Ivconic's Negative Ion Detector circuit

[Rakesh]

Hi All,
Greetings! I am new to this forum but I am an electronics engg.Just got interested in Gold Detectors few days back and was collecting data on type of detectors. Some frineds here have expressed doubts about capability of gold detectors with ionic detection. I found OKM's Bionic 1 commercial Gold Detector are based on Ionic Detection and can detect old burried gold. To detect freshly burried gold they advise Bionic X thatb uses some bio interference balancing but I dont know what is the principle behind it. So it seems the ionic detection does work in old burried gold. One can see at http://www.okmmetaldetectors.com/pro...01.php?lang=en

Rakesh

[Dedevil]

Seems to me that Rakesh has suddenly been invented (see date joined) most likely by j___p to keep the deminishing conversation going and reminisce of the good old days in the retirement village. So o.k. Rakesh check these vidoes out for a clearer explanation, but if you can't understand the theory behind them just ask J Player as he knows all the formuls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY1eyLEo8_A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqjl-qRy71w
http://www.youtube.com/user/only1egg?blend=3&ob=0#p/u/0/3QTzxah6fOI
rgds

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Dedevil

if you can't understand the theory behind them just ask J Player as he knows all the formuls.

Better ask dr. Hung because he has insight from other side of science:

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Rakesh

Hi All,
Greetings! I am new to this forum but I am an electronics engg.Just got interested in Gold Detectors few days back and was collecting data on type of detectors. Some frineds here have expressed doubts about capability of gold detectors with ionic detection. I found OKM's Bionic 1 commercial Gold Detector are based on Ionic Detection and can detect old burried gold. To detect freshly burried gold they advise Bionic X thatb uses some bio interference balancing but I dont know what is the principle behind it. So it seems the ionic detection does work in old burried gold. One can see at http://www.okmmetaldetectors.com/pro...01.php?lang=en

Rakesh

Hi Rakesh,
OKM manufactures magnetometers. Their magnetometers do not detect treasures at long range.
The OKM magnetometer is used in a way to trick you believe it can locate buried things from a long distance. But it does not.
Almost everyone who paid money for OKM long range locators did not find treasure from long distance.
They found only what they can find with a magnetometer that they could build for less than $200.
They want to get their money back from OKM company, but OLM will not give back their money.

Read here to see what people reported in the forum for OKM products:

What are the results we hear from treasure hunters who use OKM?
Empty holes and a lot of false detection is the result that nearly everyone reports who has used OKM products. They also report that the OKM does not detect gold which they later recover using other gold detecting tools. Anyone can easily verify this by checking with Morgan or reading the forum posts here in the remote sensing forum or in the Geotech geophysics forum. The only credible reports I read of OKM locators working well is when they detect large voids like a cheap gradiometer does.

We saw the inside of some of the OKM products, which confirm that they are cheap magnetometers just as the people who used them described. The actual claims I read on the OKM page for this Bionic X4 is that it is interfaced to smart phones. This tells me they added more electronic interface to make pictures on a mobile phone from the same cheap magnetometer crap. Then we see their video showing absolutely nothing except some guy wandering around with an X4 in his hand and music in the background. Does this convince you that these are good treasure hunting tools that you need to pay more than $10,000 for?

If anyone wants to buy one of these after reading our forums and the manufacturer's description and watching their video, maybe they really are rich, and they don't want some $200 magnetometer that does not make pictures on their smart phone. Maybe the cool pistol shape with the mobile phone showing images can make them happy and help to instill a sense of prestige. I wonder if we will ever see some treasure recoveries they make when using OKM products?

Originally posted by Carl-NC here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=43757&postcount=6
"I tend to agree about OKM's reputation... I've heard a lot of complaints about them, at least on the forums. Is that the company that advertised a device as being a GPR, when it was really a magnetometer? Now that's something you can get sued over".

Originally posted by BigBang here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...35&postcount=2
OKM 4000 or 5000 are only named GPR for easy commercial . Because of profit expectaions . But not real GPR

Originally posted by schatzsucher here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...72&postcount=1
Inside you find magnetic field sensors and an radar sensor KMY 10. The radar sensor cannot goes in to the earth. Not with this frequency, but the firm sell the system as GPR.

