Post proof of working LRL

[roberts]

No matter how wild you design your "antennas", "search heads" or whatever....do know that coupling with metal object is not possible on more than few inches! So yes, you are right; it is SRL not LRL!

[J_Player]

[Seden]

Well now I understand why there hasn't been a post on the RS project forum since 1-23. Too bad as it sure had alot of momentum at the begining. I couldn't keep up with the fast paced posts that were popping up rapid fire.

I'm leary of anything that claims to be an LRL that uses a transmitter instead of just a passive receiver using the existing natural fields.

Having said that if Esteban posted a complete schematic including the details of the antenna and or sensors, I'd probably build it as Estebans about the only person I know of whos been working on LRL's for the past 30 years. I hope he does come out with a book and includes detailed info so the reader can order the parts and sit down and build it.

Randy

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Seden

I hope he does come out with a book and includes detailed info so the reader can order the parts and sit down and build it.

Randy

Except if details are the same as at RS forum
Regards

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Geo

Except if details are the same as at RS forum
Regards

Maybe Morgan has not the necessary intrumental, for example, frequencimeter and inductimeter. Also a simple measurement of continuity in the switch for to know properly the different contacts made by the switch...

[Esteban]

Is not my problem if somedy has not photos of his finding or searchs in field, etc. Also this reveals that this kind of person (we know who!!!) isn't metal detectorist or detector constructor or radio constructor or coil winder... etc. This "special" person is very sad for not had this opportunity, this experience. I'm more sad because I causes envy in this guy... Pobrecito!!!

Is the pics tortures somebody (why not!!!), why suffer watching??? Masochism!!!

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

We can only say Esteban wants us to believe from photos, same as children with photos of Christmas presents want us to believe Santa travels in a flying sled.
Best wishes,
J_P

If the pistol detector is flying, maybe you are able for to compare with this. Pistol is based on real electronics, on real principles. I respond you many times when we can share impressions seriously.

Regards

Esteban

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I respond you many times when we can share impressions seriously.

Impressions is not proof. There are thousands of people in many countries who claim Santa Clause flies in a sled. And more thousands of children who have impression this flying sled is true. But impression of flying sled cannot be used to build a sled for flying to prove it is true or not.

Same way, impression of long range locator cannot be used to build a long range locator to prove it is true or not. Impression is not serious proof of truth of metal detector. Construction plans are serious proof to show if detector will work. Same like Carl-NC shows only construction plans for Hammerhead, no impressions of Hammerhead, because he knows impression will not make proof in the hands of people who read the forum. When the builder of the Hammerhead sees treasure in the place where the Hammerhead shows, then they see proof in their hands. They are happy they have proof, no impression from photos. And they believe when Carl says Hammerhead will find treasure from electrical pulse.

When a person shows only impressions from photos, then it is not serious and and is not proof. People will believe maybe LRL is only true for person with impression, not for other people. Same as Santa Clause flying sled is true only for small child who believes, not for other people.

When people see person only has impressions, but no proof, then maybe they also believe Doctor EE of radio is true because there is only impression to claim it is false, no proof. They know the person who claims Doctor of EE to be false is not a person who will show serious proof, same as small believing child will show only impressions of Santa clause flying in sled, but no proof.

But when people see serious proof, then it is much easier to believe the story told than when they only see photos and impressions.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Impressions is not proof. There are thousands of people in many countries who claim Santa Clause flies in a sled. And more thousands of children who have impression this flying sled is true. But impression of flying sled cannot be used to build a sled for flying to prove it is true or not.

Same way, impression of long range locator cannot be used to build a long range locator to prove it is true or not. Impression is not serious proof of truth of metal detector. Construction plans are serious proof to show if detector will work. Same like Carl-NC shows only construction plans for Hammerhead, no impressions of Hammerhead, because he knows impression will not make proof in the hands of people who read the forum. When the builder of the Hammerhead sees treasure in the place where the Hammerhead shows, then they see proof in their hands. They are happy they have proof, no impression from photos. And they believe when Carl says Hammerhead will find treasure from electrical pulse.

