Rangertell LRL discreditation

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hipopp

the more this discussion goes on the more evident it is that people do not have a clue what they are talking about.

I am sure you would like to believe that, but the truth is that many of the people here do know what what they're talking about. On the other hand, it is clear that you are not open-mindedly testing the RT. If you knew the slightest thing about the ideomotor effect, you would be attempting to understand the phenomenon behind your experiences, instead of ranting wildly about the results of your non-scientific tests. The bottom line is that dowsing is a "trick of the mind". There is no detection of anything, except gravity. I know it can seem compelling when the rod moves, but it's all a delusion. You need to see beyond the illusion, and follow Carl's instructions for double-blind testing.

Originally Posted by hipopp

To say that magnets are not used in power generation or that each atom molecule or compound or metal is not resonating at its own frequency is a flight from reality and reason.

Nobody here said that magnets are not used in power generation. Although, why you think this has anything to do with dowsing, is a mystery.

Originally Posted by hipopp

Even a bridge resonates at its own frequecy that is why soldiers break stride and do not march in unison cos they can add power to the resonance and ultimatelt bring the brodge down. What do you think the Walls of Jericho were all about.

Yes - we all know about the phenomenon of mechanical resonance. There are many famous examples of this, without having to resort to religious quotes.

Originally Posted by hipopp

As for the rangertell, i am not claiming to be a dowser you folk said that. I opened my discussions here by saying that i can pick up a .6 gram nugget clear as day at 50 meters.

So - you're not a dowser - but you are using a Ranger Tell. In that case, what are you claiming to be?

Originally Posted by hipopp

I saw faye walking back from a public toilet with it with all her jewellry, when she was out of sight to me.Quite funny it was we were out in the backblocks and i thought i had picked up a rabbit who had swallowed a nuggett. I think the rabbitts are only here. I saw gold in an old prospectors shed. I see all the micro gold in bits of quartz laying on the ground. I have picked up a quartz reef with micro gold in it at about 300 meters. I can pick up ironstone at a mile away.

Blimey! With all the bits and pieces of gold that must exist within a radius of one mile, the poor RT must be whizzing around like a windmill. Perhaps you could attach a magnet to the do-nothing electronics box, and use it to generate electricity.

Originally Posted by hipopp

All proper field tests done a 100 ways to LEARN. I have not finished yet. Hung got me testing the interference of magnetism and as a byproduct of that i see that the ranger can be set up to minimise picking up small targets and zeroing in on large target only. I can pick up the gold plated pins in my computer motherboards. What else do you want folks?

This is where your claims start to sound ridiculous. Someone has really sold you a pack of pseudo-scientific nonsense, and you've swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

Originally Posted by hipopp

you are totally in denial me thinks. any chance of reasonable discussion is lost.

That happened when you wrote your first post on this forum. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Your testing of the RT has been non-scientific, and purely based on subjective measurements. Dowsing is well known to be a mind trick, and therefore your conclusions are irrelevant.

Originally Posted by hipopp

go do your homework about resonance and magnets in the power industry to generate electricity then we can start off thinking you know at least a little of electrical/magnetic theory. regards.

What has this got to do with a swivel handle attached to a box of hot-glued do-nothing electronics, with a cheap calculator glued on the top?
If you knew anything about electrical/magnetic theory, you would be laughing at the RT, and wondering how anyone could be gullible enough to use this rubbish to search for gold. Then you would have tossed it in the trash, where it belongs.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by hipopp

the more this discussion goes on the more evident it is that people do not have a clue what they are talking about.

And, the more input you enter here, clearly shows you not only don't understand basic mechanical principles, but you also have been taken in completely (brainwashed) by a wallet-miner and scam artist.

To say that magnets are not used in power generation or that each atom molecule or compound or metal is not resonating at its own frequency is a flight from reality and reason. Even a bridge resonates at its own frequecy

That statement is a perfect example of how much you don't really know about resonance. Mechanical resonance is completely different from molecular resonance. Comparing the two in a feeble attempt to validate and strengthen your own faulty belief systems, as sold to you by Vincent Blanes, is an exercise in futility and anyone with even a grade-school education can recognize that fact.

Instead of wasting your time here "plugging" the Blanes dowsing wand, go out and make your fortune with it. Soon, you will find the only one who has a chance at making his fortune are the scam artist wallet-miners that sell these dowsing contraptions.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by hipopp

To say that magnets are not used in power generation

Not power generation, power plant generators.Do you make it on purpose?

