Texas Treasure Show

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I learn the important from Alonso. He is the "heroe". I'm just a pupil.

If i may,
Don´t be.He may be the hero, but nobody needs to keep in the shadow.
It is often an excuse to avoid working

[Steve in MS]

Originally Posted by Esteban

No, is my cousin: Miguel Montania Grinok. He introduce me in 1979 telling that exist a device with wich you can found metal at certain distance. I'm in my avatar.

The 1981 pic is in... Texas!!! So, also this is a "Texas LRL show".

In Texas remain 1,000 witnesses, "electrized" by the findings.

Many pics in Texas in 2 trips, 1981 and 1985. I have posted many here.

Some pics was posted here, like the above in zip. Others with sequence of findings in rapidshare (today deleted).

Regards

Sorry for misidentifying you, I was comparing your avatar, I guess I saw the family resemblance.
Regards

[hung]

Yes Esteban, that was the TRUE Texas Treasure show.
Let the people have fun with the 'Vision' now, for a while.

Ben Gates: 'The secret lies in the Charlotte'.

No... 'The secret lies in South America!'

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Fred

If i may,
Don´t be.He may be the hero, but nobody needs to keep in the shadow.
It is often an excuse to avoid working

No excuses here, I working on it. All persons work with a base.

[Tim Williams]

The show good. Carl and I talked about different things including the H3tec. I walked out the H3tec talk. My opinion from what I can see it is a dowsing rod cased in a wind proof window. The unit cost is 10,500 and 500.00 for each element. Each is leased for a year. So if you have silver and gold it will cost you 1000.00 a year to use the unit. Training is 1500.00 dollars. A resent repair cost 1500.00. You also have to sign a disclosure at purchase.

If the unit was truly all electronic sensing the 2 people that were testing the units would have had no problem detecting the silver I hid. That was not the case. I am just getting back from a trip. Carl I hope everything went well moving and your new job works out.

Tim

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

My opinion from what I can see it is a dowsing rod cased in a wind proof window. The unit cost is 10,500 and 500.00 for each element. Each is leased for a year. So if you have silver and gold it will cost you 1000.00 a year to use the unit. Training is 1500.00 dollars. A resent repair cost 1500.00. You also have to sign a disclosure at purchase.

If the unit was truly all electronic sensing the 2 people that were testing the units would have had no problem detecting the silver I hid. That was not the case.

Dang... This sounds hot! I want one.... but the cost is kinda high.

Hmmm... I think I can afford a "Mr. Stick". I wonder if I should spring for the $99.99 to get one...
Think so?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Dang... This sounds hot! I want one.... but the cost is kinda high.

Hmmm... I think I can afford a "Mr. Stick". I wonder if I should spring for the $99.99 to get one...
Think so?

Best wishes,
J_P

Yeah... go for the Mr. Stick.............. errrrrrrrrr.. wait a minute, maybe you should go for one of Tim's LRLs that comes with a "box of frequencies" and a rings theory to explain away your location failures.

[H3 Tec]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

Just got back from the Texas Treasure Show. I finally got to meet Tim Williams, and chatted with him several times. Really nice guy. He had his Geo-Loggers on display, and gave an outside demo which I missed because I got tied up in the White's booth.

H3Tec was also there, with their LRL. It is definitely a dowsing rod, no doubt about that. Sorry Dell, the Duck Criterion wins again. Listened to their seminar, their operational claims are the same ol' tired MFD-style atomic resonance nonsense, all fabricated.

When I pulled in Sunday morning, 2 fellows were in an adjacent field so I walked out to see how they were doing. They were searching for a hidden silver coin (the units were "programmed" for silver). I made sure they scanned past me, because I was carrying a 10-ounce silver bar. They had no idea. What a piece of garbage. I'm told that someone at the show actually bought one for $10,000, so the H3Tec was at least successful in locating a nice chunk of cash.