When a person shows only impressions from photos, then it is not serious and and is not proof. People will believe maybe LRL is only true for person with impression, not for other people. Same as Santa Clause flying sled is true only for small child who believes, not for other people.

When people see person only has impressions, but no proof, then maybe they also believe Doctor EE of radio is true because there is only impression to claim it is false, no proof. They know the person who claims Doctor of EE to be false is not a person who will show serious proof, same as small believing child will show only impressions of Santa clause flying in sled, but no proof.

But when people see serious proof, then it is much easier to believe the story told than when they only see photos and impressions.

Best wishes,
J_P

I use an incorrect word. In Spanish impresión also is ideas. So, I translate improperly. Or not?

And the pistols aren't flying... maybe if a phantom do it... maybe a bewitched pistol?

Also I'm sure some persons believe more in ovnis than electronic long range pistols, those are the worst guys!!!

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I use an incorrect word. In Spanish impresión also is ideas. So, I translate improperly. Or not?

And the pistols aren't flying... maybe if a phantom do it... maybe a bewitched pistol?

Also I'm sure some persons believe more in ovnis than electronic long range pistols, those are the worst guys!!!

In English, it does not matter if a small child proclaims his impression of Santa Claus, or his ideas of Santa Claus. Nobody will believe him unless he shows them how a sled can fly so they can see with their own eyes.

I did not say pistols are flying. I said your proof of pistols detecting long range is no better than a child's proof that Santa travels in a flying sled. The best proof the child can show us is photos of presents, and his ideas how Santa can fly, and all the thousands of people who agree it is true. The child can not show instructions how we can use a flying sled with our own hands to fly like Santa is claimed.

Your proof is the same. The best you can do is to show photos of treasures and some pistols and tell stories of all the people who say they see it work. But you will never be able to show how anyone else can build this same pistol to use in our own hands like the stories you claimed.

So your method for proof is same as a small child's method for trying to prove Santa travels in a flying sled.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

In English, it does not matter if a small child proclaims his impression of Santa Claus, or his ideas of Santa Claus. Nobody will believe him unless he shows them how a sled can fly so they can see with their own eyes.

I did not say pistols are flying. I said your proof of pistols detecting long range is no better than a child's proof that Santa travels in a flying sled. The best proof the child can show us is photos of presents, and his ideas how Santa can fly, and all the thousands of people who agree it is true. The child can not show instructions how we can use a flying sled with our own hands to fly like Santa is claimed.

Your proof is the same. The best you can do is to show photos of treasures and some pistols and tell stories of all the people who say they see it work. But you will never be able to show how anyone else can build this same pistol to use in our own hands like the stories you claimed.

So your method for proof is same as a small child's method for trying to prove Santa travels in a flying sled.

Best wishes,
J_P

I'm referring to share ideas with all here. I'm not a child who believe in Santa and his parafernalia.

Yet for me is a wrong comparisson between Santa in flying sled with the pistol's theme...

Regards

Esteban

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Yet for me is a wrong comparisson between Santa in flying sled with the pistol's theme...

A child will also say it is a wrong comparison to say his photos and share ideas of Santa Claus is not proof of working sled that will fly.

The theme is not under question. The method for showing proof that LRL will find treasure at long distance is under question.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

A child will also say it is a wrong comparison to say his photos and share ideas of Santa Claus is not proof of working sled that will fly.

The theme is not under question. The method for showing proof that LRL will find treasure at long distance is under question.

Best wishes,
J_P

No. Not the same.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

No. Not the same.

Yes. The same.

Your method for showing proof is the same as the method the small child uses for showing proof. --- pictures, stories, talk of examples of other people who say they believe.

Method for proof is the same.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Yes. The same.

Your method for showing proof is the same as the method the small child uses for showing proof. --- pictures, stories, talk of examples of other people who say they believe.

Method for proof is the same.

Best wishes,
J_P

Regarding Santa no. HO-HO-HO!!!

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Regarding Santa no. HO-HO-HO!!!

