How can comprobe if LRL rods works

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...,231148.0.html

Here is an example of MENTAL Discrimination thru Dowsing.

Does Diamond, generate a detectable "field"?
Absolutely!

Absolutely NOT!!! is the truth of the matter. Please site a validated scientific reference to support your statement! Without a reference, your baseless assertion must be relegated to the category of "wish science" and viewed as another feeble attempt to backdoor-advertise your own scam dowsing contraptions.

Can Diamond be discriminated to mechanically with a traceable Signal line with the aid of Frequency Discrimination {MFD) ?
Absolutely! The chemical Element is "carbon", and a proper modification of the frequency will exclude Coal, Charcoal, and Hydro-Carbons.

Absolutely NOT!!! is the truth of the matter. Please site a validated scientific reference to support your statement! Without a reference, your baseless assertion must be relegated to the category of "wish science" and viewed as another feeble attempt to backdoor-advertise your own scam dowsing contraptions. Further, so-called "signal lines" are a figment of your imagination, right along with the term molecular frequency discrimination.

Can Diamond be Discriminated to with the physics employed in Harmonic Induction.
Absolutely! It happens continually in nature, and it is a part of the Physics of Earth science. Dell

Absolutely NOT!!! is the truth of the matter. Please site a validated scientific reference to support your statement! Without a reference, your baseless assertion must be relegated to the category of "wish science" and viewed as another feeble attempt to backdoor-advertise your own scam dowsing contraptions. In the real world, there is no such thing as harmonic induction as you explain it; it does not happen continually in nature and your reference to Physics of Earth Science is nothing more than your own brand of twisted pseudo science, explained in your own convoluted way to suit your own marketing agenda.

None of your pseudo (or wish) science statements are fooling anyone who possess even a grade-school science background. This leaves a very small faction of individuals who are perhaps less educated and more gullible than yourself for you to prey on.

[Fred]

Can lead be changed into gold ?absolutely!
Can a piece of PVC tube be sold $1000? absolutely!
Can i smell BS 5000km away? Absolutely!
you see, nothing is impossible.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Fred

Can lead be changed into gold ?absolutely!
Can a piece of PVC tube be sold $1000? absolutely!
Can i smell BS 5000km away? Absolutely!
you see, nothing is impossible.

Absolutely!

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK."

[Max]

So the rods don't work as claimed !?

Well... I saw some people find 50cmx50cm area with target... from far, more than 30meters also.... in open field, few metal buried...

Then use conventional MD to pinpoint.

In one of these places I run one of my old vlfs and found very few metal stuff... they use rods and locate rusted stuff! unbelivable!

I don't know about... maybe something exist for real , tested myself and found no usefulness in rods... but in their hands things are different.

But, sure, don't make any double blind test...

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Max

So the rods don't work as claimed !?

Well... I saw some people find 50cmx50cm area with target... from far, more than 30meters also.... in open field, few metal buried...

Then use conventional MD to pinpoint.

In one of these places I run one of my old vlfs and found very few metal stuff... they use rods and locate rusted stuff! unbelivable!

I don't know about... maybe something exist for real , tested myself and found no usefulness in rods... but in their hands things are different.

But, sure, don't make any double blind test...

Kind regards,
Max

Careful ... otherwise you'll soon start believing that a calculator glued on a plastic box on top of a swivel handle can find gold.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

http://knouzm.net/content/view/333/98/lang,en/

Hmmm ... this looks like some familiar wallet-mining.

Naaah.. That one is as old as your grandma.

This one here is the latest state of the art...

[Dell Winders]

MADE IN USA?

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

MADE IN USA?

No - made in fairyland.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

MADE IN USA?

Yes Dell. Knouzm has engineers and inventors from different countries working for them in the development of LRLs.
Some are 'made' in USA, Argentina, Mexico, etc.
It seems they also reverse engineer some original devices, understand the principles involved and enhance them to a new device.

At least they seem to reverse engineer LRLs better than the skepthics here, don't you think?

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by hung

Yes Dell. Knouzm has engineers and inventors from different countries working for them in the development of LRLs.
Some are 'made' in USA, Argentina, Mexico, etc.
It seems they also reverse engineer some original devices, understand the principles involved and enhance them to a new device.