Finally, I saw Mike Healey's new dowsing rod at a booth. Sorry Mike, it looks kinda silly, you should include a tin-foil hat with it.

- Carl

Hi Carl,

I'm not doubting what you believe, however I'm very sure the statements are slanderous and outright mean. If you were interested in debunking our technology you should have come to us and talked. We would be more than happy to give you a full demonstration of our products as well as a quick training session. This is not dousing, at least as far as Einstein believed dowsing worked. We had a similar experience with the U. S. army, however after using our detection technology they wanted them in the middle east where they are protecting the forward operating bases for incoming LED's and VBIED's.

Anytime you would like to understand more how this works, we would be happy to show you. It's very poor judgment to tell people you are an expert in this technology and find it not to work.

Thanks for your time and hope you are well.

Regards,

H3 Tec

[H3 Tec]

Originally Posted by Tim Williams

The show good. Carl and I talked about different things including the H3tec. I walked out the H3tec talk. My opinion from what I can see it is a dowsing rod cased in a wind proof window. The unit cost is 10,500 and 500.00 for each element. Each is leased for a year. So if you have silver and gold it will cost you 1000.00 a year to use the unit. Training is 1500.00 dollars. A resent repair cost 1500.00. You also have to sign a disclosure at purchase.

If the unit was truly all electronic sensing the 2 people that were testing the units would have had no problem detecting the silver I hid. That was not the case. I am just getting back from a trip. Carl I hope everything went well moving and your new job works out.

Tim

I'm am completely amazed Tim... I guess the blessings were just B.S. Sorry you took no time to understand or work with the technology. Not my fault I was there, and wanted to work with you.

[H3 Tec]

Carl,

Another thing to think about is what silver did you and Tim have, and what isotope was the silver? I'm pretty sure silver isn't silver, there is a broad range of isotopes correlated with silver, maybe you should find a PhD chemist and have him/her give you a quick course in the different isotope ranges of silver.

Just a thought.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by H3 Tec

.....We had a similar experience with the U. S. army, however after using our detection technology they wanted them in the middle east where they are protecting the forward operating bases for incoming LED's and VBIED's.

Regards,

H3 Tec

OMG!!!!!!

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/pubs-sum/178913.htm

Please read pages 71-72 of the above report from the US Department of Justice. View the Adobe File, it is easier to find the subject pages.

[H3 Tec]

we are working with local city government for meth detection and law enforcement as well as the intermountain Bomb Squad, compromised of Sheriff, FBI, ATF... etc.
our big contracts are with oil work.

[Tim Williams]

H3tec Doesn't not the H3tec have a free moving rod? If so it is a dowsing rod. I'm not trying to start anything here just stating what I saw. They had a pound of US silver. I'm not knocking the H3tec just stating what I heard in the meeting.

Tim

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by H3 Tec

I'm not doubting what you believe, however I'm very sure the statements are slanderous and outright mean.

Only if my statements are false, which they are not.

If you were interested in debunking our technology you should have come to us and talked.

Oh, I did do that. The fellow I talked to started shoveling out all sorts of pseudo-scientific nonsense, which might work on the average technically illiterate wanna-be treasure hunter (I watched them swallowing it all the way to the sinker in your seminar), but not with me. When I told him he was shoveling nonsense, he switched gears and told me how the US government was buying units... as if I would believe the guv'ment to be the hallmark of purchasing wisdom.

We would be more than happy to give you a full demonstration of our products as well as a quick training session.

Well, I just might take you up on that. Would you do the demonstration under randomized double-blind conditions?

This is not dousing, at least as far as Einstein believed dowsing worked.

What makes you think Einstein believed dowsing works? And what makes you think your dowsing rod isn't a dowsing rod?

We had a similar experience with the U. S. army, however after using our detection technology they wanted them in the middle east where they are protecting the forward operating bases for incoming LED's and VBIED's.

Who can I contact to validate this claim?