Yes. There is more proof that Santa is a true story than proof Esteban detectors can find treasure long range:

Proof of Esteban's LRL finding treasure long range:
1. Hundreds of photos showing treasure and LRL pictures from over 30 years.
2. More than 100 stories of treasure and people watching from more than 30 years.
3. Hundreds of other people who agree Esteban can find treasure from long range.
4. Some people who also say they also find treasure long range too.
5. No proof from demonstration of finding treasure long range for people here to watch today.
6. No proof from plans for people to build the same LRL and find long range treasure with their own hands same as Esteban stories.

Proof that Santa Clause flies in a sled to deliver presents:
1. Thousands of photos showing Christmas presents and images of Santa Claus from over 80 years.
2. More than 10,000 stories of presents under the Christmas tree from hundreds of years.
3. Millions of other people who also say Santa Clause flies in a sled to deliver presents.
4. Some people who also say they find presents delivered by Santa too.
5. No proof from demonstration of Santa flying his sled for people here to watch today.
6. No proof from plans for people to build the same sled and fly in the sky with rein deers same as Santa stories.

When I look at the proof, it looks like proof for LRL is the same as proof for Santa Claus. Only difference is Santa proof is stronger because more people say he is true.

Maybe it is easier to believe Santa Claus stories than to believe LRLs stories. Think so?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Yes. There is more proof that Santa is a true story than proof Esteban detectors can find treasure long range:

Proof of Esteban's LRL finding treasure long range:
1. Hundreds of photos showing treasure and LRL pictures.
2. More than 100 stories of treasure and people watching.
3. Hundreds of other people who agree Esteban can find treasure from long range.
4. Some people who also say they also find treasure long range too.
5. No proof from demonstration of finding treasure long range for people here to watch today.
6. No proof from plans for people here to build the same LRL and find long range treasure with their own hands.

Proof that Santa Clause flies in a sled to deliver presents:
1. Thousands of photos showing Christmas presents and images of Santa Claus.
2. More than 10,000 stories of presents being recovered under the Christmas tree.
3. Millions of other people who also say Santa Clause flies in a sled to deliver presents.
4. Some people who also say they find presents delivered by Santa too.
5. No proof from demonstration of Santa flying his sled for people here to watch today.
6. No proof from plans for people here to build the same sled and fly in the sky with rein deers same as Santa stories.

When I look at the proof, it looks like proof for LRL is the same as proof for Santa Claus. Only difference is Santa proof is stronger because more people say he is true.

Maybe it is easier to believe Santa Claus stories than to believe LRLs stories. Think so?

Best wishes,
J_P

The most of the person never show the treasures, don't know, but with individual and sparzed items, yes.

And yes, I have pics by other people with the detectors, include militar, and can achieve hundreds from many others, this is just I'm doing: collected pics from others, not only mine. Here born this kind of detector in 1959 (I have the tube original schematic!), maybe based on 1926 USA publication The Radio Gold Explorer, not the same, but principles similar. Now, as we are a nation very closed and only today globalization permits sharing information (just I'm doing this!!! Thanks!!!) to show this, well, sorry if this no satisfy you and others. Sorry if this electronic LRL doesn't born in USA and be produced in mass by detector firms...

This is I have. Also wait from others what they can do.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

only today globalization permits sharing information (just I'm doing this!!! Thanks!!!) to show this, well, sorry if this no satisfy you and others.

I like these photos. I don't say they are not satisfying. I only say they do not make scientific proof that LRL can find treasure at long range.

