Dell's complaints

[Dell Winders]

Why would you declare Dell's products "garbage" without apology, and then want to know more about them? Are doubts being raised about your credibility?
Dell

[goldfvr]

I have read this entire thread...

Carl, can you just tell Dale your sorry, so we can move on to hear his answer to your question...

Dale, can you answer Carl's last question, If I say I'm sorry on Carls behalf...

JFC, You guys are worse than my kids

[goldfvr]

I meant "Dell", not "Dale"

[Dell Winders]

Dell, if you want to discuss your products, please start a new thread. - Carl

Goldfvr, I already informed Carl, I am not interested in discussing my products, but yet he persists.

They are what I use. My customers have not provided any complaints, and if my customers are satisfied with the product that is all that matters to me.

As far as the units Carl refers to as "garbage", the circuits were designed by an EE, the units were built by an EE, and I paid the EE $40 an hour and supplied him residence for nearly 4 years. Admittedly, for me to think that would matter, makes me the idiot. Dell

[goldfvr]

I hire contract software engineers routinely for a lot more than 40/hr, sometimes they produce garbage, but most of the time they produce product
that has proven value/worth and that can be consistently/repeatedly demonstrated to deliver a desired result. This is because to get that result I have to give them specifications and some idea of what the desired result should be.

So what did you tell your EE about the expected outcome of his/her effort ?
in otherwords how did he/she know when they were finished ?
Otherwise, it sounds like a pretty sweet deal with open ended contract, no expectations of results and free room... Where do I sign up ?

[Carl-NC]

Michael, I think the conclusion of this discussion, is that Dell will refuse to claim that the DDL has the ability to detect gold, even when you add a signal generator to it. I suspect that if you do a really good randomized blind test with the device, you will probably find that, indeed, it cannot detect gold, or do anything else that's useful.

But, like I said before, if you're happy with the product, and what it's doing for you, then use it, and don't worry too much about what I think about it.

- Carl

[michael]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

Michael,... I suspect that if you do a really good randomized blind test with the device, you will probably find that, indeed, it cannot detect gold, or do anything else that's useful.

At different times we made tests and got the same results. But important scale is not You can constantly find gold (in 5.5 Khz) by DDL + transmitter, as Dell himself had mentioned;
" you may not necessarily find extracted golds, you may find every concentrated natural gold particles."
This Dell honesty made us not to dare dig everywhere get signal. If you are interested to know; the latest thing we found by DDL was a medium-size tomb with some very old ceramics (plates, bowls, small jar,) but no metal. Next night we checked there by our PI MD, but not even a beep. Anyway it's a real locator and as I told you can detect every kind of fields.
At least is good for the guys want to know LRLing is a true concept or as your-alleged is a self-deception. We got it is true.
Of course I should add due to our situation and conditions, we have to do our serious searches only at nights. As an aside, using MFDs like as MDs for most terrains is impossible especially when is composed with night hunting, doubles limitations. That's the main reason we desire to prepare a detector like as mineoro (If be just the same is being advertised) that can scan hectares × hectares. Then we will be able to hunt some fantastic and incredible objects. At present waiting for Hung test results report.

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

But, like I said before, if you're happy with the product, and what it's doing for you, then use it, and don't worry too much about what I think about it.

Why be worry???!!! Worry for what? does it endanger my business or work? It doesn't concern me & I never care or mind. I'm whether not its' producer or dealer.
I'm just an independent user, but as told before one strict user who not easily approves everything gets. We don’t sit at home and run our mind theories, rather go to hard fields and make some various tests and assessments. Carl, you should be worry for;
1-Depriving yourselves of an existing fact.
2- Doing unfair and prejudiced acts against one of your best compatriots, whereas he deserves to be adored.
Every thing I mentioned was only due to my conscience-sense nothing else. Of course I utterly agree with you about Lectrasearch, Electroscopes,… but not with Omnitrone. In Middle East unlike some MDs that are notorious omnitrone is a famous brand whereas the users don't even know producer name and most of times the people has not enough literacy , name it "Emetron" or " Emerton" and… by mistake.
Although I know here are some people have slandering habit . Past days slandered me as for mineoro personnel , maybe today as for Dell personnel and tomorrow…. You never know….

" Sony:....And morons are the strongest associates in any advertising business whatever...."

To rude...I would rather say "naives"....
Do not understand me wrong on this, like in the past...
Still, presented devices are scum products....since tested so many times by so many different peoples, and final reports are the same - non working at all!!!

regards

[J_Player]

I only try to find amazing wealth hidden from view. I read geotech forum to see if I can find help. I have no complaint or apology for anybody. I only want to know how to find amazing wealth from treasure detector. Now I ask from manufacturer of DDL machine Dell Winders: can your DDL machine show me where to find amazing wealth or hidden treasures? (please answer yes/no). This is very important to me because of sick mother need money for buy food... we be starving if not for bean-field behind back yard. Very urgent find treasure now. Please help! Does DDL have the ability to detect gold?

