New PD

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Morgan

Want some clues?

Geo´s PD is made with modificated Alonso´s PD circuit(only part of the circuit) the same happens with the Greek PD made by Vasillis where Geo get some clues to arrive at this stage of PD MASTERPIECE able to locate fresh gold coin many meters distance.
All the sucessfull LRL´s are made by modifications in the old Pistoldetektor.

Hi Morgan.
Previous PD is a modificated Alonso's PD. But the new PD has other schematic, other coils ....
If all goes well, by August I will have prepared the amendments of the new PD in order to solve some existing problems
Regards

[Geo]

Originally Posted by vali

hi geo
now that yuo have found the frequency of gold .yuo sort copper and silver ???
please answer?
regards . vali

Hi. I did not construct a lrl for copper or silver yet
Regards

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi Morgan.
Previous PD is a modificated Alonso's PD. But the new PD has other schematic, other coils ....
If all goes well, by August I will have prepared the amendments of the new PD in order to solve some existing problems
Regards

Very good that you can solve the existing problems.

Good luck

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi Morgan.
Previous PD is a modificated Alonso's PD. But the new PD has other schematic, other coils ....
If all goes well, by August I will have prepared the amendments of the new PD in order to solve some existing problems
Regards

Hello Geo

Did you try with the new PD some alloy name ELECTRON 50%AG+50%AU,or simple put one gold sovereign together with one silver ring and test the PD.

Will detect the alloy?

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Funfinder

I think Geo's test are real but we don't know what is exactly detected,

In contrary, we know what he exactly detected.
His PD detected (by moving) changes in earth magnetism lines.

I have made some changes in my (ferrite coil) pinpointer to convert it in some sort of magnetometer that can show phenomena as seen on Geos video.

There is only small mod, no hidden switch, no moving switch and no magic trick.
And get phenomena presented by Geos PD. Look at video:

http://youtu.be/xxBZ7OdtYeE
.
.

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by WM6

In contrary, we know what he exactly detected.
His PD detected (by moving) changes in earth magnetism lines.

I have made some changes in my (ferrite coil) pinpointer to convert it in some sort of magnetometer that can show phenomena as seen on Geos video.

There is only small mod, no hidden switch, no moving switch and no magic trick.
And get phenomena presented by Geos PD. Look at video:

http://youtu.be/xxBZ7OdtYeE
.
.

Well,very interesting.

But i have news from Greece,that the Adreas PD and Geo´s PD are working as LRL´s without any tricks. Simply the Geo´s PD is in the stage more dificult to handle,but Andreas solve this kind of problems and put the PD more easy to use. Of course when he put in his video,that PD can find fresh buried gold coin at 100m,is not true,one person participate in field test and max. distance was 4 or 5 m.


Regards

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Morgan

Well,very interesting.

But i have news from Greece,that the Adreas PD and Geo´s PD are working as LRL´s without any tricks. Simply the Geo´s PD is in the stage more dificult to handle,but Andreas solve this kind of problems and put the PD more easy to use. Of course when he put in his video,that PD can find fresh buried gold coin at 100m,is not true,one person participate in field test and max. distance was 4 or 5 m.


Regards

Morgan I agre with you.

A few meters in air detection can be relatively easy to achive by mixture of metal detector and RF receiver in construction.

But 20cm in soil at 100m distance are pure bluff and if it is done by commercial intention then it is scam.

[Zocky-Zocky]

Very, Very interesting WM6!!!
Eh, VM6! Would you like to share with us the scheme of your device?
Thank in advance!
Regards!
Zocky-Zocky

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Zocky-Zocky

Eh, VM6! Would you like to share with us the scheme of your device?

Probably nothing special to share, Zocky.

My pinpointer is made out of personal security detector (eBay, China, 4$+p&p).

In first line i replaced original air core coil with new wound on ferrite core.

To put pinpointer that work as some sort of magnetometer we need a minor additional mod.

I have no scheme and am not willing to draw it, but if you purchase the same thing, I can give you all data for mod needed to get the same results. Look at photos:

[nelson]

Very nice WM6. Indeed i have the same metal detector. So can you please share your expirence?
My email is ce3llp@mi.cl

In advance many thanks

Nelson

Originally Posted by WM6

Probably nothing special to share, Zocky.

