A patent to detect substances by infrared like Esteban used.

[ivconic]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Nickels in the USA are made from stainless steel.
But I am talking about any metal. If the metal is corroding, then it is releasing ions by definition. Corrosion is an ionic chemical process. Even stainless steel corrodes to some small degree. I can show you about 5 pounds of stainless steel knives and forks I dug that are corroded enough to have holes through them. But it all depends on the soil and how long they were corroding. Much faster corrosion happens to copper and zinc based metals, while gold is one of the slowest. But the release of ions from metal surface is not limited to coins. It also happens with buried pipes, lost jewelry and metal buttons and ornaments and other metal trash, as well as natural metal deposits and ores.

Maybe you didn't understand me about what I didn't detect. I have detected buried metals using a metal detector that was held above the buried metal, that seemed to have an unusually strong signal which returned to the normal expected signal after I dug them. This only happened a couple of times.

What I did not see is any pistol type detector or zahori type pistol detect what Esteban describes as the "phenomenon" around a buried metal from more than about a half meter distance measured from the side of where the supposed "phenomenon" is. In fact I don't know exactly what a "phenomenon cloud" is other than what Esteban described as being a cloud area around a buried metal that seems to be electric/magnetic.

Best wishes,
J_P

Ah that !!!!

You are not the only one! Me too!

[ivconic]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I explain millions times. When you put oscillator near item, also you're killed the phenomenon. So, common MD can't show extreme difference only 1/3 more... But pistol is not an aggression to the environment. Also coil of common MD is more near to soil, so this robs the sensitivity. How can you speak of are lies if you do not have experience in this?

So..i see!
Than you are supporting case B ? Right?
Case where single coin IS "ABLE" to produce phenomena to cover large area, to come out to soil surface and to be detectable with IR pistol? Right?

Other words; you are saying: 2cm diamm coin is able to produce 1 meter diamm phenomena?

Is that what you are claiming here Esteban?

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by ivconic

So..i see!
Than you are supporting case B ? Right?
Case where single coin IS ABLE to produce phenomena to cover large area, to come out to soil surface and to be detectable with IR pistol? Right?

Other words;2cm diamm coin is able to produce 1 meter diamm phenomena?

Is that what you are claiming here Esteban?

If the coin can be detectable at this depth and also at some distance, not only has vertical shape, also must be have an horizontal shape.

[ivconic]

Originally Posted by Esteban

If the coin can be detectable at this depth and also at some distance, not only has vertical shape, also must be have an horizontal shape.

Ok,ok...but please answer me with direct answer; yes or no!

I can extend my question with horizontal and vertical propagation, i don't mind.

So please read this again:

Other words; you are saying: 2cm diamm coin is able to produce 1 x 1 (horizontal and vertical) meter area of detectable phenomena?

[ivconic]

Might be that my question is not easy to understand ?

So i draw another sketch to make it more understandable.

Esteban please be patience with me and answer me with simple YES or NO.

So;

ARE YOU SAYING THAT 2cm SINGLE COIN, AT 1m DEPTH IN SOIL, IS ABLE TO PRODUCE PHENOMENA DETECTABLE AT SOIL SURFACE WITH IR LRL?

Simple Yes or No?

Many thanks for your answer, in advance.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by ivconic

Ok,ok...but please answer me with direct answer; yes or no!

I can extend my question with horizontal and vertical propagation, i don't mind.

So please read this again:

Other words; you are saying: 2cm diamm coin is able to produce 1 x 1 (horizontal and vertical) meter area of detectable phenomena?

And more meters too! RF detector (radio) also helps here. So, the "phenomenon" is complex...

Experiments have been made:

1. If you climbs to a stairway, the "phenomenon" continues above.

2. If you close a cable or wire over the object (this is a closed loop), the "phenomenon" disappears. Shortcircuited!

3. If you put a small iron object near the object, the distance decreases.

4. If you put a large iron object on the target area may disappear almost completely, except for a treasure or a large object, good conductor.

5. If the soil is salty, the phenomenon spreads and is difficult to focus the object. Conductivity.

6. If you put a MD (on) over the target for 15 minutes or less, the "phenomenon" dissapears. So oscillations consumes the "phenomenon". The "phenomenon" recovers after X time.

7. If a lightning strikes near the target, the "phenomenon" dissapears and recovering after a certain time, can be 1-3 months.

And many more describing other experiments posted through the years, wish no repeat anymore... tired! If the "phenomenon" does not exist, why so many tests and experiments? (above).

And... are you another inquisitor?

[ivconic]

"..And... are you another inquisitor?..."

God NOOO! Of curse not! I just want to understand your views and understanding of phenomena!





"...Esteban please be patience with me and answer me with simple YES or NO...."

???

Esteban what is wrong with my question?!?

Are you NOT ABLE to simply answer my question???
Simply "Yes" or "No" ???


Do i need to preformulate question for hundred times more?
Do i need to repeat question also for hundred times more?

Are you able to simply answer with "Yes" or "No" ??

[ivconic]

Look; i am not asking you for any kind of explanations. Also i am not asking you for any kind of experiments here!


All i am asking is SIMPLE ANSWER; YES or NO.

Is my English so bad?

[Esteban]

8. If the wet is very high (in the air, no problem in stream, river or quiet water), "phenomenon" suffers dispersion and can't be detectable or expand like in salty terrain, except that with high moisture in air is not sure the detection (can exists many falses). But you're sure in salty terrain because is not false detection, only "phenomenon" is expanded.

9. Extremely fine rain helps in detection. Seems the "phenomenon" uses as a "road". This I comprobe with a BFO pistol, very insensitive to riffle cartridge. But in this opportunity seems the extremely fine rain acts as a "way" and beeps many times in the place of the riffle cartridge 7.62.

