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User-opinions have nothing to do with scientifical proofen tests. Look at the large product selection on the OKM page. All those around 15 detectors are scam, don't work???  The huge price may be a bad joke but those display-driven "GPR" (radar waves are bad reflectable within soil) or gradiometer detectors are new generation and they have very high sensitivity. So what do we have here? A company that want's to ruin its reputation concerning his working detectors with some bad Bionic fraud objects? You really think this? How often shall I repeat it that there are already real working LRLs but this stuff works very unreliable and the Bionic X4 will be no difference. And for shure everyone can sue OKM if this Bionic doesn't works. Because it depends what kind of criminal intention is behind something. Persons for shure are not interrested in buying that Bionic if it's just the same short range detecting like any usual MD. And if OKM suggests it will detect on a much further distance and it doesn't they are fooling and betraying persons who are searching a tool with SPECIAL abilities! btw. all those harddisk resellers should be sued, too, those liars! We are living in the year 2011 and everyone! is dealing with real megabyte, gigabyte or terrabyte and if I wanna buy a 2 TB harddisk I dont wanna get only 1.860TB which is around 7% less!  And if OKM likes to cheat persons so they start to think their Bionic stuff is really long range detecting and this is not true 100% FOR SHURE I and everyone else can sue or punish them directly! Quote:
And usually it depends on trade marks, patents, open domain, money making and alot other marketing stuff. However the not really fair "good business" always had piracy and theft as counterpart and sometimes the pirates have had more moral and ethics than the greedy business-man! Concerning electronics or software it always depends how "important" and worthful to protect something is. In most cases all those "owner-rights" shall go to hell because they make just problems as we can see with p2p, the film, game and music industry and how arrogant they're acting against the consumer or safety-backupers. Shure, the inventor(s) should get their reward for their good work, but not over hundred of years and not by creating monopoles. All those f**** licences and stuff makes everything just extremly expensive and destroys the free development and improvement. Where will we end if every little electronical circuit would be protected by law? Nowwhere. And it's the biggest joke of all to protect not working LRL circuits!
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10-16-2011, 10:35 AM
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Hmmm...
It seems everyone in Geotech knows that OKM products are not a very good choice for treasure hunting. They can easily read all the reports from users who tell about their disappointment from OKM. Funny how everyone seems to understand that OKM can help to find buried things no better than a directional gradiometer except Funfinder, who expects other people to sue OKM. Why is this? Why would Funfinder expect other people to perform scientific tests to his satisfaction and then sue the OKM company? We all know OKM never claimed people can recover treasure from long range with their equipment, so why would Funfinder want me or anyone else to sue them? We don't need to look too far to find the answer. http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...89&postcount=1 Quote:
Does this put a new light on why he would want to see other people sue OKM company? The question now arises: What kind of competition will OKM offer to the Greek LRL that Funfinder is peddling? Can it be that difficult to compete against OKM? After all, most treasure hunters already know bionic locators perform like a cheap gradiometer. If this is the same level of performance we can expect from his OBMD-1 Greek LRL, then it may be good to keep a close watch on what he is peddling.  Best wishes, J_P
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10-16-2011, 06:27 PM
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J_Player wrote:
It begins to become clear that Funfinder is preparing to become an LRL dealer in Europe. You really saved my day!And of what do you dream at night? No, I don't wanna be a dealer or a reseller, all what I want is that we can be shure those are real functional methods and if so real working LRLs shall starting to exist and I have no problem if after this real working LRLs would be available. But what we know already about the work with them (Hungs coconut site, Ingas not working OKM Bionic and Morgans not findable ship wrecks...) we will have a hard time with this stuff anyway and working with such units could be "no fun" or better "the beginning of alot problems, useless efforts and huge frustrations" and personally I prefer detectors that will cause no "further problems".
