Dell's complaints

[hung]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Did you know that you can edit a previous message several minutes after it was posted? Just click on the "Edit" button below the post.
I note that only one minute had elapsed between your original and corrected versions.

Thanks for the info. I did not know that.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Jim

LoL...about tossed my cookies reading this song/dance routine.

I assume that by the mere mention of "NASA scientists" we (the casual observer) should be impressed. Nope.

Damasio should take Carl Moreland’s 25K challenge and prove his scam/fraud device REALLY works.

You shouldn't be eating while reading this forum.
You're liable to do yourself an injury.

[Kev]

Originally Posted by hung

What about 50 years of researching the phenomena which allowed them to build a device which it is today? Isn't it worth something?

Pal, take it from a popular short story among us audio engineers. A Sony technician was called to repair a 3348 digital recorder once. When he was finished he said the culprit was just a tiny resistor that had burned. When asked how much he would charge he said 1,000 dollars. The facility owner almost collapsed. What kind of resistor could possibly cost him 1,000 dollars?
The repairman said: "Actually the resistor is 50 cents. I'm charging $999.50 for discovering which one was it."

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Actually, this is one of those modern myths, like the one about the woman who tried to dry her dog in the microwave.

The usual version is this one:
The manager of a manufacturing plant who, unable to solve a mechanical breakdown, sent for the retired engineer who had installed the machinery. Following a brief inspection, the engineer took a hammer and hit a pipe which did the trick. The next day the engineer submitted a bill for $1,000 to a horrified manager. Above the protests at the charge for a solitary hammer-blow the retired engineer explained, "only $1.00 of it is for hitting the pipe. The other $999 is for knowing where to hit it."

As far as LRLs are concerned - well that's another modern myth. But in this case the charge should only be $1.00, as the "knowing" part is nonexistent.

Thanks Qiaozhi, I've not heard that one before. With the extra embellishment Hung provided, it all seemed plausible to me.
Goes to show, some just can't help themselves from blending the truth with fiction. All their expressions become totally unreliable.

Kev.

[UWLocator]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Actually, this is one of those modern myths, like the one about the woman who tried to dry her dog in the microwave.

The usual version is this one:
The manager of a manufacturing plant who, unable to solve a mechanical breakdown, sent for the retired engineer who had installed the machinery. Following a brief inspection, the engineer took a hammer and hit a pipe which did the trick. The next day the engineer submitted a bill for $1,000 to a horrified manager. Above the protests at the charge for a solitary hammer-blow the retired engineer explained, "only $1.00 of it is for hitting the pipe. The other $999 is for knowing where to hit it."

As far as LRLs are concerned - well that's another modern myth. But in this case the charge should only be $1.00, as the "knowing" part is nonexistent.

The first time I heard that story it was a 5 cent fuse and a $50.05 total charge. Guess I am getting old!

[Seeker]

Originally Posted by UWLocator

The first time I heard that story it was a 5 cent fuse and a $50.05 total charge. Guess I am getting old!

When I heard that story in my place of Earth, then spoke for $0,10 nut and $100 work. The amount of charge not matter. More important is for what guys spend money. If the machine work good - OK , no problem! But if they buy the scam - this is indicative of stupidity . In last ages people can buy capricorn's horn for good health . Now we know that capricorn exist , the more so his horn
In every one culture or civilization live people, who grow rich by fraud.

[Dell Winders]

One skeptic defined an Ideomoter response for me. He said you can't see the Ideomoter response, you can't feel it, you can't hear it, you can't taste it. Yet, without ever meeting you, or seeing what you are doing, the skeptic cult has this uncanny ability to tell you exactly what you are doing, and how you are doing it. It's almost like they are practicing voodo, but more like harassment.

Since it hasn't been measured, The Ideomotor response appears to be sort of a "Faith" based Scientific theory, but I think there is enough anectdotal evidence to support the probability.