Originally Posted by hipopp

I can pick up the gold plated pins in my computer motherboards.

There is gold eveywhere around you: in you watch, calculator, computer, car , TV set, in every single electronic device around you and in the street, there is gold.But you only pick you nugget and Mboard gold. Did you think how selection was done?
It can only be human.

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Then you would have tossed it in the trash, where it belongs.

Too expensive to be tossed away: once you´ve bought it , you must "make it work", or you lose part of your virility.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Fred

Not power generation, power plant generators.Do you make it on purpose?

There is gold eveywhere around you: in you watch, calculator, computer, car , TV set, in every single electronic device around you and in the street, there is gold.But you only pick you nugget and Mboard gold. Did you think how selection was done?
It can only be human.


Too expensive to be tossed away: once you´ve bought it , you must "make it work", or you lose part of your virility.

The only way he has to make it work is reselling on ebay to some other sucker!

Will work as it normally do: giving him at sell some money for nothing (and chicks for free ?).

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

1. What is the resonance frequency of gold? How do you know?

2. What is the resonance frequency of bridges? Careful with this one, it might make you re-think #1.



True, but the RT is just a dowsing rod. If you pick it up & use it, you are dowsing. You can pretend you're not dowsing, but that doesn't change reality.



I don't "want" anything. What do you want? That is, why are you here? If you're 100% happy with your RT, then do you really care what skeptics think? Wouldn't your time be better spent collecting gold nuggets? The Minelab boys are beating you hands down right now.

Maybe you're here because you're looking for something. Validation perhaps? If I flew to Australia right now, and we performed a randomized blind test of you with the RT, you would fail miserably. Of that there is no doubt. Even Hung will tell you that, though he will find a way to blame me instead of you.

Obviously, I'm not going to drop everything and spend $2000 to watch another newbie dowser bite the dust. But I have provided you with information where you can find out for yourself whether you are doing what you think you are doing. Are you interested in knowing instead of just believing?

- Carl

Don't know under wich circumstances , but found this. If we know the atomic frequency (like the cesium, for example), then, we can build a selective LRL for each metal.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Don't know under wich circumstances , but found this. If we know the atomic frequency (like the cesium, for example), then, we can build a selective LRL for each metal.

With one exception!!! The atomic frequency you make reference to IS NOT something that travels out and away from the source. Hence, your LRL can never be selective, no matter what number you plug into the do-nothing calculator.

Selectivity can only exist within the mind of the dowser, and that parameter of the process is very error-prone, making it totally worthless as a selection indicator.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Theseus

With one exception!!! The atomic frequency you make reference to IS NOT something that travels out and away from the source. Hence, your LRL can never be selective, no matter what number you plug into the do-nothing calculator.

Selectivity can only exist within the mind of the dowser, and that parameter of the process is very error-prone, making it totally worthless as a selection indicator.

I talk about electronic LRL.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Don't know under wich circumstances , but found this. If we know the atomic frequency (like the cesium, for example), then, we can build a selective LRL for each metal.

Hi,
that's true in NMR scenario: you have big RF sources all around the target piece trying to make it resonate at a particular frequency (that it's strictly related to the magnetic fields there), this way the resonance process will absorb part of the energy and that drop is usually detected by ultra low noise devices connected to the NMR machine.

The way this kind of operation is done require enormous amount of energy to stimulate resonance process in the sample... and usually NMR apparatus have active RF TX running at some Tesla induction: 2-3 Tesla are often employed in medical stuff... but fairly higher are usually employed in e.g. NMR for chemistry stuff... like in big academic labs.

Now... the lrl proposed (RT) hasn't any TX... apart the noise generated at calculator , that so small power... and simple tuned circuit.

No NMR is possible at 1000mt distance... even using an enormous superconducting magnet... sorrounding the target... and no receiver exist to read such small variation from 1000mt far...

No way the things like RT could work as LRL. It's scientific fact.

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

That is interesting.
There is enought RF energy at any frequency on Earth and outside...

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Max

Hi,
that's true in NMR scenario: you have big RF sources all around the target piece trying to make it resonate at a particular frequency (that it's strictly related to the magnetic fields there), this way the resonance process will absorb part of the energy and that drop is usually detected by ultra low noise devices connected to the NMR machine.