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10-16-2011, 11:41 PM
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We see your post announcing that you will test and support the new CryptonGreece LRL in Europe... You posted it here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18232 You cannot pretend it is not true after you told us you will test and support it for middle Europe. That is a flat out lie! ...We see your forum post...! But it is worse... you have no respect for copyrights and proprietary ownership of circuits. You believe it is ok for you to steal other people's circuits to do what you want with them regardless of patents or copyrights. Scroll up and read your words. "...all those "owner-rights" shall go to hell because they make just problems as we can see with p2p, the film, game and music industry..." Are you aware that Carl-NC has made provisions to stop copyright thieves? Do you really think it is ok to steal other peoples work and post it in his forums when they say it is proprietary? Maybe you don't care about international copyright laws, but you should take a look at what Carl-NC has said about taking other people's circuits and pretending you own them. Good luck with your LRL venture. Don't pretend you are not on a venture to promote LRLs... we see your post here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18232 Best wishes, J_P
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10-17-2011, 02:30 AM
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Oh by the way - just meant satiric / ironic:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBjtghitGOM And please J_P leave Carl out of the business, or do you like intrigue like a woman? You and your misleading: "ripped out of the context quotes". Anyway - I don't think not working circuits which are used to create fooling people products or have just experimental wannabe status have the right for protection, for any protections at all.
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10-17-2011, 04:42 AM
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Ummm... Funfinder...
You told us you are going to test and support a Greek LRL manufacturer Now you say your words are only assumptions... Who are you trying to fool? We are not that stupid. We can read what you wrote. Nobody here has any brain problems. We know very well what you wrote in the Geotech forums. We see your long post to tell your reasons why owners of copyrights can "go to hell" Stop pretending we are assuming things and read your own words: Quote:
Can you honestly tell us you will not be representing an LRL manufacturer in Europe? What do your words mean here? "This unit will be produced in Greece in a few weeks/months and I will test and support it for middle europe. btw. I don't care if it's based on some old Mineoro circuit like Morgans pistol detectors..." http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showp...89&postcount=1 Best wishes, J_P
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10-19-2011, 05:53 PM
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beautiful it is here, the company okm discussed and their cheap products.
it does not fall only on employees but also to save the. Most data in the company but have no idea about the products they build there, the workers are just so helpful to see the device also. Poor processing of the housing and electronics. The whole device is actually held only by hot glue and glue. in the old Bionix are for example the circuit boards installed. http://www.conrad.com/Lie-detector--...9_2420110&Ctx= no idea what a lie detector in such a device is installed, this is probably the Bionic measurement methods. in the rover deluxe is already established as the FLC 100 and also built in part by http://whites.co.uk/3900-pro-plus.html see the rover deluxe coil same and the same display as before Bionix. because you can buy cheaper but the same device that can not be less. though most appliances are very old just got a new housing each year. so that the customer is thrilled to again and buys a new device, and with each new product is made in the secret advertising forums, all of which was found.
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10-20-2011, 11:10 AM
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J_P,
you don't have anything to want from me, is this clear?! Because you're the one who starts to wanna discuss with me, who critizises what I'm writing, who can't live with what I'm thinking and writing. But I don't care about you. Go away with your wrong attitude! You are unable! I wonder if you even can find out if a simple flash-light works or not! Without me you and WM6 still would be convinced that the Jeohunter is a fraud product. All what you want to have is entertainment and cheap bla bla bla smalltalk. You are not interrested in serious investigation. Come on, J_Player, why you don't hire some good detectives and send them to Brazil, perhaps they can find the true answer you will never find! btw. I think about to leave this forum because I don't want that such evil persons like we have here at least two of them should have even the slightest gain from what I'm writing, from my knowledge, from doesn't matter what I'm giving out to this forum here! Not you J_Player, and not you, WM6. Unsympathical to the hilt, unable, completly unable! No wonder Morgan has asked for his own forum and makes alot of secrecy about his PDK because he also doesn't like that such worse persons should have any win from what he is doing! You are so blind, WM6 and J_Player! With your ridiculous attitude and with your hate against how to find facts by scientifical study way you destroy everything here! And I don't throw away presents to persons who don't deserve it! Stupid me, last year I still thought about to visit WM6 to show him the Jeohunter personally. But I'll never would do this again, because such persons absolutly don't deserve it! They will never understand what is real and what is fantasy, 'cause they live in their dreamworlds full of crap and assumptions. And now J_P and WM6 please please please go on with your no results bringing bla bla bla smalltalks here - hahahaha, you will never find out if the Bionic X4 really works or not, never... You will never learn the way how to really learn and discover. PS and save your psychotic ultra big letter J_P because I don't read your **** any longer!