At least they seem to reverse engineer LRLs better than the skepthics here, don't you think?

To reverse-engineer something there would first have to be a valid engineering principle to study, and second, the end product of the reverse-engineering would usually be something that would be worth the effort.

The product you make reference to sadly fails on both counts.

....let the debunkering begin whenever you are ready

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

"Should exist injustice and untruths towards working LRLs, I'll show up to debunker the big mouths"

Was that the start of the debunkering?

We are all waiting...

[Dell Winders]

Hung, It says the KM 5000 is made in the USA? Is it manufactured by Mineoro, for Knozum, or is it a reverse engineered copy cat made in the USA?

According to Carl, these types of products are never designed, or manufactured by Electronic engineers, and Carl, or this forum does not name, or attack individuals of his own Profession. Electronics people have been copying and marketing my Frequency Discrimination concept since 1987, using their electronic degrees to justify high prices to Rip off trusting consumers.

This Tech forum is used as a cover up, to draw attention away from Electronics people profiteering from fraudulent, and mis-leading advertising of their products and directed toward those of us who try to provide the truth.

Get real folks! If a FD product uses a pair of Rods, and is retail priced more than $1,000, and it is manufactured by an Electronic Engineer, or tech, don't even consider it. You are going to get ripped off. Run! Dell

[Max]

Originally Posted by hung

Yes Dell. Knouzm has engineers and inventors from different countries working for them in the development of LRLs.
Some are 'made' in USA, Argentina, Mexico, etc.
It seems they also reverse engineer some original devices, understand the principles involved and enhance them to a new device.

At least they seem to reverse engineer LRLs better than the skepthics here, don't you think?

Not Paraguay too ?

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

According to Carl, these types of products are never designed, or manufactured by Electronic engineers, and Carl, or this forum does not name, or attack individuals of his own Profession. Electronics people have been copying and marketing my Frequency Discrimination concept since 1987, using their electronic degrees to justify high prices to Rip off trusting consumers.

This Tech forum is used as a cover up, to draw attention away from Electronics people profiteering from fraudulent, and mis-leading advertising of their products and directed toward those of us who try to provide the truth.

Your attempts at mis-direction are extremely poor to say the least.
Some might even say "pathetic".

If you believe for one minute that anyone subscribes to your insinuations, about this forum operating as a cover-up for electronic engineers acting as wallet-miners, then you are sadly mistaken, misguided, or both. In reality, no-one is copying your non-working hot-glued contraptions, or selling them at a rip-off price. Your accusations are a joke.

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Get real folks! If a FD product uses a pair of Rods, and is retail priced more than $1,000, and it is manufactured by an Electronic Engineer, or tech, don't even consider it. You are going to get ripped off. Run! Dell

In other words ... you can get ripped off for less by going directly to Dell.
Or did I interpret that incorrectly?

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK."

[Dell Winders]

Your attempts at mis-direction are extremely poor to say the least.
Some might even say "pathetic".

If you believe for one minute that anyone subscribes to your insinuations, about this forum operating as a cover-up for electronic engineers acting as wallet-miners, then you are sadly mistaken, misguided, or both. In reality, no-one is copying your non-working hot-glued contraptions, or selling them at a rip-off price. Your accusations are a joke.

Pathetic is your acts of denial. You sound just like Carl.

Almost all the people who are manufacturing LRL & MFD, are electronics people. There are at least 30 of their products on the market, that use L-Rods, and being sold as technology at rip-off prices.

Give yourself a reality check. Show me where on this forum you are naming names, products, and attacking fellow electronics people?

You make no effort to protect consumers from people of your own profession. You are covering up for them. You are running a skeptic scam.

I have never used hot glue in any product I build. That's a fact, so you are also a liar. Dell

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Pathetic is your acts of denial. You sound just like Carl.

Almost all the people who are manufacturing LRL & MFD, are electronics people. There are at least 30 of their products on the market, that use L-Rods, and being sold as technology at rip-off prices.

Give yourself a reality check. Show me where on this forum you are naming names, products, and attacking fellow electronics people?

Do any of these manufacturer's come here and partake in accusations and name calling?
Ranger Tell tried once, but has wisely stayed away since his last kicking.

