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Old 08-27-2009, 11:24 PM
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Here is workable pcb.
I dont have that Proteus so i can not see what have you done,
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Old 08-27-2009, 11:29 PM
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Old 08-28-2009, 12:13 AM
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Here is workable pcb.
I dont have that Proteus so i can not see what have you done,
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tank you ivconic dear.
i have many question.
zahori is a nice LRL and good working????
you built this lrl ???you can give me resulte examin whit lrl ????
you can afew guide about this circuit???depth detect.....????
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Old 08-28-2009, 08:44 AM
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tank you ivconic dear.
i have many question.
zahori is a nice LRL and good working????
you built this lrl ???you can give me resulte examin whit lrl ????
you can afew guide about this circuit???depth detect.....????
What you expect... it doesn't work for detecting buried metals...

other stuff yes...

storms, ctr electrization, switching supply, sparks, rf noise ...a cat brushing hairs to some furniture...

whatever but metallic buried stuff!

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Old 08-28-2009, 08:48 AM
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What you expect... it doesn't work for detecting buried metals...

other stuff yes...

storms, ctr electrization, switching supply, sparks, rf noise ...a cat brushing hairs to some furniture...

whatever but metallic buried stuff!

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Old 08-28-2009, 05:27 PM
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I'll be damn if i understand that? What are you saying???
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:48 PM
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I think it is one more secret tuning device, not on schematic of course
Like small coils with sample inside
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Old 08-28-2009, 06:39 PM
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I'll be damn if i understand that? What are you saying???
Hi,
he wrote time ago that the zahori schematicposted is too complicate at regulations and just a single pot must be left for adjusting... so other stuff is fixed.

But never explained well which are required settings for zahori to work as LRL for metals...

He promised schematic+details... but I never seen on the screen...

I simply think it's just a way to trick people more on zahori... cause to me device, as I wrote above, detects a number of things but not metallic buried stuff and not water flows underground.

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Old 08-28-2009, 07:11 PM
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The only control you needed is the 10 K. The others are fixed. 2M2. 22K. No switch, fixed capacitor for to obtain near 90 Hz. No pin 9 to ground. And I advice maybe Zahori like only + - 3-4 volts. Because with many controls you'll obtain only complications. I have finished this PCB but no time for to put in box, because many projects are waiting... But soon I expect...
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Old 08-28-2009, 10:32 PM
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Oh that! I see.
Ok, i can agree with you that Zahori has to many controls. I made ..maybe 5-6 Zahori's so far and in process of making and playing with it i noticed some commands are more than sufficient. Turning pots and switching switches i could find a very sensitive spot. Those than could be fixed and device left in that adjustment for good. It is very sensitive. But as Max says; it is good only to detect charges and AC current flows - not metal. It is splendid device for locating live wires in walls etc.. Excellent tool for electricians.
Metal detecting - no, i never succeed to detect anything simillar with it.
As a deep pipe locator and tracer Zahori also could be used but pipe than must be connected to some AC source, most probably to some pulse generator...
I took Zahori few times with me visiting some real terrains and tested it in conjuction with conventional metal detector - no results, none. Zahori is absolutelly calm and silent outdoor in wildness, far away from any artifical signal, charges, industrial hums, power lines and simillar...
So....no results at all.
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Old 08-29-2009, 11:17 AM
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Hi Ivconic

you have to detect no metal but the "alo" near a buried metal, I think that this is an electric phenomenon and then Zahori can detect it. But as Esteban says it's better to use also an alternate magnetic field that acts as an antenna. With my modified Zahori I have obtained some beeps in a spot but without a confirmation after few minutes, as the phenomenon it was disappeared.

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Old 08-29-2009, 12:26 PM
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you have to detect no metal but the "alo" near a buried metal, I think that this is an electric phenomenon and then Zahori can detect it. But as Esteban says it's better to use also an alternate magnetic field that acts as an antenna. With my modified Zahori I have obtained some beeps in a spot but without a confirmation after few minutes, as the phenomenon it was disappeared.

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Old 08-29-2009, 01:34 PM
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I assure this work, but sensibility control must be in delicate point, but no random. You must analize why in X area beeps and in other not. Yo go in the area and beep yet... so there are differences caused by buried metal.
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I assure this work, but sensibility control must be in delicate point, but no random. You must analize why in X area beeps and in other not. Yo go in the area and beep yet... so there are differences caused by buried metal.
Sensitivity control set on the edge to cause random periodic beeps. Beeps in one area, no metal.... beeps in another area, maybe metal... beeps in still another area with metal.

Where is the consistency?

Subjective Beeps!

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Sensitivity control set on the edge to cause random periodic beeps. Beeps in one area, no metal.... beeps in another area, maybe metal... beeps in still another area with metal.

Where is the consistency?

Subjective Beeps!


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Subjective beeps found 1 big gold chain at 1 meter depth, 30 meters in distance. A gold woman-comb XVIII century and other many things. Near a rail of train a bottle with many coins...
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Subjective beeps found 1 big gold chain at 1 meter depth, 30 meters in distance. A gold woman-comb XVIII century and other many things. Near a rail of train a bottle with many coins...
Yup.... <beep> <beep> and I just <beep> found the <beep> <beep> Titanic buried in my back yard! Whaddya know! <beep> <beep>
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And maybe is possible to design a "Zahori-Ã*-la-coil"...
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guagggggggggggg
And maybe is possible to design a "Zahori-Ã*-la-coil"...
to the coil? whit you esteban all is possible, too one zahori to the lazer wawwwwwwww
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the pupil esteban rebasa to the teacher alonso wawwwwwwww
estaban what doing my cunado alonso?
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guagggggggggggg
And maybe is possible to design a "Zahori-Ã*-la-coil"...
to the coil? whit you esteban all is possible, too one zahori to the lazer wawwwwwwww
lazer ???

Hmmm...

Zahori already proved detects just static charges... and electrical noise... now if he adds the laser....

Will detect also clubs at night...

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Old 10-18-2009, 02:04 PM
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Hi All
this article is very useful in order to explain the long range detection (perhaps): if over long time buried targets it there is a remarkable E-Field (Esteban says that it can to destroy a transistor or a IC) then it's possible to sense this E field at least 5 or 10 meters away.

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this article is very useful in order to explain the long range detection (perhaps): if over long time buried targets it there is a remarkable E-Field (Esteban says that it can to destroy a transistor or a IC) then it's possible to sense this E field at least 5 or 10 meters away.

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It is environmental (LRL hunters synthetic cloths inclusive) static charge that destroy (FET) transistor or IC, not target static charge which is non existent.
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