Best wishes,
J_P

[nelson]

Hola Esteban, gusto en saludarte despues de algun tiempo.
Te escribo en español, debido a que me es mas fácil intentar explicar mi opinion relacionada con los detectores de largo alcance.
Sinceramente si creo en que deben funcionar, pero reconozco que hay momentos en que dudo de ello. Sin embargo, siempre tengo presente cosas como por ejemplo, que la energÃ*a sea cual sea, debe trasladarse de alguna manera. Yo con mas de 20 años de radioaficionado, se positivamente que una señal de radio la podemos hacer rebotar en un cerro y asi logra una mejor comunicación que si esta se intentara en forma directa (señal VHF).
Para que esto ocurra, indudablemente necesitamos por ejemplo que el cerro que hara rebotar mi señal, tenga algún lado de material que permita el rebote y esto ocurre generalmente gracias a la mineralización de los cerros, es decir los metales que este contenga. Por lo tanto, si creo es posible por medio de un aparato X, obtener algún tipo de rebote o algo asi y sumado a la velociad de propagación, dependiendo del tipo de metal, se lograrÃ*a la clasificación del mismo. Ahora, cuando muchos dicen que estos aparatos no funcionan, puede deberse a varios factores que afectan la propagación de ondas, ejemplo, el fenomeno denominado inversión térmica, que en las comunicaciones radiales nos afecta considerablemente.
En cuanto a la radioestesia o dowsing, se positivamente de muchisimas personas aquÃ* en Chile, que logran detectar agua en el campo y solo con una varilla de madera.
En estos dÃ*as que estaré de vacaciones en casa, pretendo armar uno de estos aparatos y me gustarÃ*a me indiques alguno de los tantos modelos con los que podrÃ*a empezar, para probar en este tema. He visto el zahori, desechado por algunos, pero creo sinceramente, que les falto experimentar mas y en condiciones optimas.
A la espera de tus comentarios y apoyo , me depido y ruego me disculpe el foro por escribir en español, pero lalmentablemente mi nivel de ingles no es tan alto como para traducir todo lo escrito.
Ahora si no te molesta, podrÃ*a continuar mis comentarios en español, pero a través de correo electrónico.
Gracias
Atte.
Nelson Lepe T.

Originally Posted by Esteban

The most of the person never show the treasures, don't know, but with individual and sparzed items, yes.

And yes, I have pics by other people with the detectors, include militar, and can achieve hundreds from many others, this is just I'm doing: collected pics from others, not only mine. Here born this kind of detector in 1959 (I have the tube original schematic!), maybe based on 1926 USA publication The Radio Gold Explorer, not the same, but principles similar. Now, as we are a nation very closed and only today globalization permits sharing information (just I'm doing this!!! Thanks!!!) to show this, well, sorry if this no satisfy you and others. Sorry if this electronic LRL doesn't born in USA and be produced in mass by detector firms...

This is I have. Also wait from others what they can do.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Esteban

The most of the person never show the treasures, don't know, but with individual and sparzed items, yes.

And yes, I have pics by other people with the detectors, include militar, and can achieve hundreds from many others, this is just I'm doing: collected pics from others, not only mine. Here born this kind of detector in 1959 (I have the tube original schematic!), maybe based on 1926 USA publication The Radio Gold Explorer, not the same, but principles similar. Now, as we are a nation very closed and only today globalization permits sharing information (just I'm doing this!!! Thanks!!!) to show this, well, sorry if this no satisfy you and others. Sorry if this electronic LRL doesn't born in USA and be produced in mass by detector firms...

This is I have. Also wait from others what they can do.

Hi,
can you post the original tube based schematic of year 1959 ? Or the schematic must remain secret stuff ?

Maybe that could give some better understanding of these things... if you can post it.

