H3Tec sad testimonial

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

Maybe you should watch this before stating your facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aRKA...e_gdata_player

You may learn something.

OK - this is very basic stuff ..... and your point is?

[Tim Williams]

Point is all nmr frequencies of elements are in audio range in the earths field. Didn't you watch the videos?

[Fred]

Originally Posted by fenixdigger

Fred;
you may want to read that one again. If that's what came out of my statement, it wasn"t what I meant. More like it's not reliable for the exact target every time.

If i had a gun that correspond to this description i would say it doens´t work.And is dangerous, and shouldn´t be sold.

[fenixdigger]

Hi Tim;

It's the same story as the other forums, he's just here to argue and run people off. I think most people here have him on Ignore as I do now.

There are some really sharp guys here, and they try to do things besides argue. Way out of his league.

[fenixdigger]

Not quite Fred. Closer to say "The barrel is bent" It works on more than it should. So you "miss" the intended target a lot. But you will find things.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

Point is all nmr frequencies of elements are in audio range in the earths field. Didn't you watch the videos?

Yes, but NMR and MRI have absolutely nothing to do with MFDs. On the contrary, MFD manufacturers are borrowing concepts, they don't understand, from the real world of science, and twisting them into pseudo-scientific ideas in an attempt to give credence to their non-working products.

H3Tec is a slightly more sophisticated attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the technically challenged.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

Point is all nmr frequencies of elements are in audio range in the earths field. Didn't you watch the videos?

Originally posted by: Qiaozhi
Yes, but NMR and MRI have absolutely nothing to do with MFDs. On the contrary, MFD manufacturers are borrowing concepts, they don't understand, from the real world of science, and twisting them into pseudo-scientific ideas in an attempt to give credence to their non-working products.

H3Tec is a slightly more sophisticated attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the technically challenged.

Hi Tim,
You are correct that the precession frequencies are in the audio range when in the earth's magnetic field.
But there are three reasons why Qiaozhi is correct that the precession frequencies have nothing to do with MFD and especially do not apply to the H3Tec:

1. If you watch the videos, you will learn that precession frequency is detected by using a magnetic field which is accomplished with a coil provide a uniform field around a sample, and a second coil to sense the fluctuations after the field is removed. We see MFD devices do not use coils to create a field or to sense fluctuations in the magnetic field of a sample.

2. The narrator in the video shows how it is necessary to place the sample in a very strong magnetic field 350 times stronger than the earth's field to get a suitable amount of precession to measure above the background noise.
The sample must be placed inside the sensor coil in order for the sensor to detect the precession.
None of his demonstrations could work without placing the sample in this highly controlled magnetic environment for measuring precession.
We remember in the video how the narrator removed the water sample from the coils in order to show they got a real signal when it was inside the coil, and it disappeared and showed only noise when it was removed.
But MFD has only the earth's field to act as a pseudo uniform field, and the sensor is non-magnetic, and is located nowhere near the sample to be measured.
The MFD stimulator is not a strong magnetic field, but a very low power signal generator usually running at 5 volts.
This signal is an electrical voltage signal on a wire, not a uniform magnetic field.
Any tiny trace of magnetism which could be induced by a small movement of current is millions of times smaller than the 20 Tesla field which the narrator used in his demonstration.

This is pretty convincing evidence that MFD signal generators have nothing to do with NMR/MRI methods.
I would think if MFD could work at all, it could not work on the principle of precession detection.
And so far I have seen no evidence that MFD works at all except anecdotal stories.
But I have seen evidence that it does not work in actual field experiments.

3. In the case of H3Tec, we can compare the equipment to MFD because it has a circuit board which is claimed to send out a signal.
The manufacturer claims a signal is sent to the smaller of the two dowsing rods in order to excite the isotope which you select in a grid up to 10 miles square.
But when Carl took apart the small dowsing rod, he found it was connected to a ground wire, not a signal wire. This is outright fraud.
They lied about sending out a signal to the small dowsing rod.
So the H3Tec locator cannot excite atoms using NMR, or MRI methods or MFD methods.
I believe that even you witnessed the H3Tec failing to find the silver coins it was set to find in the field.