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

You make no effort to protect consumers from people of your own profession. You are covering up for them. You are running a skeptic scam.

As I said previously, your attempts at mis-direction are poor to say the least. No-one is taking you seriously ..... and never will.

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

I have never used hot glue in any product I build. That's a fact, so you are also a liar. Dell

OK - what's this then?

The VR-800 was once one of Dell System's top models. Although Dell Winders no longer sells it (he does have other LRLs, though), the VR-series is still made by Vernon Rose and sold by Kellyco.

As they say, "Put that in your pipe and smoke it".

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Do any of these manufacturer's come here and partake in accusations and name calling?
Ranger Tell tried once, but has wisely stayed away since his last kicking.



As I said previously, your attempts at mis-direction are poor to say the least. No-one is taking you seriously ..... and never will.


OK - what's this then?

The VR-800 was once one of Dell System's top models. Although Dell Winders no longer sells it (he does have other LRLs, though), the VR-series is still made by Vernon Rose and sold by Kellyco.

As they say, "Put that in your pipe and smoke it".

Dell has always had a very short memory, especially when it comes to remembering what he posted just a few hours in the past. And his hot-glue gun isn't even cooled off yet, and already he is denying he ever manufactured, or had manufactured, a contraption that was filled with hot-glue and do-nothing parts. Maybe the pictures you just posted will jog his failing memory. But I doubt it, because in the past if he can't remember, he just makes up a whole new batch of BS in the hope that you will forget what the last batch was all about.

[Dell Winders]

Again, I had nothing to do with the design or manufacture of the product you show in your photos, nor was it ever manufactured for me. I don't take credit for someone else work.

You are still lieing and you can't show where I ever used hot glue in any product that I ever built. I don't have any need to use hot glue in my products.

Your continued lies about me are making it obvious you are running a scam to divert attention away from electronics people manufacturing these products and ripping off consumers with high prices to justify their degrees.

You show yourself as examples of "Pretend" Science at it's worst. Dell

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Again, I had nothing to do with the design or manufacture of the product you show in your photos, nor was it ever manufactured for me. I don't take credit for someone else work.

You are responsible for what you sell, even if manufactured by someone else.
And i wouldn´t call this "taking credit"

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Your continued lies about me are making it obvious you are running a scam to divert attention away from electronics people manufacturing these products and ripping off consumers with high prices to justify their degrees.Dell

REAL electronic people would never sell products build like this to rip off people : No EE could make such a lousy job and expect people to believe such a nonsense circuit will ever work.
I find ridiculous that YOU try to sell the crap saying the EE are doing it.
Sounds like a desesperate and patethic counter attack.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Again, I had nothing to do with the design or manufacture of the product you show in your photos, nor was it ever manufactured for me. I don't take credit for someone else work.

In other words ... you are denying that this is true ->

Mr. Winders primary response is that he was merely a dealer for another party who manufactured the device, and blamed the other party for all of the advertising claims that were shown to be false. I cannot confirm this because I don't have contact information for the other person - I have asked Mr. Winders and others for a phone number but have been refused. However, in reviewing everything I have, I find only the name "Dell Systems" on the components, the manuals, and the advertisements. In my opinion, it is prudent for anyone who labels something as their own to thoroughly understand what it is and does, and to make sure all claims are factual. Mr. Winders should take full responsibility for the products he sold under his label.


In case your selective memory is still at work, you can see the original report here -> http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/page...0/addendum.dat
and also the original hot-glue pictures here -> http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/page...r800/index.dat

As you can clearly see (even without a finally tuned dowsing ideomotor response ) the front panel is marked "DELL". Or are you claiming that this was sold by Dell Computers?

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

You are still lieing and you can't show where I ever used hot glue in any product that I ever built. I don't have any need to use hot glue in my products.

The facts say otherwise, and the photos speak for themselves.

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Your continued lies about me are making it obvious you are running a scam to divert attention away from electronics people manufacturing these products and ripping off consumers with high prices to justify their degrees.

Misdirection is not your forte. I would advise quitting now before the hole gets any bigger.