Originally posted by Morgan here: www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=112348&postcount=44
"So,it was this man Manolo´s friend,who want to convince people that OKM lrl works...
This is realy BIG SCAM,this piece of crap is useles and cost IO.OOO EURO.
OKM people should be shame,and this LRL agent in Italy also !!!"

Originally posted by bulsack here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...31&postcount=1
OKM is a low grade magnetometer with software that creates some fancy worthless pictures.

Originally posted by Jim here: www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=112268&postcount=32
"I think the video with the operator dropping the ring on a rope onto the ground after they turn over the lump of dirt shows intentions of fraud".

Originally posted by Great Alex here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=43745&postcount=2
the OKM products are over price and they don't work as they advertised by the OKM company , but they work even as a low quality magnetometer .

Originally posted by hung here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...45&postcount=2
'Reputable' and 'credibility' are not the best terms to describe them.
They are being charged and sued by Mineoro for trying to copy their trademark names, products and concepts.
Besides that, mineorogreece took them to court sometime ago for a product which did not work as advertised. He got his money back.
How's that for a start?

Originally posted by Congogold here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=32
...My scans show orange in almost every scan anywhere I scan- obviously I can't be seeing gold everywhere and i can't dig everywhere.
I have reads the manual many times and still can't tell the difference between gold and heavy mineralization or ferrous metals! It is driving me crazy...
I am in prime gold country- i buy plenty from artisanal miners who find their gold the old way- I can't seem to get results with the technology at all.

Originally posted by valchev here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...&postcount=107
If You find money for GPR do not buy from OKM. OKM do not produce real GPR, onely advertisements and useless machines.

ivconic's photos show inside of crappy OKM future 2003/5 here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...=OKM#post80373

Originally posted by Infamy here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showpost.php?p=112813&postcount=75
"How many hoards can you name that have been found with lrl-s h i t? "

Originally posted by ishtar hunter here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...32&postcount=1
worked 14 years with many devices But neither performance was not good for depths up.
I have exp4000 (okm) but Performance is not good.

Originally posted by aban here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...13&postcount=5
donot buy okm machin it cannot detect in deep and it is fruad only.

Originally posted by Alexismex here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=12
Also here in Mexico I have friends you bought this piece of crap junks from OKM....This Cassbiz it is another seller from OKM....we have found many treasures !!!!ah ah ah....
and do not trust OKM people to give back your money they are bandits ...bandidos...de vrais crapules

Originally posted by bulsack here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...85&postcount=3
Let's say somebody is to build the $150 magnetometer featured on this website ,hookes it up to a free or cracked 3D program. How would it be different than the OKM that costs as much as a brand new Mercedes-Benz?

Originally posted by Christian here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...47&postcount=6
From what I have been reading on the various internet boards for years now, nobody who has ever bought this unit has made any reasonable findings. Infact I think that the Fluxgate project to be found on this website is much better engineered and operating then any OKM device.

Originally posted by ivconic here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=26

It is true! That's why this forum is so great - saves your money!

Make EPE gradiometer and you will have nice and interesting device that you can use and understand it's wotking principles.
And all that for small money.
Basically EPE ($150) is very simillar to OKM Gems (4200 euros !!! )

Originally posted by Astrodetect here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...8&postcount=17
Would you like to see what sensor is in the Rover C unit?
Check it out and see for yourself.
So Mr Frank please explain how your unit is functioning and what exactly does it detect? We all know that this sensor will only detect ferrite metals and voids.


Here is what's Astrodetect showed us is really inside bionic products.... a cheap Honewell fluxgate magnetometer:



Here is a sequence of photos from one of the OKM scam demonstrations where they showed it beeping at a shovel:




So far nobody has made a live demonstration of OKM products recovering gold from places where they didn't know where the gold is.
But we have read the reports where it failed to find gold on real treasure hunts which was later recovered from places the Bionic products could not detect it.

Make sure you make your own tests to be certain it will work before you pay money for OKM locators.


Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

Originally Posted by Dedevil

Seems to me that Rakesh has suddenly been invented (see date joined) most likely by j___p to keep the deminishing conversation going and reminisce of the good old days in the retirement village. So o.k. Rakesh check these vidoes out for a clearer explanation, but if you can't understand the theory behind them just ask J Player as he knows all the formuls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY1eyLEo8_A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqjl-qRy71w
http://www.youtube.com/user/only1egg?blend=3&ob=0#p/u/0/3QTzxah6fOI
rgds

Hello Dedevil.
Thanks for the very interesting videos and I repeat again...
Your scientific interest is genuine and you appear like me and many others, not satisfied with the way many 'xientists' understand what science is telling them. And worse, this wrong concepts end up accepted by the 'official' academia as correct for a number of reasons being economic and military interests the most prominent ones.

In the last video, he says that science is still in its infancy. Actually not.
Science is all around us, what is still in its infancy are the 'xientists'. But they will eventually grow up.

As an example, here is a link to a post I answered a member of TNET that might be of your interest.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...tml#msg3186008

And here, a thread I started a couple years back which describes an outstanding documented scientific phenomena which took place in 1981 and serves as an example of how cases like this are supressed from the mass media.
I could bring this thread back since it was deleted through wayback machine. But given the importance this subject deserves, I'm considering posting it again over TNET.
It's long as it includes a report, but definitely worth reading.
http://web.archive.org/web/201007121...,327684.0.html

[hung]

Originally Posted by Rakesh

Hi All,
Greetings! I am new to this forum but I am an electronics engg.Just got interested in Gold Detectors few days back and was collecting data on type of detectors. Some frineds here have expressed doubts about capability of gold detectors with ionic detection. I found OKM's Bionic 1 commercial Gold Detector are based on Ionic Detection and can detect old burried gold. To detect freshly burried gold they advise Bionic X thatb uses some bio interference balancing but I dont know what is the principle behind it. So it seems the ionic detection does work in old burried gold. One can see at http://www.okmmetaldetectors.com/pro...01.php?lang=en

Rakesh

Rakesh, in a few words and four sentences:

The Bionic 01 works and I know some professional treasure hunters who use it and found gold many times with it.
My team is getting one this next month and it will be one more adition to our arsenal of long range detectors.
When hunting in the field you can use either mode but ionic is better since you get a sound signal and a blue led glowing when gold is located.
If you calibrate a gold object before hand through ionic mode, the device will lock on it and will detect it anywhere you place it, either buried or on surface.
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QYYAeyGGto

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by hung

Rakesh, in a few words and four sentences:

The Bionic 01 works and I know some professional treasure hunters who use it and found gold many times with it.
My team is getting one this next month and it will be one more adition to our arsenal of long range detectors.
When hunting in the field you can use either mode but ionic is better since you get a sound signal and a blue led glowing when gold is located.
If you calibrate a gold object before hand through ionic mode, the device will lock on it and will detect it anywhere you place it, either buried or on surface.
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QYYAeyGGto

Hung,sorry to disturd you,there is one person who rent the BIONIC-01 in Germany,price for one month was 1000E. After that time he return the BIONIC and said FORTUNATLY I DONT SPENT THE 10.000 Euro FOR ONE BRAND NEW BIONIC,IS USELESS.
And this is only one simple story...
I think maybe your LRL HOLOFOTE is beter than the BIONIC.

[Dedevil]

Hello Hung. The last video was a quiet joke to stir up jp. Thought he must be bored in the retirement village. I know what you were talking about re photon streams and magnetism. Appart from the Economic and military things behind it all dont forget also religion. Hertz lived during the 1800's. The bible then had already been edited with static (gods right hand man) being cast out of heaven. People practicing dowsing were therefor considered to be posessed by demons. Hertz really had no choice but to explain the manistifations as magnetism. What else could they do? Apart from going to the public and saying oh sorry that edited bible that you've all had for the past 200 years is incorrect and to all the families of those witches that were burnt to death, we're also sorry.
regards

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Dedevil

Hello Hung. The last video was a quiet joke to stir up jp. Thought he must be bored in the retirement village. I know what you were talking about re photon streams and magnetism. Appart from the Economic and military things behind it all dont forget also religion. Hertz lived during the 1800's. The bible then had already been edited with static (gods right hand man) being cast out of heaven. People practicing dowsing were therefor considered to be posessed by demons. Hertz really had no choice but to explain the manistifations as magnetism. What else could they do? Apart from going to the public and saying oh sorry that edited bible that you've all had for the past 200 years is incorrect and to all the families of those witches that were burnt to death, we're also sorry.
regards

What a harmony of divided soul parts.