It looks to me like you are right that precession frequencies are in the audio range in the earth's field, and Qiaozhi is right about how NMR and MRI have absolutely nothing to do with MFDs.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Tim Williams]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Yes, but NMR and MRI have absolutely nothing to do with MFDs. On the contrary, MFD manufacturers are borrowing concepts, they don't understand, from the real world of science, and twisting them into pseudo-scientific ideas in an attempt to give credence to their non-working products.

H3Tec is a slightly more sophisticated attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the technically challenged.

I've been driving for all day. I never said it did. I never said H3tec had anything to do with my post. Read SWR's post. I understand completely about NMR and MRI. If NMR did not exist you would not have MRI! MFD is term used by Dell as the frequency at which elements resonate. Guess where it was taken from? The frequencies of NMR. So if I tell you that 197 Gold resonates at 36.80hz @ 50nt Would I be liying? Or 107 Ag @ 86.16? How about H @ 2128.58hz? Those are not harmonics.

People using generators all these years and been using many frequencies in the audio range. So what? Science has not proven that dowsing using generators works. I've always said that even on my site. But prople are still locating using MFD systems.

Tim

[Tim Williams]

Hi Tim,
You are correct that the precession frequencies are in the audio range when in the earth's magnetic field.
But there are three reasons why Qiaozhi is correct that the precession frequencies have nothing to do with MFD and especially do not apply to the H3Tec:

1. If you watch the videos, you will learn that precession frequency is detected by using a magnetic field which is accomplished with a coil provide a uniform field around a sample, and a second coil to sense the fluctuations after the field is removed. We see MFD devices do not use coils to create a field or to sense fluctuations in the magnetic field of a sample.

True It's only used to tilt the axis of the proton. Then that field is turned off. That's when the earths field comes in. The tilts re-align to the earths field and that's where the NMR is read.

2. The narrator in the video shows how it is necessary to place the sample in a very strong magnetic field 350 times stronger than the earth's field to get a suitable amount of precession to measure above the background noise.
The sample must be placed inside the sensor coil in order for the sensor to detect the precession.
None of his demonstrations could work without placing the sample in this highly controlled magnetic environment for measuring precession.
We remember in the video how the narrator removed the water sample from the coils in order to show they got a real signal when it was inside the coil, and it disappeared and showed only noise when it was removed.

Of course.

But MFD has only the earth's field to act as a pseudo uniform field, and the sensor is non-magnetic, and is located nowhere near the sample to be measured.
The MFD stimulator is not a strong magnetic field, but a very low power signal generator usually running at 5 volts.

Don't need the field. We are not looking to find the frequency.


This signal is an electrical voltage signal on a wire, not a uniform magnetic field.
Any tiny trace of magnetism which could be induced by a small movement of current is millions of times smaller than the 20 Tesla field which the narrator used in his demonstration.

This is pretty convincing evidence that MFD signal generators have nothing to do with NMR/MRI methods.

Who said they did? I am only talk about frequency of elements.

I would think if MFD could work at all, it could not work on the principle of precession detection.
And so far I have seen no evidence that MFD works at all except anecdotal stories.
But I have seen evidence that it does not work in actual field experiments.

3. In the case of H3Tec, we can compare the equipment to MFD because it has a circuit board which is claimed to send out a signal.
The manufacturer claims a signal is sent to the smaller of the two dowsing rods in order to excite the isotope which you select in a grid up to 10 miles square.
But when Carl took apart the small dowsing rod, he found it was connected to a ground wire, not a signal wire. This is outright fraud.
They lied about sending out a signal to the small dowsing rod.
So the H3Tec locator cannot excite atoms using NMR, or MRI methods or MFD methods.
I believe that even you witnessed the H3Tec failing to find the silver coins it was set to find in the field.

I can't talk for H3tec. Well He just the unit and we tested.


It looks to me like you are right that precession frequencies are in the audio range in the earth's field, and Qiaozhi is right about how NMR and MRI have absolutely nothing to do with MFDs.

Well we are using the NMR frequencies in the earth field and harmonics.