10. Round objects as coins and rings can be detectable at more distance. Seems that the charges do not "escape" from the round shapes.

I'll added more all I remembered.

[ivconic]

Originally Posted by ivconic

Look; i am not asking you for any kind of explanations. Also i am not asking you for any kind of experiments here!


All i am asking is SIMPLE ANSWER; YES or NO.

Is my English so bad?

All i am asking is SIMPLE ANSWER; YES or NO.

Is my English so bad?

[ivconic]

Originally Posted by ivconic

All i am asking is SIMPLE ANSWER; YES or NO.

Is my English so bad?

All i am asking is SIMPLE ANSWER; YES or NO.

Is my English so bad?


All i am asking is SIMPLE ANSWER; YES or NO.

Is my English so bad?

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Esteban

And more meters too! RF detector (radio) also helps here. So, the "phenomenon" is complex...

I respond you!

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by ivconic

All i am asking is SIMPLE ANSWER; YES or NO.

Is my English so bad?

Do you're an inquisitor?

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by ivconic

Look; i am not asking you for any kind of explanations. Also i am not asking you for any kind of experiments here!


All i am asking is SIMPLE ANSWER; YES or NO.

Is my English so bad?

Maybe the descriptions can help...

[ivconic]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I respond you!

You are telling the things i am not interested to hear at all!
Don't bug me please!

Answer on my question simply;


YES or NO !

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by ivconic

Might be that my question is not easy to understand ?

So i draw another sketch to make it more understandable.

Esteban please be patience with me and answer me with simple YES or NO.

So;

ARE YOU SAYING THAT 2cm SINGLE COIN, AT 1m DEPTH IN SOIL, IS ABLE TO PRODUCE PHENOMENA DETECTABLE AT SOIL SURFACE WITH IR LRL?

Simple Yes or No?

Many thanks for your answer, in advance.

In some part I put "limit for IR can be 75 cm depth for a single coin". Search for it. This is regarding for IR. Other kind of pistol, as Zahori, detect a big gold chain at 1 meter depth and 30 m in distance in inland free not contaminated area. As you can see, I respond days ago before you asked me. You don't read the posts.

[ivconic]

Esteban you are affraid to give here simple answer on simple question.

Why? I will tell you why? Because you are catched in your own trap!

If you answer with NO than you will spit on all your own claims you already posted on these forums!

If you answer YES than everybody else here (sane memebers) will spit on you and also will realize finally that you
are worst lunatic and charlatan ever existed on this forum (this is NOT my claim, this is only assumption in case your answer is YES)!


Tough choice! Tough question! I understand very well why are you hesitating to give simple answer...

I feel sorry for you. But you started all...not me.

[ivconic]

"..."limit for IR can be 75 cm depth for a single coin"..."


Ok! I don't mind for those extra 25cm at all.

So i will preformulate my question again:

ARE YOU SAYING THAT 2cm SINGLE COIN, AT 75cm DEPTH IN SOIL, IS ABLE TO PRODUCE PHENOMENA DETECTABLE AT SOIL SURFACE WITH IR LRL?

PLEASEEEE answer me with simple YES or NO !

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Esteban

The distortion is a change in electrical/magnetic/chemist/temp characteristics in soil where is buried good conductive metal. So, the "phenomenon" is some complex. With IR I found (in my patio) not very old item (a coin) buried for only few years, but not at depth. In few years isn't creates the enough electric field or "phenomenon", called by others "halo". But a item buried for 100 years can be detected at more depth. But this isn't mean that a item buried for 1,000 years can be detectable X 10 in depth. I think the limit for a single coin is 75 cm for IR. But IR laser can be good. Maybe.

Do you see?

[ivconic]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Do you see?

I see and you are right on that.

So i preformulated my question already in :

ARE YOU SAYING THAT 2cm SINGLE COIN, AT 75cm DEPTH IN SOIL, IS ABLE TO PRODUCE PHENOMENA DETECTABLE AT SOIL SURFACE WITH IR LRL?

PLEASE answer me with simple YES or NO !

[Esteban]

YES!

[ivconic]

Originally Posted by Esteban

YES!

So your answer is YES on my question:

"..ARE YOU SAYING THAT 2cm SINGLE COIN, AT 75cm DEPTH IN SOIL, IS ABLE TO PRODUCE PHENOMENA DETECTABLE AT SOIL SURFACE WITH IR LRL?.."

So, actually YOU are saying that 2cm SINGLE COIN AT 75CM DEPTH IN SOIL is ABLE TO PRODUCE PHENOMENA DETECTABLE AT SOIL SURFACE WITH IR LRL !?

Right?

Your answer is YES, as we can see from your previous post.


THANK YOU ESTEBAN! THANK YOU for your answer!

Hell....what took you so long to give simple answer on such simple question???

Sheeeeshhh!

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by ivconic

ARE YOU SAYING THAT 2cm SINGLE COIN, AT 1m DEPTH IN SOIL, IS ABLE TO PRODUCE PHENOMENA DETECTABLE AT SOIL SURFACE WITH IR LRL?

Simple Yes or No?

Originally Posted by Esteban

And more meters too! RF detector (radio) also helps here. So, the "phenomenon" is complex...

Not a simple yes, but a yes. Let's cool down a bit...

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I noticed that when a metallic object good conductor of heat and electricity are exposed to strong heat of the sun on a good day, this is detectable outside. Seems that emits "something" that is easily detectable.

But not ionization due to infrared, because that simply cannot happen.

Also, according to HungScience, incident sunlight contains no infrared.

- Carl

[ivconic]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

Not a simple yes, but a yes. Let's cool down a bit...

I am cool! And i am very satisfied with Esteban's answer!