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We will met and test different devices (hope Geo's an Morgan's pistols too) one day. Scientifically, and post all results here. I am fan of you.
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10-20-2011, 02:15 PM
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Funfinder, why do you read their posts? Don't blame them--You are part of the problem! You are feeding their addiction. They want attention and you are giving it to them. Do you really expect to get their approval?
"Of all the times that I've been burned, by now you'd think I'd learn That it's who you look like, not who you are." --Jackson Browne
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10-20-2011, 03:44 PM
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Funfinder,
here's some advice: Believe in yourself. You can accomplish anything you desire. Don't listen to the negative garbage. They are losers trying to compensate for their inadequacy. Don't expect approval from them or anyone! Thank yourself when you get it right, even the small steps. The winning attitude needs to be set in your subconscious, then there are no limits. Thanks to Gail Howard for some of these tips. I like the book "Knowing Your Intuitive Mind" by Dale Olson.
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10-20-2011, 03:58 PM
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For start (as you are deep in scam business), I suggest you this: http://trade.gov/goodgovernance/adobe/bem_manual.pdf
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10-21-2011, 12:55 AM
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BIONIC X4
What was the word under your avatar GURU what ever, i have my degree in Engeneering buddy ive done my time talk is cheep money buys the whisky.Anyway im not into personal politics and vandettas, constructive chritisism does good as it eliminates all the fraudsters selling bad equipment out there as im on this forum for constructive reasons and to help out fellow gold seekers where i can. So chill out dude, because i have my reasons behind not likeing your machines doesnt mean i deserve you inapropriate behavior and whats happened to freedom of choice ?
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OKM Bionic Alpha works?!
I wrote: 10-16-2011, 01:05 AM
http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...6&postcount=51 > Look at the large product selection on the OKM page. > All those around 15 detectors are scam, don't work??? Today I found an interesting forum-posting that the Bionic perhaps might indeed work: here: http://www.schatzsucher.de/Foren/showthread.php?t=38857 the last post of this page from 17.02.2008, 17:37 Quote:
"does someone has made any experience with the Bionic" translated (the important part): Once I was the onwer of a Bionic alpha, the results was "so la la". In german this means that the results sometimes was good, sometimes not so good. After this statetment the user tells: "Once successful, once not. Therefore I gave it back (changed it), now I have the eXp 4000 (which is also from OKM) which brings super results." So what do we have here? This OKM Bionic Alpha user did not say, that the detector is completly a nonworking crap, but he said that it sometimes worked, sometimes not. Too bad he didn't explain it much more detailed under what conditions it worked and what he found. The eXp 4000 as a magnetometer with grafical output of course works if used correctly, but I guess it costs 6000 Euros which is over 7000 dollars so its a question if its really worth the price. But he told that the eXp 4000 works and thats the point here. In the final posting at page 2 of this thread another OKM Bionic Alpha user tells that he got no detection results with the Bionic Alpha and when he called OKM they told him that the gold must be buried at least 50 years. And further he tells that a friend of him later bought a new version of the Bionic and OKM told that for the new version the gold not has to be buried for a very long time before. So what is the interesting part of this now??? That we have a formerly OKM Bionic Alpha owner that tells that this device worked for him, just not very good (just half of the time or something like this). But it worked and he did not say that the Bionic Alpha was just a pure waste of money and total crap! And by the way OKM still offers two such Bionic detectors on their website. So from a probability range 1 to 100 "does the Bionic works" after this posting it looks llike that someone can't say: For hundert percent if will not work! A more reality reflecting statement may sound like this: It