Tim

[J_Player]

Hi Tim,
I see you agreed completely with what I said except for three comments to clarify your position:

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

...Don't need the [magnetic] field. We are not looking to find the frequency.
...Well we are using the NMR frequencies in the earth field and harmonics.
...I can't talk for H3tec. Well He just the unit and we tested.

From what you say about the H3Tec, I know you and Carl only made your tests on the unit at the show to see it didn't work.
But Carl also tested another unit later, which he also found to not work.
And he took it apart and found a lot of information about the technical aspects of it.
This is how we discovered they lied about sending out a signal that excites isotopes for up to 10 miles grid.
But we didn't need to wait for Carl to take it apart.
Anyone can read about the events that took place in the past year to see they have been lying all along about their claims for their locator.
The test lab confirmed they lied about passing double blind testing, and even the awards people confirmed they did not win the awards as they claimed.
Their lies do not stop there... The evidence is overwhelming that they have a fake detector that they promote with lies and exagerrations to convince people to buy it.
If a ground wire connected to a dowsing rod works to excite isotopes in a 10 mile square grid as they claim, then why not disconnect the signal generator wire you use in your MFD and replace it with a ground wire to see what happens?
I would think that even though you only tested one unit, you know quite a bit more about the likelyhood that H3Tec equipment could work.

From what you are saying about MFD, it seems you agree MFD is not the same as NMR and MRI methods.
The only similarity is you set your signal generator to the same frequencies that are used for NMR and MRI methods.
It is quite easy to see MFD does not use magnetic methods for detection.
This means that MFD can only work if a dowsing rod with a signal generator is responsive to some target substance hidden in the distance.
I won't bother to ask how it works, as I doubt anyone has a clue of how to explain it in a way that doesn't sound like pseudoscience nonsense.
But feel free to explain it if you can.
It would be intersting to see a real live demonstration of this method working rather than reading an endless list of anecdotal tales of success in forum posts that say it really works.
Maybe you know people who will be able to show it working to find hidden metals in the Southern California area?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

So if I tell you that 197 Gold resonates at 36.80hz @ 50nt Would I be liying?

Tim

So if I used the sixth harmonic of 36.85 Hz that comes out to (you do the math). Where have I seen that number before? That one Bill Morgan used. I think it was in 1996 one of Dell's MFD's used something like 222 Hz. It must be some kind of coincidence, no? You mean to tell me the gold I found on that frequency was random chance? What shrink do you go to? He is a rip-off!!!

Abbe Mermet said the sixth and eleventh harmonic rings are the strongest.

[Tim Williams]

From what you are saying about MFD, it seems you agree MFD is not the same as NMR and MRI methods.

Correct! But MFD uses the frequencies in the earth field that is in the audio range. That is all I am saying.

The only similarity is you set your signal generator to the same frequencies that are used for NMR and MRI methods.

Correct.

It is quite easy to see MFD does not use magnetic methods for detection.

Correct.

This means that MFD can only work if a dowsing rod with a signal generator is responsive to some target substance hidden in the distance.
I won't bother to ask how it works, as I doubt anyone has a clue of how to explain it in a way that doesn't sound like pseudoscience nonsense.
But feel free to explain it if you can.

I don't think I could add anything new. But, I do use generators as a added tool when treasure hunting. I even use it to map dowse. Look here.

http://lrlman.com/serveying.htm

Read about the silver lamps. Can I explain it. No But it happened. I was using NMR frequencies and my equipment.

It would be intersting to see a real live demonstration of this method working rather than reading an endless list of anecdotal tales of success in forum posts that say it really works.

I understand. I read all the merry go round about dowsing and LRL's and try to stay out of it. But I just wanted to let the thread know that LRL's are using the NMR frequencies in the earth field and harmonics of them.

Maybe you know people who will be able to show it working to find hidden metals in the Southern California area?

Someone may want to get with you, I don't know. You can make an offer to meet with someone just so they can show you how they use LRL equipment. Someone may step up.

Tim

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

...MFD uses the frequencies in the earth field that is in the audio range. That is all I am saying.

