from watching the g-sani video that it did not beep when he moved it past the metal detector which has a steel case. And I read Rubin reports that it cannot detect a magnet. And I also saw two videos that show it locating non-ferous metal. This makes me think that is does not detect magnetic fields. To me it does not matter what components other people are guessing, because a guess is the same as a rumor. But It looks to be a fact that it did not beep when g-sani moved it past the steel parts of his metal detector. And I do not believe that both g-sani and Rubin are both making false reports to say it does not detect steel. I do not know Rubin, but I know very well g-sani will never tell a lie to make false reports of the performance he sees from a locator. Maybe we will see more reports from people who show it beeps only at magnetic fields. But I have not seen any real report that shows an observation that it beeps at a magnetic field. I only read reports that say it fails to beep at magnetic fields and it detects non ferous. (This is also exactly what the Crypton factory people tell us). Also... did you stop to think that the ciricuit board you saw is only one of several circuit boards inside which is used to hold the amplifier, and connects to other circuit boards which hold other components that were not shown? Did you begin to think the Crypton may have many circuit boards similar to how your PD has many circuit boards? When I see videos and reports that it does not detect ferrous metals or magnets, this is the reason I begin to think there is more circuitry than a single circuit booard. I begin to think the sensor cannot be a fluxgate magnetometer, because it fails to find a magnet..! No photograph of a circuit board or guessing what components are hidden inside the box can prove that g-sani is telling lies.  I really don't know what is the full range of this Crypton locator. Maybe it is good and maybe not. I think we will see what are the facts of the range after we read more field reports from people who use the Crypton, and tell what they see it is doing. But I did read the report that more testing is being done because of a winter weather problem, and that modifications will be made to change the performance. Those are the only facts I have seen from authoritative sources. I will be watching to see more reports of the Crypton performance when the modifications are done. But I will also be watching to see how your new PD performs. It sounds like you have built a very good PD. I will like to read more reports from the people who use it on their treasure hunting to see what they report for distance and what things they find. Best wishes,  J_P
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Hi J_P. Do not get tired so much to convince us. In my own video would like to pull the coin with a rope and see if lrl monitor the currency. Here you see a video that sounds at least 15 random beeps and you do not interested at all, only look the detector and in the end say BRAVO! As for the circuit i inform you that has nothing to do with the PD of Morgan. Is the "MFD by Andy Flind". When you have the pcb schema then it is very easy to understand the schematic, and not speculate. Last time I wrote something but nobody replied, that the missile of ball is from lead and not copper. The Gsani said it was a missile of ball since the Turks, ie before 1900. Then these was of lead. But Andreas said that this LRL detects only gold-silver and copper. So who is the lie???? As for Rubin, suddenly sent him the good God to tell us that its own (although Andreas not even sold lrl) lrl orks, and it works well. Now that the think again. Maybe it is good for you so to locate the tons of gold nuggets in California. Buy one, maybe you come out good .... Regards
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have a look in youtube,you will see one magical PD very similar to what Vasillis build,but made by Andreas,i think everybody knows about this one but they forget. In the list there is one Erevnetis that maybe is not from Andreas.
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12-22-2011, 08:12 PM
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I only ask questions. You are claiming that g-sani used the Crypton detector to locate buried lead metal. And you also posted the rumor that the Crypton is a magnet field detector, so it detects only the magnetic anomalies. First, I do not see any proof that the bullet was a lead bullet fired from a gun used by a Turk before 1900. I see only your theory that you think it is probably a lead bullet fired from a gun used by a Turk before 1900. But suppose we are to consider that your theory is correct... And suppose we also consider your rumor is correct that Crypron detects only magnetic anomalies. Then I have one question: Can tell us how did the Crypton detect a magnetic anomaly from the supposed buried lead bullet? Do you have a new rumor that g-sani recovered iron from ancient Chinese invaders who used iron bullets before they discovered the advantages of using lead bullets? Best wishes, J_P
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You read what you like to read and you hear what you like to hear. If you don't know Please don't write anything. Maybe your friends don't said you the things good .Check again the video by G-sani and tell us what he says.....(video at 8:45" minutes) and for to make it more easy... Gsani says that he found a missile of ball since the Turks, not me!. So what other proves do you need?? Why you speak about chinese invaders??? From first time that i wanted to attach here the schematic of Crypton, you was very negative, until Carl said that this was o.k with Forum rules. Now you don't see nothing and you believe only Cryfton company  , why??Although I think not, your behavior shows that you belongs to Cryfton company, or at least you support the interests of company, without bothering about the truth. Regards
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12-23-2011, 10:31 AM
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You are talking about truth? Then tell us the truth for how the "magnetic field anomaly locator" located a lead bullet. Of course I don't know. I already told you I don't know. If I knew how a magnetic field anomaly detector can detect a buried lead bullet from more than a meter distance, then I would say how it is done. I have studied electronics and magnetism for many years, and I do not know how a magnetic field detector can detect a lead bullet from that distance. The best I know is if g-sani located a lead bullet, then he did not locate a magnetic field anomaly. Check again what you are posting in the forum: "It is a magnet field detector, so it detects only the magnetic anomalies...." "...the missile of ball is from lead..." Read again the question that you cannot answer: Can tell us how did the Crypton detect a magnetic anomaly from the supposed buried lead bullet? So can you tell us the answer? Is Crypton a magnetic anomaly detector that could only detect iron bullets or magnets? Or is Crypton not detecting magnetic anomalies, and detecting a lead bullet, and a brass goat bell? Best wishes, J_P
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12-23-2011, 12:05 PM
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The answer is very simple. We saw G-sani to detect the area with the Cryfton and later to pinpoint with a Whites DFX. What he found is what DFX detected, not what Cryfton detected. We did not see after it Gsani to detect the area again with Cryfton, so to check that there are not beeps at the area. Now, about the "if it is a magnetic field detector" , we will see it at next thread. Regards
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here is the magical PD,by Andreas the correct name is FRESH GOLD LONG RANGE PISTOL DETECTOR Why nobody remember about it ??? is the magical PD we talk about a few months ago.