Another thing to think about is what silver did you and Tim have, and what isotope was the silver? I'm pretty sure silver isn't silver, there is a broad range of isotopes correlated with silver, maybe you should find a PhD chemist and have him/her give you a quick course in the different isotope ranges of silver.

Well, it didn't take long to trot out the alibis. I'll add this one to my long list of El-Ar-El excuses for failure.

- Carl

[Tim Williams]

For those that do not know about H3tec here is some reading.

http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/20...on-google-deal

Tim

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by H3 Tec

Anytime you would like to understand more how this works, we would be happy to show you. It's very poor judgment to tell people you are an expert in this technology and find it not to work.

This is a good idea. Show us all how it works.

You are posting in the biggest tech-oriented treasure machine forum on the planet. All eyes are watching to see what the engineers and tech people say and think here. We have heard an opinion by some people who saw your H3 Tech machine live, but this is only one side of the story. After reading your page, I am undecided in what to believe. Theoretically, it could be possible for your machine to work on the principle that you alluded to several times. But the real proof is in a live test to see if it works. If any other readers have read your page, then I suspect there are others who are undecided on whether your machine works or not.

On your web page, we see several claims you make about the details of how the H3 Tek works. You also posted some information to the effect that you had 100% positive results returned from others who tested your treasure locator. You have posted a summary of your involvement in the National Geographic documentary about gold, where you say "A small amount of gold was hidden in a location known to only one person. Then one of the team members was given an H3 device and told to go find the gold. It took all of about five minutes for the H3 technology to find it, buried out in a 50-acre field". (from: http://www.h3tec.com/faq.html ).
The theory seems plausible, and the claims of a working LRL seem too good to be true.

So the only questions remaining are:
1. Does it work well enough to demonstrate in front of the people who read this forum?
2. Will it find treasure for anyone who uses it according to the instructions?
3. Can it pass a double blind test?

So far, nobody who produces or uses a long range locator has been able to pass a double blind test and successfully show the location of a hidden treasure item 7 times out of 10 tries. Can the H3 Tec do this? Can it do something else useful to treasure hunters?

If so, tell us about it. Why not skip the hype and stories of amazed witnesses, and simply hold a demonstration for the people who read this forum. If we see it doing what you say is can do in front of us live, then who could complain that it does not work? Show us all how it can pass a double blind test. Show us it finding a hidden coin in a 50 acre field. If you want, tell us more about how it works. This sounds like a fascinating principle of operation.

Also, if it can correctly identify which of 10 locations the gold or silver has been hidden 7 times out of 10 tries from more than 10 feet distance, then take Carl's challenge for $25,000. We all including Car-NC are anxious to see some long-range locator pass this test. If the H3 Tec can pass this test, then the prize money will be only a small part of the money that will be coming your way. You can expect a fortune in sales orders to be flooding your email address, judging by the amount of readers who check into this forum regularly.

I also have an open invitation to anyone who can demonstrate their long range locator finding treasure in front of me live. I will videotape the demonstration and take photos, then post an article describing the demonstration on a professional web page with links to all the major treasure forums including this one. If I am impressed with the results, I may even buy an H3 Tec locator.

Best wishes,
J_P

[okantex]

Hi Everybody ,
I am agreee with J Player about blind test.

but I also wonder , will we have isotop problem in the field.,
we generally look for gold .and it has several compositions in production like 18k , 22k etc. when the time of waiting underground is added , it will have really different degrees ,cause of decration.
So, will the machine work or wait until it detects something delicious for itself.??? we do not want a machine which has attitudes like choosing between gold materials....

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by okantex

but I also wonder , will we have isotop problem in the field.,

Hi okanex,
There are two isotope problems. One, Carl's $25,000 challenge prohibits isotope machines. However, Carl has already seen the H3 Tec and stated that it is a dowsing machine, so there no problem in entering it into his challenge.