My pinpointer is made out of personal security detector (eBay, China, 4$+p&p).

In first line i replaced original air core coil with new wound on ferrite core.

To put pinpointer that work as some sort of magnetometer we need a minor additional mod.

I have no scheme and am not willing to draw it, but if you purchase the same thing, I can give you all data for mod needed to get the same results. Look at photos:

[fmnotes]

Hey You.

AND ME I HAVE THE SAME detector.
PLEASE CAN YOU SEND MY INFORMATION.

THANK YOU.

fmnotes@yahoo.gr

[Zocky-Zocky]

Originally Posted by WM6

Probably nothing special to share, Zocky.

My pinpointer is made out of personal security detector (eBay, China, 4$+p&p).

In first line i replaced original air core coil with new wound on ferrite core.

To put pinpointer that work as some sort of magnetometer we need a minor additional mod.

I have no scheme and am not willing to draw it, but if you purchase the same thing, I can give you all data for mod needed to get the same results. Look at photos:

Thank you my answer WM6!
OK. I have a Metal Detector "Secon" Handsonde SC61 convenient to use it as the construction of your device.
Look forward your instructions.
Regards!
Zocky-Zocky

P.S. My E-mail is: jelenaizoran@open.telekom.rs
Thanks again!

[m@kedonas]

Dear friend WM6

Can you give me the data for mod needed to get the same results.
Thanks for your time
Costas
makedonas2000@yahoo.com

[g-sani]

I don't know but it looks like for many people achieving the same results as WM6"s is very enough.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by WM6

In contrary, we know what he exactly detected.
His PD detected (by moving) changes in earth magnetism lines.

I have made some changes in my (ferrite coil) pinpointer to convert it in some sort of magnetometer that can show phenomena as seen on Geos video.

There is only small mod, no hidden switch, no moving switch and no magic trick.
And get phenomena presented by Geos PD. Look at video:

http://youtu.be/xxBZ7OdtYeE
.
.

Hi WM6.
There is a big diference between your pinpointer and my lrl.
You detect a magnetic horizon (always at same direction) and i detect a buried coin from any direction.
It seems to be about the same principle but NO.

Regards

[Geo]

Originally Posted by WM6

Morgan I agre with you.

A few meters in air detection can be relatively easy to achive by mixture of metal detector and RF receiver in construction.

But 20cm in soil at 100m distance are pure bluff and if it is done by commercial intention then it is scam.

Remember that before 2...3 years for all of you was inpossible to detect in air few meters distance. Now ....YES... it is possible and maybe after 2..3 years to be possible for all of you a detection at 100m distance and at 20... 30 cm depth.
Anyway.... who is your program??? will you visit Greece this summer????

Regards

[g-sani]

Hallo Geo, how is it going?
Any improvementsn whith your PD?
Come over and visit me.I want you to have a look at my DCH to see if we can make its sensitivity adjustable.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi WM6.
There is a big diference between your pinpointer and my lrl.
You detect a magnetic horizon (always at same direction) and i detect a buried coin from any direction.
It seems to be about the same principle but NO.

Hi Geo.

My moded pin-pointer can detect "on remote" only earth magnetic field by moving through its line, nothing else.

Seems your PD detect the same phenomena. To aware us that this is not the same in your case, you need to to do some simple additional test (moving PD by unchanged settings in different directions) as you are asked by me and other sceptic here. Instead of give us such evidence, you close your exhibition. Sorry, but this is not enough to believe you that your PD can detect real target and not only planetary magnetism.

Geo, you are great engineer and do not need to stay by cheap unproven solution.

Originally Posted by Geo

Anyway.... who is your program??? will you visit Greece this summer????

Geo, my first program is to survival. After that if you have something new to test I will be happy to participate in the presentation of evidence. Maybe I need to build real electronic dowsing device, Neuron Laser PD, first, as present for you.

[vali]

you're right i agree with you wm6.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by nelson

Very nice WM6. Indeed i have the same metal detector. So can you please share your expirence?

Hi Nelson,

if you or anyone wish to try, here all data needed:

I moded Security handheld metal detector model: LT-88B, producer ZhangFei, China.