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Magic PD is based on Heathkit 348. I don't know about magical.... I know the pcbs that show at video but i am not sure if use both...
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Thank you for posting that video link. I don't remember seeing that before. What he tells in the video is this is not the circuit of the magic PD. I think Andreas does not believe it is necessary to put a sample in the circuit to find long distance detection. It appears that Andreas has been busy. Best wishes, J_P
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It looks like very simple to understand like you say. Except there is one problem.... The video shows the locator beeping at the time when g-sani points it at the place where he found the bullet. And the video also shows the locator is not beeping at the steel parts of the metal detector when he walks past it waving the locator. You are correct that the White's DFX pinpointed the exact spot where the bullet was buried, and it also showed there was not other metal buried which caused the beeping... only the metal from that location. But before g-sani used the metal detector, he saw the locator making more than 40 beeps from every direction. He saw the locator make beeps from 1 meter distance to more than 2 meters distance, then he marked the spot with his foot where he saw the center of beeping. The spot he marked with his foot is the same place where the metal detector pinpointed, and the same place he dug up the bullet that was not iron. The video shows the locator beeped when it located the metal that was buried in the hole he dug. The video also showed the locator did not beep at the steel handle or the hardware at the arm rest, or any other parts of the metal detector that can cause a magnetic anomaly. How can you explain? Is it a magnetic anomaly detector if it fails to detect the steel, but it is successful at detecting the bullet?  See below...
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I will stay at some beeps.... It beeps at 0:50sec, 1.05,1.16,1.35, 1.38, 1.44, 1.52, 2.02, 2.05 etc. Gsani made gain adjustment at 2.20 2.28 2.37. What about the above beeps???, why you believe that all the other beeps was false and only near the place where DFX detected the missile of ball was good??? Also at video there are more false beeps. Lrls don't work this way  Regards
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This is practical pinpointing.
Why would one need metal detector, beside such fantastic PD, to find something? On those places you can find something, using MD, on every half meter or less, no matter you say BEEP or NO BEEP. So such tests of LRL using MD are worthless.
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This video is not a scientific test. It is a video that g-sani's friend made to show what we would see if we were there watching him try out the OBMD-1. The video is not designed to prove anything other than to show a demonstration of what you see when you turn the locator on and use it in the field. At least this is how g-sani explained it. After I watch the video, I think that this is not a good location to use for a treasure hunt, because I could use a metal detector to find the same target in less time than the time to use the LRL. This is because the search field I see is maybe only 20m x 3m. For this small area, I see no need for long range. But the purpose of the video was not to make a treasure hunt. It was to demonstrate how the OBMD-1 works. This is probably the reason they chose a place where they expected to find long-time buried things, so they could finish the demonstration without wasting time hunting for too long. For me the demonstration was not worthless. I was able to see that the locator did not respond to ferrous metal at the metal detector. And I was able to see a lot of beeping close to the buried bullet. From what I saw, he was able to pinpoint within about 1 meter, and then he marked the spot with his foot before he brought the metal detector. This is different than simply guessing a place to put a metal detector. If you remember in the video, after he marked the spot, he came back with the metal detector and made a search on a larger area than 1m. The metal detector confirmed the bullet was centered in the meter location where the locator beeped, and there was no other metal in the area that could be dug if the locator did not hit the correct location. This looks better than some LRL reports I read for pinpointing. Some LRLs will not show a demonstration of their pinpointing. And if you use these other commercial LRLs to mark a spot, you will often have an empty hole until you use a metal detector to find buried metal maybe 2-3 or 10 meters distance. You know, this is how I can easily locate coins on the beach with my "Mr. Stick" LRL, and I can guarantee it will work equal to the Dell rod or Rangertell in a scientific test. But I know the "Mr. Stick" cannot perform as I saw in that video. I also agree, this locator does not appear to work with the same repeatability as a White's metal detector does. It does seem to make beeps from a longer distance though, and I did see g-sani mark the center of a 1m circle that he located. Best wishes, J_P