[Dedevil]

Which after translation means - Hi i'm Alice I live next door to you know who, in the retirement village. If i anoy you enough will you pay attention to me? We, yes WE love the retirement village and anoying others.

[Dedevil]

Yeh, i lost my wife once.

well, in a game of poker.

It wasn't easy though.


I had to throw in 5 ACES!

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Dedevil

If i anoy you enough will you pay attention to me? We, yes WE love the retirement village and anoying others.

Wrong, you and dr hung are not WE, but only one person. WE-illusion is coming due extensive mineoro-LRL-crap use.

[Bill512]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Rakesh,
OKM manufactures magnetometers. Their magnetometers do not detect treasures at long range.
The OKM magnetometer is used in a way to trick you believe it can locate buried things from a long distance. But it does not.
Almost everyone who paid money for OKM long range locators did not find treasure from long distance.
They found only what they can find with a magnetometer that they could build for less than $200.
They want to get their money back from OKM company, but OLM will not give back their money.

Read here to see what people reported in the forum for OKM products:


Originally posted by Astrodetect here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...8&postcount=17
Would you like to see what sensor is in the Rover C unit?
Check it out and see for yourself.
So Mr Frank please explain how your unit is functioning and what exactly does it detect? We all know that this sensor will only detect ferrite metals and voids.


Here is what's Astrodetect showed us is really inside bionic products.... a cheap Honewell fluxgate magnetometer:



Best wishes,
J_P

I have opened a OKM (Future 2005) and i can say that inside the probe, was an array of fluxgate sensors, 8X FLC 100.
These sensors are not from Honeywell and also aren't cheap. The manufacturer is a person from Germany,his name is Stefan Mayer -http://www.stefan-mayer.com/ .
Each FLC-100 sensor costs about 93 Euros(about 120USD).
Now about their performance: they have a true sub-gamma resolution(0.4-1.0) and very good temperature stability. In comparison to FGM-3, the FLC sensor is superior in terms of sensitivity and stability.
Now ,we know that OKM uses very good sensors, but FAILS (an Epic Fail!) to deliver a true magnetometer.
Why is this? simply because the sensors are oriented in a line, and there is no difference if they use 1 ,2,8,or even 1000 sensors. This geometry can serve only as a sensitive and expensive compass, nothing else really.
As the operator walks slowly in order to scan an area,even the smallest movement of the probe, can cause large variations in readings. These variations usually are in the region of 250-400 gammas, almost an order of magnitude above typical targets.
Now about Bionic, as far as I know, the first versions had simple coils for TX-RX .

[fmnotes]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Hi all!!!

I use this very stable circuit for any gadget. Is for convert the ugly sound or minielevation of audio in nice "bips". This is for ALL use you want.

The 555 works as comparator. In abscence of any signal (this is, all the stages off) connect this circuit. Whit the preset, adjust in the more sensitivity point —this is, near the continuous bips— and retire a very little. If sounds at the moment of the connection, adjust it in the more good level point. The 22 k resistor and the 10 uF cap are for short timming of bips.

The piezosounder is the type that include internal oscillator.

I have built many of this with 100 variations, but this is one of the betters.

Of course, with the preset you control the sensibility you want.

[fmnotes]

http://imageshack.us/f/831/pulseaudio2.jpg/
hello

please, help me?

If you want to tell me about this plan.

I want a change in the plan.

when the incoming signal is low, the beep is not continuous but slow sound beep beep beep. Slow sound.

when the signal is most powerful, the sound beep how fast, beepbeepbeepbeep.
and when the signal is too loud, the sound beep sequential, ie beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep ............

anyone who knows please help me

THANKS

[fmnotes]

hello

please, help me?

