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11-18-2006, 01:23 PM
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11-18-2006, 03:22 PM
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our first experience
Hi everybody. We tested our FG80 for 2 days. everything was ideal(sunny days, humidity 30-35%, temp: 15 C°)
it's not as simple as they claim. most of the times had random beeps that frustrated us. working with that is hard and may needs too much practice. we could detect the gold plate only under sun and with maximum sensitivity from 40-50 Cm not more. and surprisingly never beeped for my heavy wedding gold ring. it seems these devices react to reflected energy of metal plate not the metal itself. first day passed for some experiments and knowing little about its' behavior, then tried to do some serious searching in fields, and got some signals from distance, of course tracking a line is not simple, and most of times after 2-3 beep lose the signal, and have to increase the SENS to track it again. the worse thing is mostly when we reached to the point device started to continuous beep in every directions and this made us much confused. by changing the SENS could focus it in a smaller area. at these 2 days we got 7 signal lines and as 3 of them repeated at 2nd day, it's clear it detects something, but what's the exact, still we don't know. another problem is using the center & Deep, sometimes it responds (hardly) for detected point and mostly without second point, then can't know what's the real depth and the worse, what's the target dimensions!!!. if weather be good, we will do some diggings (of course with our MD accompany) by the time we understand the real behavior & language of FG80, should use MD among with it. anyway it needs much time to become expert by it and we are mystified specially with this very deficient manual. BTW; it treats differently of Zahori. as every electrical wire gives beep in zahori, but in FG80 some electrical fields (I think those that are powerful; e.g. electrical-counter, refrigerator, car engine... and as we before had searched these areas by zahori it could never track even one signal. wherase we could get lines from 10 to 50 meters or more. Carl, please don't spare me of sharing your experiences. thank you.
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11-18-2006, 04:58 PM
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This is as I wrote earlier;
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Like you, I also found that having to constantly increase or decrease the power manually to compensate for an ever changing SOF, can be frustrating and sometimes an exercise in futility. Yet I cannot deny that the Mineoro, does indeed work in ideal operating conditions. I see this as a problem that can be solved, but the engineers would have to revise their thinking and make some additions and modifications of their circuit. That requires time and money. Personally, I think the emphasis on humidity as the major problem is inaccurate. In my experience humidity is a minor problem which only becomes prevelant with fog, or Dew on the ground. I'm sorry I didn't have more opportunity to field test and compare the Mineoro, but so far, I'm still able to obtain better information about a potential Treasure site by using a pair of Dowsing Rods to meter the electronic signals, and it costs less. I look forward to hearing more of your results with Mineoro. Thank you for sharing. Dell
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11-18-2006, 07:03 PM
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As far as testing one non-working device by using another ... well, this is just nonsense. :confused: Quote:
 I'm sure that everyone here (with a few exceptions) are not in the least surprised to find that the Mineoro was unable to detect any gold, even when you could see it with your own eyes!  The whole LRL and dowsing phenomenon is simply a trick of the mind. It is well known that our capacity for self-deception has no limits. Human beings have an amazing capacity to deceive themselves into believing things that are not true. The problem is in convincing them that they are in error.
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11-20-2006, 04:47 PM
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jojo, hi
Can you email me with more details of what you are talking about. I really think this can be done, but like everyone i think, we need more information to understand this. My email is ce3llp@mi.cl In advance, many thanks. Regards Nelson
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11-20-2006, 10:51 PM
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there indeed treasure recoverY,but the map that i post mr wayne confirm that out of the 8x mark ,7 of them is positive of treasure cache.he dont even share some for the map owner.GREEDY PEOPLE,I HOPE MORE KARMA WILL SOON COME TO THE PEOPLE WITH THIS KIND OF CHARACTER. WHAT DO YOU THINK JIM? 
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11-20-2006, 11:36 PM
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Perhaps I need glasses, because I cannot spot any treasure in either photo. Is this like a "spot the ball" competition?
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11-21-2006, 12:21 PM
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You call that proof? we dont even know if they are looking for a treasure, let alone what technology they use.Please stop making fun of readers.
I still have the same question:Why MINEORO give a fresh gold test plate if it only detects old gold? Anyone? Fred.
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11-25-2006, 06:35 AM
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Wasted money&time...