[Dell Winders]

No! The DDL does not discriminate. Dell

[Lost in NC]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

There is an obvious difference between the control box of a VR-800 and a Pro-GS that even an idiot can see.
An apology is in order. Dell

you are most likely correct dell only idiots can see the difference . hence, mostly idiots buy these machines without thinking of those famous woids ... Caveat Emptor.

[Dell Winders]

Another thread is needed called "Carl's nonsense & BS " For Carl, to post his made up facts extracted from his own imagination.

Is any one else here obsessed enough to want to own 20+ locators, and doesn't know how to use any of them?

Carl, I'll go as high as $40 to purchase the Raven from you, but I'm guessing your LRL obsession will not let you part with it unless you can make an even bigger profit on your $3 AM radio. Is Thomas, an EE, or tech and you thought you were going to reverse engineer his design?

Your history shows you will never allow the Raven, to work for you, but I think that with a couple of simple modifications I will be able to get the Raven, to work for me, and most any one else. Dell

[Kev]

Anyone who knowing sells, or promotes a pseudo electronic device, consisting of $40 worth of components and meagre R&D (evident by complexity or innovation) for $1600 is the lowest form of life.

Your unending character attacks Dell, on Carl’s integrity, unmistakably show that he has uncovered your game. I can assure you that Carl without question has the backing of any honest IEEE member, and in fact deserves a medal for all that he has been doing to expose this money making racket.

You Sir, by knowingly promoting this rubbish deserve only a prison cell, otherwise only pity for also having been duped.
Kev.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Kev.

Anyone who knowing sells, or promotes a pseudo electronic device, consisting of $40 worth of components and meagre R&D (evident by complexity or innovation) for $1600 is the lowest form of life.

Your unending character attacks Dell, on Carl’s integrity, unmistakably show that he has uncovered your game. I can assure you that Carl without question has the backing of any honest IEEE member, and in fact deserves a medal for all that he has been doing to expose this money making racket.

You Sir, by knowingly promoting this rubbish deserve only a prison cell, otherwise only pity for also having been duped.
Kev.

Your words above would be hylarious if not extremely worrying.
Man, now I believe in hypnosis.
You are the proof Carl/Randi really can hypnotize people to make them their disciples..
Thank god I'm imunne.

[Kev]

Originally Posted by hung

Your words above would be hylarious if not extremely worrying.
Man, now I believe in hypnosis.
You are the proof Carl/Randi really can hypnotize people to make them their disciples..
Thank god I'm imunne.

These are the thoughts of a dissipated mind.
Hung, can't you see that it draws into question everything you have ever said on this forum, its validity and its sanity.
Kev.

[hung]

Sorry Kev, I don't see it like that.
Dell is a respected researcher with years of experience on his back. I really feel it's a shame anyone can even suggest something nasty about him much less what you stated in your post above.
Although he builds and manufactures his LRLs, he was honest enough to come public and recognize the Mineoro detector worked. If he was dishonest, he could state the opposite due to competition.

Again, I urge people here and everywhere, not taking a single person's words for granted. There might be many working LRLs and concepts which really deserve experimenting. Otherwise it's better to erase Remote Sensing from this forum for good.
What purpose there is, if people just show up to discredit them?
Kev. I'm proud of my detector and I bet Dell is also regarding his own.
Unless you try both and make your own conclusions, don't get lost in conjectures as they will take you nowhere.

[Kev]

I've got nothing against people using LRL, and from Carl's comments nor does he. It would be fantastic if there was merit in these philosophies, but what makes me bloody wild is the rip offs, the exorbitant prices these outfits are charging for a few bits and pieces.

Sure the Mineoro units have a pretty box with some knobs on and a uC that makes it go beep in close proximity to metallic objects, but it's still not worth the price, you don't get the bang for buck you pay for. It has obviously not cost millions of $ in development, the complexity shows that, so there is no valid reason on earth to charge such inflated prices other than to fleece people of their money.

What is worse is the inflated claims of what these devices are meant to do, this is deception, once again tailored to relieve the gullible of their cash.

I've got nothing against people making and using home brew LRL, or buying realistically priced ones for that matter. I truly hope you find your pot of gold. But if you then start selling your contraption at over 1000% mark up, making claims that cannot be substantiated by logical reason, then you're nothing more than a con artist. :mad:


The truth sometimes hurts.
Kev.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Kev.

Anyone who knowing sells, or promotes a pseudo electronic device, consisting of $40 worth of components and meagre R&D (evident by complexity or innovation) for $1600 is the lowest form of life.

Your unending character attacks Dell, on Carl’s integrity, unmistakably show that he has uncovered your game. I can assure you that Carl without question has the backing of any honest IEEE member, and in fact deserves a medal for all that he has been doing to expose this money making racket.