The way this kind of operation is done require enormous amount of energy to stimulate resonance process in the sample... and usually NMR apparatus have active RF TX running at some Tesla induction: 2-3 Tesla are often employed in medical stuff... but fairly higher are usually employed in e.g. NMR for chemistry stuff... like in big academic labs.

Now... the lrl proposed (RT) hasn't any TX... apart the noise generated at calculator , that so small power... and simple tuned circuit.

No NMR is possible at 1000mt distance... even using an enormous superconducting magnet... sorrounding the target... and no receiver exist to read such small variation from 1000mt far...

No way the things like RT could work as LRL. It's scientific fact.

Kind regards,
Max

Yes, NMR requires some Tesla in intensity, this mean high current...

But, can be detectable vibration of atoms (frequency)? If yes, you can discriminate each metal from others...

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Fred

That is interesting.
There is enought RF energy at any frequency on Earth and outside...

When I detect a simple coin at few meters with FM radio, no more 3-5 m and no at high depth, I think in re-radiated frequency from different sources...

[Dell Winders]

Here is the bottom line on LRL, does it work or not. Then how often will it work successfully. Still all we have is someones' word that they work, that is not enough though because we all know cellphones, radios, standard metal detectors, etc work because we see the results of them being used every day. A controlled test with other people present other than devout LRL users will be necessary to prove their usefulness otherwise all that left is a never ending debate that goes nowhere.

Thousands of controlled tests, double blind, and total blind field tests have been conducted over many years, with and without the Rod(s). Sorry some of you weren't there to see them. Dell

[Dell Winders]

The way this kind of operation is done require enormous amount of energy to stimulate resonance process in the sample... and usually NMR apparatus have active RF TX running at some Tesla induction: 2-3 Tesla are often employed in medical stuff... but fairly higher are usually employed in e.g. NMR for chemistry stuff... like in big academic labs.

Now... the lrl proposed (RT) hasn't any TX... apart the noise generated at calculator , that so small power... and simple tuned circuit.

No NMR is possible at 1000mt distance... even using an enormous superconducting magnet... sorrounding the target... and no receiver exist to read such small variation from 1000mt far...

No way the things like RT could work as LRL. It's scientific fact.

Kind regards,
Max

Max, your PRETENSE of Scientific knowledge of all physics astounds me.

FYI, It is a scientific fact, that for many years now the frequencies of anomalies in earth stratas are being detected, received recorded, and analyzed at the earth surface, to depths of 16,000 feet, that I am aware of. This is done without any tx stimulation whatsoever. Dell

[Götz von Berlichingen]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Thousands of controlled tests, double blind, and total blind field tests have been conducted over many years, with and without the Rod(s). Sorry some of you weren't there to see them. Dell

It seems like you live in a parallel Universe where Dowsing works.

I know only a few Scientific Tests about Dowsing.
The Result of these Tests is well known : It does not work.

[Dell Winders]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was replying to the subject of Mechanical Long Range Locators, not Meta-physical Dowsing. There is a big difference in the application.

Regarding Mental Dowsing, it was reported on a television documentary 3 weeks ago, that according to the latest scientific brain studies, it was definitely concluded that humans do have ESP within the sub-conscious part of the brain. Of course, for those of us who have trained ourselves to utilize that portion of our brain, we already knew this a long time ago, before it was scientifically proven. Dell

[Delbert grady]

So how does this model cope with Dicky Spy problem
Can it be fitted with Dicky Spy screen

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Regarding Mental Dowsing, it was reported on a television documentary 3 weeks ago, that according to the latest scientific brain studies, it was definitely concluded that humans do have ESP within the sub-conscious part of the brain. Of course, for those of us who have trained ourselves to utilize that portion of our brain, we already knew this a long time ago, before it was scientifically proven. Dell

I suppose that, because it was on TV, you believe it to be true.
Which program was it?

I invite you to watch Richard Dawkins present Enemies of Reason. You can view it on YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyQ57X3YhH4
This is Episode 1 (1 of 5).
If you only want to watch the part on dowsing, then go to Episode 1 (3 of 5) and start viewing at 9mins, then continue with Episode 1 (4 of 5). I fully expect that your response will be similar to the dowsers who were filmed in this documentary, if you actually bother to watch it ... which I doubt.