 Michael,according to your report, now i have feeling that you are honest...unlike in the past. What you posted here....almost everything already have been seen. Me and my friends already tested and checked very simillar and gained very simillar results. You not gonna gain any progress in further. Things gonna be simillar....more or less. Device is just not capable of detecting what it is claimed to be.Period. Yes it is true,it is acting different than Zahori...but what benefit from it??? Those "lines" you are talking about....noting more than static changes from the very surface of the ground. What induced those changes? Ground content is more than composite. Mixture content also. Some of changes could be temporary, induced by present conditions at that only moment. But some of changes may stay persistent and long lasting due to cause of induction. For example if you have a huge cave right bellow testing point,you gonna have quite different ground static on surface above.... Big (i mean huge) anomaly in the ground will induce/produce quite different gnd static on surface....On hot,sunny day, that gnd static is gonna be even more different at that point than others arround....simply as that! Due to many reasons....temperature,resistivity,density...etc.. Zahori (as very simple device) is not capable to "catch" those differences but only major AC charge/discharge....usually met on high power lines at long range and very ordinary AC lines at short range. But devices like mineoro might be a bit more sensitive and able to "track" some which Zahori can not... But this still does not mean that you can detect simple coin on few meters...also no ion detection involved in those at all. Very "wide" receiving "spectrum" of those, unstability....also no way to know origin of detection leads you to conclusion that those devices are more than unusable in metal detection. It is so obvious that mineoro founders tried in the past to gain some benefits from that kind of apparatus, but they stuck to point with no return. They gained as much as it possible from those and nothing more. Wasted time....no progress....finally they decided to make some money of those by advertising and selling by hot prices, somehow to compensate lost time and money....Not honest at all. What else you can do to check and be sure in those? Simply dig the points of detection and try to distinguish what was the "object" of detections. You gonna find nothing at the end. Later when you switch on mineoro and try to detect again that "line", you'll find out that there is no "line" any more??? You disturbed previous gnd state by digging and lost "line" for good! By very rare,random,"wild" case,fluke, when digging, you may find some item (usually plenty of them in the ground, everywhere)....and than you'll be "very sure" that mineoro done a job! In that unfortunate case, no one would convince you ever that mineoro is bogus! You will beleive in it more than in God! Any further missfind with it you will be ready to explain to your mind as situation where all needed conditions arent met properly! Neither once you will not doubt in mineoro in future. I think this is case with Hung, if we take him as honest man at all. Thats why i said "unfortunate" case....Beware, do not let your mind to fool you! Always take some reserve and do a double blind tests.... Finally, you'll find out that fg80 is BOGUS for real, and that you wasted much money!Sorry! Carl, what is with your report??? Take short holliday from Maxim and do the testing man! By the way,whats new in Maxim?
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11-25-2006, 03:37 PM
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11-25-2006, 08:03 PM
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Bike bust...
Bike is good only in China...Huh! I hope you'll get better soon! regards!
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11-26-2006, 07:12 AM
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Empty hole
Robert, maybe you're right, I don't know what's the exact conclusion.
,but you believe me or not, every time I have been honest here, now you can't believe me due to your knowledge and information is another thing. If I hadn't seen found treasures by LRLs ,I would never have bought FG80, anyway it is a new experience albeit maybe thoroughly useless. ....Simply dig the points of detection and try to distinguish what was the "object" of detections. You gonna find nothing ...You disturbed previous gnd state by digging and lost.... about this part it's right about every kind of detector; MDs, GPRs,... (of course for very ancient and deep targets not a coin at short depth.) you should do everything before digging( triple Xing) and make control scans in different days. after digging up to near guessed depth should put aside detector. Anyway for our 2nd trip and 3 days working by FG80, we had some repeatable and constant signals for in different conditions; one day humidity 40% temp: 10 C° another day humidity 85% temp 7-8 C°. we could get and easily pinpoint signals on the ground; one was from 10-15 meters another from 50-70 meters. surprisingly C&D was working like as determining by only FG80. one place was at 1 meter depth another place ( which itself was 3 points!!!) at 4.5 meters. after measuring point and depth from every direction, we decided to work on less depth(1 meter) and be sure what is it really doing. our PI MD gave no signal. we dug there to 150 Cm depth with 1 meter diameter, only found a very very ancient grave with some bones and smashed ceramic, nothing more!!!. we searched all the hole by our MD, no metal, no metal,.... now we are in high hesitation to dig only based on FG80 results. maybe we need some special leadings, maybe it has problem in pinponting,... anyway we are going to loose our temper for this device as it behaves crazy many times ( continuous and meaningless beepings). sometimes we have signal in 1-3 times horizontal movement then disappears whereas have it only in vertically movement!!!,.......
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11-28-2006, 06:38 AM
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Carl-NC report nothing about FG80...
Talk us something about yours probes with a NEW TOY. Thank diminute El señor Carl no acaba de reportar nada acerca de ese nuevo juguete, el FG80 Estamos espectantes de esos resultados. ADELANTA ALGO
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Yes it does. It's just even less sensitive to dispersive fields than before. I believe you got the '999' locked model. You just turn it on and go. Although you may think it won't beep at gold, it will for sure and it's working perfectly. Aproach it from a fluorescent light and get it closer to light switches turning them on and off and it also will beep. In the case of fresh gold, if it's not detecting it in the CONDITIONS ALREADY EXPLAINED, contact them and tell them about. I believe it might get a sensitive increase adjust. By the way, how is the gold at wall story coming? This model is even easier to pinpoint it provided it's there.
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