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by nelson

Hola Esteban, gusto en saludarte despues de algun tiempo.
Te escribo en español, debido a que me es mas facil intentar explicar mi opinion relaconada con los detectores de largo alcance.
Sinceramente si creo en que deben funcionar, pero reconosco que hay momentos en que dudo de elo. Sin embargo, siempre tengo presente cosas como por ejemplo, que la energÃ*a sea cual sea, debe trasladarse de alguna manera. Yo con mas de 20 años de radioaficionado, se positivamente que una señal de radio la podemos hacer rebotar en un cerro y asi logra una mejor comunicación que si esta se intentara en forma directa (señal VHF).
Para que esto ocurra, indudablemente necesitamos por ejemplo que el cerro que hara rebotar mi señal, tenga algun gado de material que permita el rebote y esto ocurre generalmente gracias a la mineralización de los cerros, es decir los metales que este contenga. Por lo tanto, si creo es posible por medio de un aparato X, obtener algun tipo de rebote o algo asi y sumado a la velociad de propagación, dependiendo del tipo de metal, se lograrÃ*a la clasificación del mismo. Ahora, cuando muchos dicen que estos aparatos no funcionan, puede deberso a varios factores que afectan la propagación de ondas, ejemplo, el fenomeno denominado inversión térmica.
En cuanto a la radioestesia o dowsing, se positivamente de muchisimas personas aquÃ* en Chile, que logran detectar agua en el campo y solo con una varilla de madera.
En estos dÃ*as que estaré de vacaciones en casa, pretendo armar uno de estos aparatos y me gustarÃ*a me indiques alguno de los tantos modelos con los que podrÃ*a empezar, para porbar en este tema. He visto el zahori, desechado por algunos, pero creo sinceramente, que les falto experimentar mas y en condiciones optimas.
A la espera de tus comentarios y apoyo , me depido y reuego me disculpe el foro por escribir en español, pero lalmentablemente mi nivel de ingles no es tan alto como para tradicir todo lo escrito.
Ahora si no te molesto, podrÃ* continur mis comentarios en español, pero a través de correo electrónico.
Gracias
Atte.
Nelson Lepe T.

Hola Nelson. Gracias por todo. Te estarÃ*a enviando alguna información. Detectar un tesoro con unas pocas vueltas de alambre a la entrada de un amplificador y otra circuiterÃ*a más se puede lograr a una distancia de 20-30 m, estamos hablando de un tesoro, no de monedas sueltas, que es más difÃ*cil, pero no imposible.

A otro tema. El problema del ZahorÃ* es que debe ser usada la versión con un solo control de 10 K y eliminar el resto, es decir, poner todo fijo y desconectar la pata 9 de negativo, mejor dicho, no usar las llaves y otros detalles que te puedo pasar. Lo que pasa es que construyeron la otra versión, parece.

No obstante, estoy haciendo otro ZahorÃ* que parece responder bien. Es este el que quiero probar y pasarte los datos.

Estamos en contacto y mucha buena suerte en tus búsquedas, amigo de Chile.

Esteban

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

I like these photos. I don't say they are not satisfying. I only say they do not make scientific proof that LRL can find treasure at long range.

Best wishes,
J_P

OK, just is called the famous "photographic evidence", not scientific proof.

No really scientific proof or no traces of the neutrino you can see, only is present in a formula and a supossed oscillation? Has been constructed special detectors at depth in the Earth. But the scientific is laureates by this...

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Max

Hi,
can you post the original tube based schematic of year 1959 ? Or the schematic must remain secret stuff ?

Maybe that could give some better understanding of these things... if you can post it.

Kind regards,
Max

Deppend of permission. Remember that I was post a handrawn of the position of detector with the 2 coils, electromechanical vibrator, etc. Tubes are two 6L6, 1 in transmitter, other in receiver and the detection was hearing in 2,000 ohms earphones. Look, first was a table with the elements...!!! Alonso wish to rebuild it because as, he told me, distance with this was superior. Coils had 30 turns. Maybe somebody can find in old messages, I post 2 years ago??

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

I remember these was posted (color pics are in USA 1981 and 1985, two trips).

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

OK, just is called the famous "photographic evidence", not scientific proof.

No really scientific proof or no traces of the neutrino you can see, only is present in a formula and a supossed oscillation? Has been constructed special detectors at depth in the Earth. But the scientific is laureates by this...

Nobody asked for nutrinos. We asked for simple proof of finding treasure in our hand, same as any other metal detector design in the Geotech forum will show. Other metal detectors are proved to work. Only LRL fails to show this proof. Same as Santa Claus is not proved to be true.

Metal detector in hand finding treasures is real proof.
LRL that brings nothing but photos and stories is Santa Claus proof.

Best wishes,
J_P