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

You show yourself as examples of "Pretend" Science at it's worst. Dell

For someone who has wallowed in pseudo-scientific claptrap, for more years than anyone cares to remember, that is a sad statement. Again, your attempts at misdirection need some serious work.

Originally Posted by Fred

You are responsible for what you sell, even if manufactured by someone else.
And i wouldn´t call this "taking credit"

Dell's hlllbilly education denies him the ability to understand. your statement. He believes that ignorance of the internals of these scam devices renders him immune to the consequences.

Originally Posted by Fred

REAL electronic people would never sell products build like this to rip off people : No EE could make such a lousy job and expect people to believe such a nonsense circuit will ever work.
I find ridiculous that YOU try to sell the crap saying the EE are doing it.
Sounds like a desesperate and patethic counter attack.

And to make things even more pathetic, Dell actually comes here of his own free will to make these ridiculous statements. Anyone would think we have chased him around the internet in an attempt to discredit his already tarnished reputation. My suspicion is that this is one of the few remaining technical forums where he has not yet been banned.

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK."

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Again, I had nothing to do with the design or manufacture of the product you show in your photos, nor was it ever manufactured for me. I don't take credit for someone else work.

Oh really....
So you only sold it with your Dell Omnitron label on it to unsuspecting customers?
Were they supposed to believe it is your product because you sold it with your brand name? Or were they supposed to believe it was some evil product made by an EE using hot melt glue?

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Give yourself a reality check. Show me where on this forum you are naming names, products, and attacking fellow electronics people?

Haven't we told the real story about Dell Winders and his shady dealings with Vernon Rose in this forum? You haven't read the story about selling this junk to your customers with your own Omnitron label on it, that did not even work to find treasure for you?
You want us to believe you never read this? ---> http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=73299

Tell us Dell, Who did design and manufacture the Dell VR 800 Omnitron System II anomaly qualifier?
Didn't you sell non-working junk electronic LRLs designed by an EE.
Wasn't it an EE named Vernon Rose?

Vernon Rose was a TV repairman trained at the Motorola school to repair televisions. When people were becoming interested in long range metal detectors, Vernon Rose made a simple signal generator with a 555 timer and frequency adjustment pots as seen in the photos of the VR-800. There was no power amplifier. A handheld receiver utilizing a coil was carried out in front of where the transmitter was set up with the intent to find a change in received signal when near a treasure. The VR-800 was shown to be a non-working device by Carl's report here: http://geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/co...r800/index.dat

OK, Dell,
I showed you where Carl and I named names, products, and electronics people.
Now it's your turn:

1. Take a close look at the label on the picture below: Whose trademark do you see on the electronic LRL? Is it the Dell Omnitron label?
2. Isn't it true that you sold the electronic LRL shown in the picture with the Dell V.R. 800 Omnitron label on it?
3. Isn't it true that Vernon Rose designed and built these electronic LRLs that you sold for well over a couple thousand dollars?
4. Isn't it true that I named Vernon Rose as the person who manufactured this electronic junk LRL?
5. Isn't it true that Carl posted a complete expose and report on the electronic LRL designed and built by Vernon Rose?
6. Isn't it outright fraud to sell merchandise with your label on it that you know doesn't work?

It seems that the claims Dell just posted in his post above are all false.
The appearance is that Dell uses "pretend truth" when he makes statements in this forum.
Maybe he pretends that he never lies.

Best wishes.
J_P

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

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And to make things even more pathetic, Dell actually comes here of his own free will to make these ridiculous statements. Anyone would think we have chased him around the internet in an attempt to discredit his already tarnished reputation. My suspicion is that this is one of the few remaining technical forums where he has not yet been banned.

"WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CANNOT BE MADE TO WORK."

Tarnished is putting it mildly, I can think of a few other terms to describe Wallet-miners.

Yes, he comes here and spews his BS by his own choice. I have never understood what his reasoning is, except it amounts to Free Advertising for himself. It would be different if he actually would answer the questions put to him, or if his remarks actually helped his case - but they don't, and never have. He constantly is here; shooting himself in the foot, and then blaming all the others here for his own predicament and the hole that he has dug himself. You would think that just by the mere fact that no other LRL Wallet-miner comes here and carries on the way he does; that he would see the fallacy of his methods - but he obviously does not fall to the obvious.