I "Believe" it exists and that I exercise a "Trained" Ideomotor response in my own Dowsing. The theory of an Ideomotor Dowsing response works well for me. It's pretty neat when you learn to understand how it works, and able to use it to your advantage. I have no complaint about my Ideomotor response, and I reccommend it. Everyone should have the priveledge of owning one. Dell

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

One skeptic defined an Ideomoter response for me. He said you can't see the Ideomoter response, you can't feel it, you can't hear it, you can't taste it. Yet, without ever meeting you, or seeing what you are doing, the skeptic cult has this uncanny ability to tell you exactly what you are doing, and how you are doing it. It's almost like they are practicing voodo, but more like harassment.

Since it hasn't been measured, The Ideomotor response appears to be sort of a "Faith" based Scientific theory, but I think there is enough anectdotal evidence to support the probability.

I "Believe" it exists and that I exercise a "Trained" Ideomotor response in my own Dowsing. The theory of an Ideomotor Dowsing response works well for me. It's pretty neat when you learn to understand how it works, and able to use it to your advantage. I have no complaint about my Ideomotor response, and I reccommend it. Everyone should have the priveledge of owning one. Dell

Shouldn't this post be in the Dell Winders Crybaby thread?

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

One skeptic defined an Ideomoter response for me.

Originally Posted by ivconic

"ideomotor response"

Ahh!
Dell uses an ideomoter response, which must be somewhat different.
So that explains it!

[Qiaozhi]

Scientific tests by American psychologist William James, French chemist Michel Chevreul, English scientist Michael Faraday (Zusne and Jones 1989: 111), and American psychologist Ray Hyman have demonstrated that many phenomena attributed to spiritual or paranormal forces, or to mysterious "energies," are actually due to ideomotor action. Furthermore, these tests demonstrate that "honest, intelligent people can unconsciously engage in muscular activity that is consistent with their expectations" (Hyman 1999). They also show that suggestions that can guide behavior can be given by subtle clues (Hyman 1977).

So there you have it...

[Jim]

You are trying to present logic to someone who sells a novelty dowsing rod (bent wire) for $300 that totally depends on the Ideomotor Effect.

That’s right…$300 for a bent piece of wire.

[michael]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Scientific tests by American psychologist William James, French chemist Michel Chevreul, English scientist Michael Faraday (Zusne and Jones 1989: 111), and American psychologist Ray Hyman have demonstrated that many phenomena attributed to spiritual or paranormal forces, or to mysterious "energies," are actually due to ideomotor action....

Now the discussion reached here , excuse me, the people who tell these things and get a scientific gesture really don't know anything about spiritual knowledge.
these closed minds have been raised from their absolute financial cogitations.
But in this world are things unacceptable for man thought & mind.
e.g. Who does believe that water molecules are intelligent?
surely at first you see this statement laugh and mock. please a little pause and ponder about.
you can see a japans professor (Dr.Emoto) research results about water reactions to every word in every language. water molecules
perceive words. see here you will get.
http://www.energetic-medicine.net/re...of%20water.htm
And this is right about so many other things that physical or chemical sciences refute, so that can't analyze them. I before have pointed to 2 of them; jinn, UFO,...
Can you accept one day man be able to pass through a wall like air? NO?
Can you accept one day man won't need to any vehicle to go around world or even other planets? No? Why? cose physic can't accept?
These are all today impossible and even silly words, but I'm sure will occur, but not now. when man get high spiritual capacity not take advantage from the abilities (like what did with Nuke weapons) not to oppress, violate and impoverish his own-kind, will get these abilities. (all of these are foretells from one ancient book I own it and even most of nowadays advancements had been predicted in it) Admittedly all of these days advancements are indebted to physic, but physic is reaching to end way, is dying, maybe in future have some advancements, but not a significant transformation like previous and present century comparison. god founded Physic as an introduction for metaphysic, infraphysic and at last spiritual.... that man mind never can understand,..... then become SKEPTIC, the only thing can do,...