works, yes, but not very good, just ca. 25% of all the time. And if it is able to detect the very weak and slightly stronger or weaker becoming EM-field anomalies around buried metal objects of course it would possible that it works, seen from the electronical principle. The question is just: how reliable, how useful and how much empty holes someone has to dig until he finds real targets. This posting should not strenghten the position of some betraying LRL-fraudsters and their evil doings but it should relativate the whole LRL topic to a realistic point where the statement could be: electronical bases detection of buried objects from a larger distance could be indeed possible, but only sometimes, under best weather conditions and after a long time of experience with such detectors. But perhaps the person who wrote that his Bionic Alpha sometimes works, sometimes not just was a liar or a victim to his own selfdelusion - but so far I don't think so. Shure, if a person buys a 5000 Euro expensive "toy" he wanna have fun and success with it - so he may tend to betray himself in thinking that the device really works while in reality his finds just were made by pure chance. But now after 5 years its no longer possible to contact "anonymo" from Sachsen, Germany. Too bad, so the pure guessing and controversial discussions will remain until a real reliable LRL-detector incl. trustworthy testing person will be found !!!
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apropos:
yesterday I found out that the firm OKM exists since 1998 - first it was a little garage-tinkering-project in Chemnitz, Thuringia - but meanwhile there are working diploma informatik- and other engineering "doctors" and there central has moved now and is located at a modern and expensive building. One of the 2 founding members was and still is: Andreas Krauss At german treasure-hunting forums there have been already in the year 2000 very controverse discussions about their so called ground radar "Future 2001". Infact this was some homebrew computerized magnetometer and far away from RADAR, very easy rebuildable stuff around some cheap fluxgate-magnetometer which was glued and full with epoxy to prevent it from easy rebuilding. The same method also use so called LRL-fraudsters to hinder persons to discover the real truth or to camouflage their extremly cheap electronical-parts crap. OKM then in 2004 was forced stop calling their extremly unreliable working "LCD-display-output-gradiometer" a GPR. At this time the new version was called already "Future 2005" from which the new EXP detectors derived. However because of the significantly "cheaper" price (only just around 4000 Euros) of this Future 2001, 2003 or 2005 - many people bought it, instead of the over 13.000 Euro expensive EMFAD. Depending on the users experience, the location, the calibration and other factors both machines worked the same good or bad, but of course the EMFAD uses long-wave-anomaly detection and the Future 2005 uses just magnetical fields. Thats why magnetometers will not detect very good cavitys or noble metals. OKM was lucky and found some part of a WW2 airplane at London which brought them some larger news-headlines and even docu-movies and many of those OKM detectors was bought from people of Greece and Turkey. But most of those persons (and if someone sufferes from goldfever, it can make 'em blind for any realistic arguments, too) were very unsatisfied with the performance of those OKM products! One example: Persons who made with one and the same OKM detector several completly identical tests and even buried huge metal objects there before, all the time got different and changing screen-outputs and couldn't locate the just 1m deep huge metal object at all. And this happened with an already real proven (magnetometer)-technology. So you can imagine how much more difficult it may be to get some real useful results with those OKM Bionic detectors which work with extremly weak directional EM-field changes. Normally such user-unfriendly products should be banned from the market and forbidden (same with those wannabe LRL-detectors as long as they don't proven work reliable!), but the greed for treasures of some people is that extremly high, that they love to throw away huge amounts of money just to satisfy their illusions! OKM and other wondermachine-producers of course are very happy about such fanatic and totally irrational thinking persons....
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Hi dear WM6 you can see on YouTube now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAozXj2f_l8
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