I'd say this is the ONLY technical forum where he has not been banned, but it's not for lack of trying.

[detectoman]

aqui el unico que puede convencer a los escepticos es esteban, esteban estos incredulos necesitan ver cada video de tus hallazgos, may be they understand
jajaj yo not post i not find any
videos pa que se convenzan urgen ya basta de guacamayeo, ellos aceptaran? no lo se
videos de finds, videos morgan que vean como se saca el coin

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Again, I had nothing to do with the design or manufacture of the product you show in your photos, nor was it ever manufactured for me. I don't take credit for someone else work.

You are still lieing and you can't show where I ever used hot glue in any product that I ever built. I don't have any need to use hot glue in my products.

Your continued lies about me are making it obvious you are running a scam to divert attention away from electronics people manufacturing these products and ripping off consumers with high prices to justify their degrees.

You show yourself as examples of "Pretend" Science at it's worst. Dell

Dell, what is exactly the truth?
1. Did Vernon Rose build his electronic LRLs before your Randi test like you said or not?
2. If you did not use anything made by Vernon Rose to perform the Randi test, exactly what instruments did you use, Dell?
3. Did you sell thousands of dollars worth of VR-800 LRLs made by Vernell Electronics with your Dell Systems (tm) label or not?
4. What exactly were your hidden dealings with Vernon Rose and Vernell Electronics? What is the real reason you had Dell System labels on those Vernell LRLs you sold? Why did you sell them with your label, then refuse to take responsiblilty for the contents inside the box?
5. What proof do you have that would stand up in a court of law to prove Randi lied about you failing his test?
6. Why don't you go back and accept Randi's continued offer to you to claim his $1million? With today's technology, you could have a crowd of witnesses with inexpensive video cameras rolling to prove what really happens in a double blind test.

[Dell Winders]

You are responsible for what you sell, even if manufactured by someone else.
And i wouldn´t call this "taking credit"

Fred, with that mentality,you would make a good cosmetic salesman. Taking full responsibility for someone else's beauty product and personally guaranteeing every woman who purchased from you would become beautiful.

I was also a Whites, metal detector dealer. They have a Factory Warranty. Vernell, had a factory warranty. I am not responsible for the way White's manufacture their detectors, nor am I responsible for the way Vernell, manufactures their detectors. I am, and do accept full responsibility for the products I build, and the products I sold that I hired an EE to build for me.

In both cases I was a member of the Better Business Bureau, at considerable cost, and Chamber of Commerce, so my customers would have assistance to resolve any grievances they might have about my business practices, or the products I sold. There are none. They also have access to the Florida State attorney's office. Yes, there were several instances when when a product was damaged or broke after the factory warranty expired that I personally paid for the repairs, or replacement, including shipping both ways.

Fred, your complaints are unfounded, and unwarranted.

KLONDIKE, You are rehashing the same old questions that have already been answered. My answers haven't changed.

Regarding the reason for "Dell' on the VR-800 label, I think it is printed T.M. not "tm". You will have to contact Vernon Rose, for an explanation. I cannot speak for him. Just as I had nothing to do with the manufacture, I had nothing to do with the VR-800 label.

Klondike, you were invited to my house to learn for your self. You have no reason for animosity, unless it's just plain meanness.

Again, the accusation that I use hot glue in the products I build is a lie.
The inference that I used a Vernell product in the Randi test is a lie.

You cannot justify lies with repeating asinine questions.

Bottom line: I have asked for years for skeptics to bring forward any legitimate customer with complaints about any products I build, that substanstiate your accusations. You refuse! Why? I can tell you, It's because there are none.

Pathetic are your acts of denial.

Almost all the people who are manufacturing LRL & MFD, are electronics people. There are at least 30 of their products on the market, that use L-Rods, and being sold as technology at rip-off prices.

Give yourself a reality check. Show me where on this forum where you are naming names, products, and attacking fellow electronics people?

You make no effort to protect consumers from people of your own profession. You are covering up for them. You are running a skeptic scam.

I have never used hot glue in any product I build. That's a fact, so you are also a liar.

You people are not interested in fact, or truth, you are nothing more than gossip mongers reveling in your own ignorance. Dell