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I see a lot of false beeps in the beginning when he first turned on the power, and he is is walking in circles and adjusting the sensitivity. I expect to see some false beeping until he has the sensitivity adjusted to the point where the beeping stops. I see the same false beeping from videos of other LRLs before they make adjustment of sensitivity. When I watch in the videos of other LRLs, I see often the false beeping returns, and people make more adjustments to stop the false beeping, after they made adjustments earlier. Did you not read g-sani's words to you? "Come on Geo you know very well that I can understand if an LRL is working or not. And also you know very well that when you adjust sensitivity in an LRL like Crypton it is wise to check or hunt in a place using a bit more of it and then a bit less of it and then also search whith sensitivity just in the limit as the maker advices you to do." g-sani was operating the OBMD-1 the way the manufacturer told him to do it! But after h-sani made the adjustments to the controls at 2:04, I watched him begin searching in the path to the front of him. I do not see the beeps to all directions after he adjusted the controls at 2:04, and I begin to see very many beeps in only one location which is the location where he recovered the bullet. I counted more than 40 beeps, and closer to 50 beeps when he pointed the locator to the direction where he recovered a bullet. But it is interesting, there is another location where I saw more than a single beep after the locator was adjusted. If you watch carefully just before he made his last control adjustment at 2:04, you will see g-sani is waving the locator to both sides of the road. At 2:04 I hear 3 beeps on the side of the road away from his metal detector... on the left side of the road. (This is another location I would have noted to check later to see if there is something buried there). But g-sani was still making his final adjustment. ...So he made his final adjustment, and then he sweeps to the right past his metal detector and we hear no beeps. Then he sweeps to the left past his metal detector and again we hear no beeps. He continues sweeping, but we hear nothing until he is pointed to the direction of the bullet, we hear another beep at 2:09. I hear beeping from at least 3 meters distance to the bullet. But it does not beep at the iron parts of the metal detector that are a meter distance. He continues sweeping the locator back and forth as he walks the direction of the bullet. And even when he walks closer than one meter next to the detector, it does not beep as he sweeps it past the iron in the detector. From that point on I see him following the beeps to the buried bullet. But I watched two times when he turned around to sweep back at the metal detector, and I did not hear beeps when he checked for beeps at the direction of the metal detector. I watched your videos showing your LRL beeping inside your garage, and your video of a coin you buried next to an olive tree. I also watched the videos that g-sani made. I do not see how the g-sani videos are inferior to the videos you made. g-sani showed from the time he turned on the locator to show the lights and controls. Then he showed 1:40 minutes of making control adjustments while the locator was warming up. Then he showed walking in a treasure field and pointing many directions. I watched him scan over the iron parts of his metal detector and show what was the response from the locator. Then I watched him follow places where he found beeps were coming from one location. Then I watched him check the location of the beeps from every direction, and even mark the spot with his foot. Then I watch him confirm the signal is not coming from the iron in his metal detector before he stops the LRL hunt and pinpoints with the metal detector. I see him do all of this and he also shows recovery of a treasure that he did not know the location of. When did anyone else do all of these things in a single video? g-sani has made one of the best LRL demonstration videos I have ever seen. I think the people who read this forum can watch the video g-sani made and decide what they see and hear with their own eyes and ears. Then they can decide whether they believe they are observing a magnetometer, or they can decide if they are observing a locator that does not detect ferrous metals. You are saying LRLs don't work that way. If LRLs don't work that way, then why do we see other LRL hobbyists making adjustments to the controls to change the beeping sensitivity and threshold? Why does the manufacturer tell g-sani to make these adjustments? I have read reports that several people have recovered many coins and other non-ferous buried things using the OBMD-1, and that it does not detect ferrous metals or magnets. Then I watched a video that confirms the reports I read exactly. You are the person who says the photo of the circuit board proves it can only detect magnetic field anomalies. Tell us now why it failed to detect a magnetic field anomaly, but made close to 50 beeps when pointed at the location of the buried bullet? Tell us how g-sani failed to follow the instructions that he was given by the manufacturer. And tell us how g-sani caused the locator to beep only when he pointed it at the buried bullet, but not beep when he pointed it at the iron parts of the metal detector much closer? Do you understand all the people who have used the OBMD-1 are reporting they are recovering coins and other buried non-ferrous metals and it does not detect iron? Are you calling g-sani, Rubin and Andreas liars? Do you want me to believe the g-sani video a fake video? .... and your proof is because your photo of a circuit board plus the components you will draw on the board will prove they are liars? I believe hard evidence that people observe is stronger than any guessed components and assumptions that there is no extra circuitry which you don't know about. You would first need to explain why we see the OBMD-1 perform like a locator that does not detect magnetic anomalies before you could convince me to believe you are right and they are giving false observations and false video. Best wishes, J_P
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Ohhh i forgot, there is and rubin .From what i read at Greek forum, nobody bought the Cryfton. Maybe Andreas is not a friend of me but Gsani is friend so i don't say him lier. I say that the DFX found the missile of ball and not the "Andy flind magnetic field detector". All the people can make 100 videos like this, "full sensitivity, random beeps and a area detect with a md ). If these random beeps are ok then what we can say about Morgan PD where the beeps are continuous and no false??? LRLs must work as the Morgans PD.I don't like to spend more time with this ....... When i put the schematic, you will understand (if you want to understand). Regards
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