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by michael

Now the discussion reached here , excuse me, the people who tell these things and get a scientific gesture really don't know anything about spiritual knowledge.
these closed minds have been raised from their absolute financial cogitations.
But in this world are things unacceptable for man thought & mind.
e.g. Who does believe that water molecules are intelligent?
surely at first you see this statement laugh and mock. please a little pause and ponder about.
you can see a japans professor (Dr.Emoto) research results about water reactions to every word in every language. water molecules
perceive words. see here you will get.
http://www.energetic-medicine.net/re...of%20water.htm
And this is right about so many other things that physical or chemical sciences refute, so that can't analyze them. I before have pointed to 2 of them; jinn, UFO,...
Can you accept one day man be able to pass through a wall like air? NO?
Can you accept one day man won't need to any vehicle to go around world or even other planets? No? Why? cose physic can't accept?
These are all today impossible and even silly words, but I'm sure will occur, but not now. when man get high spiritual capacity not take advantage from the abilities (like what did with Nuke weapons) not to oppress, violate and impoverish his own-kind, will get these abilities. (all of these are foretells from one ancient book I own it and even most of nowadays advancements had been predicted in it) Admittedly all of these days advancements are indebted to physic, but physic is reaching to end way, is dying, maybe in future have some advancements, but not a significant transformation like previous and present century comparison. god founded Physic as an introduction for metaphysic, infraphysic and at last spiritual.... that man mind never can understand,..... then become SKEPTIC, the only thing can do,...

No comment ...

[ivconic]

Ha,ha,ha....regards Dell!!!

I was trying to put some logic in all that fuzz...

But since you are much experienced in that stuff than me,please,why dont you explain here, step by step all the dowsing tips and hints...for us beginers?
How can you explain Hungs revelations with Examiner? It is stated and established before that Examiner is electronically speaking, junk. So it must be at least dowsing rod if nothing else?
I am interested for real,i am not jokin!
Come Dell and speak!
best regards

[ivconic]

Ha,ha,ha...
Why didnt you explain this before?
All this fuzz about nothing?
best regards Dell..

[Dell Winders]

You are trying to present logic to someone who sells a novelty dowsing rod (bent wire) for $300 that totally depends on the Ideomotor Effect.

That’s right…$300 for a bent piece of wire.

Jim, your exhibitions of childish ignorance are excusable.

The handle is made of Brass. The Rod is made of plastic. Some ideomotor response is required to wrap your hand and fingers around the handle and raise your arm to sweep in the direction of the "field" of an anomaly.

Unlike mental, ideomotor response Dowsing, the operator is unable to mentally discriminate to the anomalies of their choice with the Dell Directional Locator. It appears to operate according to physics of Earth Science.

All my customers have proclaimed the merits of this anomaly "Field" locating device and consider it the best available on the market. Now that a precedent has been set, I have no doubt that you, or any one of the forum viewers can duplicate, build and improve on it. The componnents are simple, inexpensive and the benefits are great.

When reception is good a novice operator can "Feel" the lock on to the "field" of an anomaly while "Blindfolded". According to the Skeptic cult, proclaimed experts, Dowsing cannot be accompolished without the use of vision. So, if this is a Dowsing Rod by Skeptic cult definitions, you have a contridiction.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND. Dell

[Dell Winders]

DOWSING: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...ad.php?t=11427

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Jim, your exhibitions of childish ignorance are excusable.

The handle is made of Brass. The Rod is made of plastic. Some ideomotor response is required to wrap your hand and fingers around the handle and raise your arm to sweep in the direction of the "field" of an anomaly.

Unlike mental, ideomotor response Dowsing, the operator is unable to mentally discriminate to the anomalies of their choice with the Dell Directional Locator. It appears to operate according to physics of Earth Science.

All my customers have proclaimed the merits of this anomaly "Field" locating device and consider it the best available on the market. Now that a precedent has been set, I have no doubt that you, or any one of the forum viewers can duplicate, build and improve on it. The componnents are simple, inexpensive and the benefits are great.

When reception is good a novice operator can "Feel" the lock on to the "field" of an anomaly while "Blindfolded". According to the Skeptic cult, proclaimed experts, Dowsing cannot be accompolished without the use of vision. So, if this is a Dowsing Rod by Skeptic cult definitions, you have a contridiction.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND. Dell

My goodness!
How innovative - a brass handle and a plastic rod. Whatever will they think of next?
Oh well, if you can't make it work, then you could always use it as a paint roller.