Now, supposing Carl might be wrong about the H3 Tec, and it really needs to recognize isotopes. Then there still is not a problem with the alloys of gold. Gold is gold, no matter what it is alloyed with. There is only one stable nuclide of gold which is almost always used for the purposes of isotope identification -- 79Au196. Regardless of the other non-gold impurities, this isotope will always ring true to a detector that is able to recognize it. However, we don't know for sure that the H3 Tec is looking for this nuclide, so it would be nice to have some more explanation from the H3 Tec people to see if there are indeed problems in recognizing gold.

This reminds me ... there is still an annoying question of why the H3 Tec failed to notice the silver bar in Carl's pocket when he walked in front of it. Isn't this the same kind of silver bar that a treasure hunter would like his treasure machine to locate when looking for treasure?
Hmmmm....

Best wishes,
J_P

[maimoune]

before giving any judgment, it must be understood
how H3 tec treasure work ,and follow a course
basic training .
Abderraouf

[H3 Tec]

yes it has a rod, however it is not free moving when the device is turned on. You should be careful to spread ill will, I'm pretty sure you don't understand the H3 nor the culture of making sure what you say is truth. I wish you would have taken as much time with us as you did with the people that were saying it did not work. Anytime you want to set up a test as the we did at Chemir to certify our claims, I would be more than happy to do so. It could be a ton of U.S. silver, if the isotope was silver 107, and they were looking for silver 109, they would miss it, because it wasn't looking for silver 109. We set the target to a specific atomic signature, and weight from the specific element mass, type, and isotopes. It's not a very simple process so I expect some push back from everyone that doesn't have an advanced Chemistry, physics, and engineering background. I'm not being arrogant it's is what it is. With our patents in place extensive claim work had to be done in order to satisfy the tests of the U.S. patent attorneys.
Anytime you would like to participate, I would love to show you and everyone else the H3 and how it actually works.

[H3 Tec]

you can rant all you want, and use your "intelligence" to say what you will. No one came to me at the show and asked me how the H3 worked, and if they could have a demonstration.

Funny thing you use this forum, bravery and up front honesty doesn't seem to be your hallmark.

Regards

[H3 Tec]

Yes, Yes, and Yes to all those questions. It had to pass a double blind test for clams certifications.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by H3 Tec

Carl,

Another thing to think about is what silver did you and Tim have, and what isotope was the silver? I'm pretty sure silver isn't silver, there is a broad range of isotopes correlated with silver, maybe you should find a PhD chemist and have him/her give you a quick course in the different isotope ranges of silver.

Just a thought.

For example, abundance of both main silver and copper isotopes like showed in these tables? (fragment)

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by H3 Tec

Anytime you want to set up a test as the we did at Chemir to certify our claims, I would be more than happy to do so.

From the video I saw, this was not done in a randomized double-blind fashion, and so is worthless. My question remains unanswered:

Would you do the demonstration under randomized double-blind conditions?

...so I expect some push back from everyone that doesn't have an advanced Chemistry, physics, and engineering background.

Do you have an advanced Chemistry, physics, and engineering background? As in any real degrees?

With our patents in place extensive claim work had to be done in order to satisfy the tests of the U.S. patent attorneys.

You're talking to someone who has 16 patents. Patent attorneys don't require "tests," so now I know you're blowing smoke. In fact, you don't need to have anything physically working at all, and you never need to personally meet a patent attorney or an examiner. Just write up some true or false claims, mail 'em in, and you can get a patent. USPTO examiners are grossly overloaded and allow all sorts of nonsense to go unchecked.

I also recall the fellow at the booth telling me that you are working with one or more scientists at universities on your "technology" but, of course, he didn't know who they were. Perhaps when you tell me who I can contact in the U.S. Army you can tell me who these scientists are. I would like to follow up on these claims, as well as see you perform a live double-blind demonstration.

I'm eager, let's get started!

- Carl

[H3 Tec]

Something like that. I have a lot of charts also. I was referring to silver, not copper, but that's just a small fact when we were talking about silver. I'm sure I'm boring you. Because that's exactly what you are doing to me.