...I do use generators as a added tool when treasure hunting. I even use it to map dowse. Look here.

http://lrlman.com/serveying.htm

Read about the silver lamps. Can I explain it. No But it happened. I was using NMR frequencies and my equipment.

Tim

Hi Tim,
I can understand your map dowsing success for the silver lamp.
I often use my similar method to find coins at the beach.
But I don't need a frequency generator. I use the guess method to find the coins.
I have been over 95% successful at locating lost coins from a long distance using my guess method.
It seems strange that I can locate more coins from home with a map of the beach than when in the sand by guessing.
Of course, I use a metal detector for pinpointing, but I nearly always find the targets that were located from a really long distance by using the scientific method of guessing.
How it works?
I don't know, but I know it works because I saw it work with my own eyes!

Originally Posted by J_Player

...Maybe you know people who will be able to show it working to find hidden metals in the Southern California area?

Originally posted by Tim Williams
Someone may want to get with you, I don't know. You can make an offer to meet with someone just so they can show you how they use LRL equipment. Someone may step up.

I have had an open offer for anyone to demonstrate an LRL working in the Southern California area, and even offered to post videos of it. But nobody has responded in the past 5 years. Maybe someone can show it working now?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

Maybe you should watch this before stating your facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aRKA...e_gdata_player

You may learn something.

Hi Tim...sorry for the late reply (out of town)....I feel the other forum citizens have posted sufficient information. The basic frequency generator will not act the same (or similar to) NMR spectroscopy

Take care, Jim

[Tim Williams]

Never said it did!

[Tim Williams]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Tim,
I can understand your map dowsing success for the silver lamp.
I often use my similar method to find coins at the beach.
But I don't need a frequency generator. I use the guess method to find the coins.
I have been over 95% successful at locating lost coins from a long distance using my guess method.
It seems strange that I can locate more coins from home with a map of the beach than when in the sand by guessing.
Of course, I use a metal detector for pinpointing, but I nearly always find the targets that were located from a really long distance by using the scientific method of guessing.
How it works?
I don't know, but I know it works because I saw it work with my own eyes!


I have had an open offer for anyone to demonstrate an LRL working in the Southern California area, and even offered to post videos of it. But nobody has responded in the past 5 years. Maybe someone can show it working now?

Best wishes,
J_P

J_p The picture I have on my site is cropped. Here's the link to the full picture.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...,375766.0.html

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

J_p The picture I have on my site is cropped. Here's the link to the full picture.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...,375766.0.html

It's like a "Spot The Ball" competition for map dowsers!

[Tim Williams]

That's a very large area. It's hard to say I hit a silver target from a picture many miles away isn't it. If you want to call that chance then I'll take my chances!why don't you calculate the area in red and tell me the odds of me hitting a target on 2 choices. That's what skeptics are good at. I'd like to know the odds.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

That's a very large area. It's hard to say I hit a silver target from a picture many miles away isn't it. If you want to call that chance then I'll take my chances!why don't you calculate the area in red and tell me the odds of me hitting a target on 2 choices. That's what skeptics are good at. I'd like to know the odds.

Of course....you are banking on the credibility of that message board poster being truthful, and there actually was a hidden target to begin with and you actually guessed where it was hidden. Also noteable, is that you did not "hit" the targets...but, were way off.

Just saying......its called a "game" for a reason

[Tim Williams]

I did not win Jim. Red did. Take your time next time and read slowly.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

I did not win Jim. Red did. Take your time next time and read slowly.

Of course you didn't win.

It only goes to show how "good" your added tools/generator gimmick works

[Tim Williams]

Now Jim your being silly. I hit a silver target in a old building that the guy forgot about! It was in that old shed for 15 years. Come on say it's so.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

I finally got to watch Nat Geo's Secret History of Gold. It featured a segment on a fellow who used an early H3 (basically just dowsing rods, plus a little magic box) to look for 80 bars of gold in a cave. As usual, it was another complete failure, with accompanying alibis.

This is, of course, Chuck's #1 testimonial. Personally, I would have chosen one where gold was actually found.

Evidently....Chuck has omitted that testimonial on the new and improved (rhetorical) H3 Tec website.

As a matter of fact....lots of things have been omitted