[okantex]

gentleman
while talking about ideomotor.or ideot motor.whatever it is.
have you ever tried this L rods.
I still can not explain but I can find cavities.
do not you think,while you are holding a wire which has smooth surface.how could you turn it even with your desires or muscular movements.
which of you skeptic can explain ,how to turn round bar in side of hand .
sorry but human muscles are not like snake muscles.
and you do not have to contact to bar dirctly.use pencils between your hand and brass.
I agree we can not explain and even 1 dolar is to much for such a brass.but works when you pass over a cavity.
NOT FROM LONG DİSTANCE.JUST OVER İT.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by okantex

gentleman
while talking about ideomotor.or ideot motor.whatever it is.
have you ever tried this L rods.
I still can not explain but I can find cavities.
do not you think,while you are holding a wire which has smooth surface.how could you turn it even with your desires or muscular movements.
which of you skeptic can explain ,how to turn round bar in side of hand .
sorry but human muscles are not like snake muscles.
and you do not have to contact to bar dirctly.use pencils between your hand and brass.
I agree we can not explain and even 1 dolar is to much for such a brass.but works when you pass over a cavity.
NOT FROM LONG DİSTANCE.JUST OVER İT.

There's plenty of explanation here -> http://skepdic.com/dowsing.html

On a slightly different tack - has anyone every tried using a ouija board?
If you have, then you'll probably agree that the first time you experience the glass moving across the board it scares the crap out of you!
But once you've done it a few times, had some nightmares in the process, and protested to everyone else that they're pushing the glass, it soon becomes clear that this has nothing to do with contacting dead relatives from beyond the grave. A few simple experiments, like swapping people around, can establish if anyone is moving the glass on purpose. One important point I discovered was that the ouija board can answer a question correctly only if someone at the table knows the correct reply. You can prove this by asking a question to which someone else in the room (but not sat the ouija board) knows the answer. After the board answers incorrectly, then get the missing person to join the group. Miraculously the board will answer correctly. You can carry on experimenting like this for a long time, but it's impossible to determine why the glass moves. It appears to be by magic, or by spiritual intervention.

What has this got to do with treasure hunting? Actually (like dowsing) absolutely nothing, except they they both demonstrate the power of the ideomotor effect. So in the same way that the people sat at the ouija board cannot understand why the glass moves, the dowser cannot understand why the rods move. It's the same underlying process.

The ideomotor response is very compelling, but at the end of the day it's an illusion, and a trick of the mind.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

It appears to operate according to physics of Earth Science.

A-yup. It's called "gravity."

[Dell Winders]

Gravity, can be some hinderance but technically is a comparatively weak force. You are grasping at straws of ignorance, Carl.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND.

[Dell Winders]

Qiaozhi, There's no need to go any further than the first paragraph of your reference to see the fallacy of the author's ridiculous imagination regarding Dowsing. Dowsing is neither "Divining" magical, occult, or paranormal. It's an inherhent ability in each of us that with learning, study and practice can be developed into a beneficial talent.

Be safe in displaying your ignorance about Dowsing, and stick with the explanation that Dowsing is the minds ability to manifest itself and convey it's information physically thru the use of a trained mind/muscle "Ideomoter response.

An eighteenth century Lutheran Biship wrote; "For those of you who are Dowsing in the streets and finding hairpins and bits of metal, you are fools.

For those who are Dowsing and finding great wealth, it is the work of the devil."

This hypocricisy and deception is carried on today by the Skeptic cult, by you and Carl, on this forum.

DECEPTIVE GARBAGE:

Since dowsing is not based upon any known scientific or empirical laws or forces of nature, it should be considered a type of divination and an example of magical thinking. The dowser tries to locate objects by occult means.

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND" Dell

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND" Dell

It appears to me that you need to meditate on your own quotation, as your mind is clearly closed to any criticism, and shows a complete lack of knowledge or understanding of the real phyiscal world. Of course, some may say that you have a vested interest in propagating this mystical nonsense.

However, you have made good one point on which I do agree.

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Dowsing is neither "Divining" magical, occult, or paranormal.

Quite correct - it's "phsychological".

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

It appears to me that you need to meditate on your own quotation, as your mind is clearly closed to any criticism, and shows a complete lack of knowledge or understanding of the real phyiscal world. Of course, some may say that you have a vested interest in propagating this mystical nonsense.

Well said.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Jim

Well said.

Unfortunately I wrote "phsychological", instead of "psychological". :o
Another trick of the mind.

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