You Sir, by knowingly promoting this rubbish deserve only a prison cell, otherwise only pity for also having been duped.
Kev.

Well said...well said

[hung]

Originally Posted by Kev.

I've got nothing against people using LRL, and from Carl's comments nor does he. It would be fantastic if there was merit in these philosophies, but what makes me bloody wild is the rip offs, the exorbitant prices these outfits are charging for a few bits and pieces.

Sure the Mineoro units have a pretty box with some knobs on and a uC that makes it go beep in close proximity to metallic objects, but it's still not worth the price, you don't get the bang for buck you pay for. It has obviously not cost millions of $ in development, the complexity shows that, so there is no valid reason on earth to charge such inflated prices other than to fleece people of their money.

What is worse is the inflated claims of what these devices are meant to do, this is deception, once again tailored to relieve the gullible of their cash.

I've got nothing against people making and using home brew LRL, or buying realistically priced ones for that matter. I truly hope you find your pot of gold. But if you then start selling your contraption at over 1000% mark up, making claims that cannot be substantiated by logical reason, then you're nothing more than a con artist. :mad:


The truth sometimes hurts.
Kev.

What about 50 years of researching the phenomena which allowed them to build a device which it is today? Isn't it worth something?

Pal, take it from a popular short story among us audio engineers. A Sony technician was called to repair a 3348 digital recorder once. When he was finished he said the culprit was just a tiny resistor that had burned. When asked how much he would charge he said 1,000 dollars. The facility owner almost collapsed. What kind of resistor could possibly cost him 1,000 dollars?
The repairman said: "Actually the resistor is 50 cents. I'm charging $999.50 for discovering which one was it."

[Kev]

Originally Posted by hung

What about 50 years of researching the phenomena which allowed them to build a device which it is today? Isn't it worth something?

It will be enlightening to see what 50 years of researching has produced once the reverse engineering has been completed.

Originally Posted by hung

Pal, take it from a popular short story among us audio engineers. A Sony technician was called to repair a 3348 digital recorder once. When he was finished he said the culprit was just a tiny resistor that had burned. When asked how much he would charge he said 1,000 dollars. The facility owner almost collapsed. What kind of resistor could possibly cost him 1,000 dollars?
The repairman said: "Actually the resistor is 50 cents. I'm charging $999.50 for discovering which one was it."

Are Sony aware of this?
Where their ECOs or service manuals consulted?
Seems to me it's just another example of unscrupulous people taking advantage of others for monetary gain.:mad:

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

What about 50 years of researching the phenomena which allowed them to build a device which it is today? Isn't it worth something?

Pal, take it from a popular short story among us audio engineers. A Sony technician was called to repair a 3348 digital recorder once. When he was finished he said the culprit was just a tiny resistor that had burned. When asked how much he would charge he said 1,000 dollars. The facility owner almost collapsed. What kind of resistor could possibly cost him 1,000 dollars?
The repairman said: "Actually the resistor is 50 cents. I'm charging $999.50 for discovering which one was it."

Actually, this is one of those modern myths, like the one about the woman who tried to dry her dog in the microwave.

The usual version is this one:
The manager of a manufacturing plant who, unable to solve a mechanical breakdown, sent for the retired engineer who had installed the machinery. Following a brief inspection, the engineer took a hammer and hit a pipe which did the trick. The next day the engineer submitted a bill for $1,000 to a horrified manager. Above the protests at the charge for a solitary hammer-blow the retired engineer explained, "only $1.00 of it is for hitting the pipe. The other $999 is for knowing where to hit it."

As far as LRLs are concerned - well that's another modern myth. But in this case the charge should only be $1.00, as the "knowing" part is nonexistent.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Kev.

It will be enlightening to see what 50 years of researching has produced once the reverse engineering has been completed.

Kev, looose your hope. It can be reverse engineered. There's essential information missing which makes it impossible to work. Anyone who states the opposite will be lying as he simply don't know about it.

Bt the time of the ionic electrostatic phenomenon discovery, Damasio meet NASA scientists and they agreed it was a new phenomenon which derserved further investigation. He is writing a book about it.

[hung]

Originally Posted by hung

It can be reverse engineered.

Sorry, it should read 'it can't be'

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

Sorry, it should read 'it can't be'

Did you know that you can edit a previous message several minutes after it was posted? Just click on the "Edit" button below the post.
I note that only one minute had elapsed between your original and corrected versions.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by hung

Bt the time of the ionic electrostatic phenomenon discovery, Damasio meet NASA scientists and they agreed it was a new phenomenon which derserved further investigation. He is writing a book about it.

LoL...about tossed my cookies reading this song/dance routine.

I assume that by the mere mention of "NASA scientists" we (the casual observer) should be impressed. Nope.

Damasio should take Carl Moreland’s 25K challenge and prove his scam/fraud device REALLY works.