If you want to tell me about this plan.

I want a change in the plan.

when the incoming signal is low, the beep is not continuous but slow sound beep beep beep. Slow sound.

when the signal is most powerful, the sound beep how fast, beepbeepbeepbeep.
and when the signal is too loud, the sound beep sequential, ie beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep ............

anyone who knows please help me

THANKS

[Geo]

Originally Posted by fmnotes

hello

please, help me?

If you want to tell me about this plan.

I want a change in the plan.

when the incoming signal is low, the beep is not continuous but slow sound beep beep beep. Slow sound.

when the signal is most powerful, the sound beep how fast, beepbeepbeepbeep.
and when the signal is too loud, the sound beep sequential, ie beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep ............

anyone who knows please help me

THANKS

You must use a VCO. I have not something complete...

[fmnotes]

Originally Posted by Geo

You must use a VCO. I have not something complete...

Thank geo.

I had this in my mind to use.

This is the picture, think you might be used?

If so, you know how to make better use?

thanks

[Anwar2]

hay gays
befor than starting this projet Idont want to be silly because i hade build quad scop it wont work
now Iwant to ask about the middle pin of Variabl Resistor its will work as fixed resistor not varibal because the midd pin not conected

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Anwar2

hay gays
befor than starting this projet Idont want to be silly because i hade build quad scop it wont work
now Iwant to ask about the middle pin of Variabl Resistor its will work as fixed resistor not varibal because the midd pin not conected

See below:

[Anwar2]

Originally Posted by J_Player

See below:

thanks J _ player for Replay what u mean the both resistance are = one of the 3 pin othe also 3 pin see my attach

see my Question befor what it was
I mean if dont connect the middle pin of the resistance it will be fixed resistance unseful to put varibal on fixed place

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Anwar2

thanks J _ player for Replay what u mean the both resistance are = one of the 3 pin othe also 3 pin see my attach

see my Question befor what it was
I mean if dont connect the middle pin of the resistance it will be fixed resistance unseful to put varibal on fixed place

See correct way to connect variable resistor below:

[Dell Winders]

In my tests, Mineoro, does indeed work. I particularly found the electronic depth locator interesting as it beeped when placed at the target's 45 degree emanating field at the same locations as detected with the MFD L-Rods.

Unfortunately, when there is atmospheric Magnetic interference and the MFD, or HID Rod(s) do not respond to the target, or react weak, the Mineoro, will NOT detect the target either. Magnetic conditions have to be favorable for any of the LRL's to work. Brazil, apparently has favorable conditions for LRL's to work. Since 1987 the USA has NOT had favorable Magnetic conditions for LRL to work consistently.

When the Strength of field is fluctuating up & down, it is aggravating having to constantly re-tune the Mineoro from one minute to the next. If you live in the USA you will likely find the Mineoro will work sporadicly as it did when Field tested under conditions in Central Florida.

I remember over 20 years ago when Ralph Shull, sold an electronic receiver LRL, to a friend of mine who stayed for a week with Shull, to train & test the LRL. They would work the beach at Atlantic City, NJ every day and consistently found coins & jewelry. My friend was very happy with the results, purchased the LRL and took it back to his home in Pa., 150 miles away. The LRL would not work there at all. Shull, sent him another one. It didn't work either. My friend took the LRL's back to NJ, to get a refund. They tested them, and both worked perfectly under the favorable conditions just 150 miles away.

You should understand the limitations of any type of LRL, before you decide to purchase. Unfortunately for consumers, most LRL manufacturers, and sellers don't inform you of this limitation. Dell

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

My friend was very happy with the results, purchased the LRL and took it back to his home in Pa., 150 miles away. The LRL would not work there at all. Shull, sent him another one. It didn't work either. My friend took the LRL's back to NJ, to get a refund. They tested them, and both worked perfectly under the favorable conditions just 150 miles away.

I don't suppose this is the last time we'll hear this excuse either.
At least this is one time when LRLs are consistent.

[Anwar2]

Originally Posted by J_Player

See correct way to connect variable resistor below:

my friend ithink Im borring u

how could be
see attach