Air core coils was replaced by on ferrite rod wound coil (following to keep the same inductance).

Coils data (measured at measuring frequency of 10kHz):

L1
Inductance L=1.0mH
Resistance R=1.2E
Impedance Z=62E
Quality factor Q=54

L2
Inductance L=2.5uH
Resistance R=0.1E
Impedance Z=0.18E
Quality factor Q=1.5

Wire used for both coils: enamelled copper wire 0.25mm (AWG30 or AWG31). I do not remember how many turns was wound, so you have to follow inductance, which is more correct, cause you very likely do not have the same ferrite rod.

Coils have to be tuned on maximal sensitivity by multi-direction moving both coil to reach the best position, then fixed and glued by composite resin.

R33, originally 3kOhm, was replaced by potentiometer (by which we can turn detector in Earth-magnetism sensor) of 100kOhm (look at picture).

That's all. Enjoy sensing our lovely Planet.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by WM6

Hi Geo.

My moded pin-pointer can detect "on remote" only earth magnetic field by moving through its line, nothing else.

Seems your PD detect the same phenomena. To aware us that this is not the same in your case, you need to to do some simple additional test (moving PD by unchanged settings in different directions) as you are asked by me and other sceptic here. Instead of give us such evidence, you close your exhibition. Sorry, but this is not enough to believe you that your PD can detect real target and not only planetary magnetism.

Geo, you are great engineer and do not need to stay by cheap unproven solution.



Geo, my first program is to survival. After that if you have something new to test I will be happy to participate in the presentation of evidence. Maybe I need to build real electronic dowsing device, Neuron Laser PD, first, as present for you.

Hi WM6.
Sure i will do some simple additional test (moving PD by unchanged settings in different directions) and i will post it to you and to some other members. I know that i own it. But until now when i move the gold coin it needs some time so to stop to beep at the first position. I made some modifications but i did not finish them because this time i am very busy

Regards

[Geo]

Originally Posted by g-sani

Hallo Geo, how is it going?
Any improvementsn whith your PD?
Come over and visit me.I want you to have a look at my DCH to see if we can make its sensitivity adjustable.

Hi George.
I am fine, you??
Next month i believe to finish with my farm so to "play" a little with the DCH.
After August 15 you can call me

Regards

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi WM6.
Sure i will do some simple additional test (moving PD by unchanged settings in different directions) and i will post it to you and to some other members. I know that i own it. But until now when i move the gold coin it needs some time so to stop to beep at the first position. I made some modifications but i did not finish them because this time i am very busy

Regards

I am glad that you still insist, thanks Geo, don't hurry, the most important are only end-results.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by WM6

Hi Nelson,
if you or anyone wish to try, here all data needed:
I moded Security handheld metal detector model: LT-88B,
producer ZhangFei, China.
Air core coils was replaced by on ferrite rod wound coil (following to keep the same inductance).

Coils data (measured at measuring frequency of 10kHz):
L1
Inductance L=1.0mH
Resistance R=1.2E
Impedance Z=62E
Quality factor Q=54

L2
Inductance L=2.5uH
Resistance R=0.1E
Impedance Z=0.18E
Quality factor Q=1.5

Wire used for both coils: enamelled copper wire 0.25mm (AWG30 or AWG31). I do not remember how many turns was wound, so you have to follow inductance, which is more correct, cause you very likely do not have the same ferrite rod.
Coils have to be tuned on maximal sensitivity by multi-direction moving both coil to reach the best position, then fixed and glued by composite resin.
R33, originally 3kOhm, was replaced by potentiometer (by which we can turn detector in Earth-magnetism sensor) of 100kOhm (look at picture).



That's all. Enjoy sensing our lovely Planet.

Hi WM6,
Thank you for the infos.
This is the best presentation to show how to mod an experimental LRL that I have seen.
It gives ALL of the information needed with easy to read diagrams.
We have never seen such a well written LRL project in this forum.

Of course, other kinds of LRLs are more complicated, and may require more difficult details.
But hopefully others will notice your exceptionally good presentation and pattern their posts for mods to be similar.

Thank you for a job well done.


Best wishes,
J_P

[taxma1981]

fuss for 20 points depth; I have something better