At least it will be interesting for everyone else, if you've not seen it before.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

I suppose that, because it was on TV, you believe it to be true.
Which program was it?

I invite you to watch Richard Dawkins present Enemies of Reason. You can view it on YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyQ57X3YhH4
This is Episode 1 (1 of 5).
If you only want to watch the part on dowsing, then go to Episode 1 (3 of 5) and start viewing at 9mins, then continue with Episode 1 (4 of 5). I fully expect that your response will be similar to the dowsers who were filmed in this documentary, if you actually bother to watch it ... which I doubt.

At least it will be interesting for everyone else, if you've not seen it before.

Interesting. And naturally, it points up and validates everything the skeptical faction has been maintaining all along. Curious isn't it, how controlled and closely monitored tests of dowsing all produce Chance results, yet anecdotal evidence always gives supporting evidence.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Don't know under wich circumstances , but found this. If we know the atomic frequency (like the cesium, for example), then, we can build a selective LRL for each metal.

I had hoped that Hippop would answer this, since he was insistent that elements have some frequency you could resonate to.

From your post, an LRL'er might say, "Gold resonates at 1.729 MHz," and that's that. They would, of course, be completely wrong, in the same way that they would be wrong to say, "Bridges resonate at 1.148 Hz."

Many times LRL'ers have pointed to NMR frequencies as their proof that every element resonates at some special frequency, but this just underscores their ignorance in what those NMR frequencies really mean. Anyone who understands how a proton precession magnetometer works, understands what those NMR frequencies really mean.

So let's take the magnetometer as an example, and ask ourselves, "What is the resonant frequency of hydrogen?" When you can answer this question, you can follow up with second question: "How can we physically measure resonating hydrogen?"

When you understand the science behind the proton mag, you will begin to understand just how silly the LRL claims of target resonance really are. The problem is, of course, that most LRL proponents really don't understand science... they make it up as they go.

- Carl

P.S. -- Esteban, you are wise to include the disclaimer, "Don't know under which circumstances"... this makes all the difference in the world!

[Dell Winders]

So let's take the magnetometer as an example, and ask ourselves, "What is the resonant frequency of hydrogen?" When you can answer this question, you can follow up with second question: "How can we physically measure resonating hydrogen?"

When you understand the science behind the proton mag, you will begin to understand just how silly the LRL claims of target resonance really are. The problem is, of course, that most LRL proponents really don't understand science... they make it up as they go.

WOW! Carl, you are smart. I towed a proton magnetometer sensor head around in the water (H2O) for years and never once gave thought I was detecting the resonate field of hydrogen in the water. I guess that shows my stupidity of LRL physics.

[Dell Winders]

I suppose that, because it was on TV, you believe it to be true

And, am I to suppose that because you saw it on youtube, you believe it to be true? Dell

[Max]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Max, your PRETENSE of Scientific knowledge of all physics astounds me.

FYI, It is a scientific fact, that for many years now the frequencies of anomalies in earth stratas are being detected, received recorded, and analyzed at the earth surface, to depths of 16,000 feet, that I am aware of. This is done without any tx stimulation whatsoever. Dell

Hi,
I think you don't understand well what I wrote. The anomalies you talk are related to big energy, and it's wrong there's no transmitter.

There are "transmitters": e.g. the lightning storms could generate few hertz signals detectable, or the Earth magnetic field can produce variations in known physical phenomenons like telluric currents...

But I was talking about NMR and claimed atomic resonance detected by LRLs... not other stuff. So I stand on my words.

If you know how to do NMR at 1000mt distance tell us how instead of ranting about "anomalies" recorded.

Otherwise, your PRETENSE of reading atomic frequencies will remain a mark of your ignorance.

Kind regards,
Max

[Steve in MS]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was replying to the subject of Mechanical Long Range Locators, not Meta-physical Dowsing. There is a big difference in the application.

Regarding Mental Dowsing, it was reported on a television documentary 3 weeks ago, that according to the latest scientific brain studies, it was definitely concluded that humans do have ESP within the sub-conscious part of the brain. Of course, for those of us who have trained ourselves to utilize that portion of our brain, we already knew this a long time ago, before it was scientifically proven. Dell

I bet ESP plays a big role with the devices you sell.
I could take a course in remote viewing and bypass using these dowsing rods altogether and get better results.
Thousands of independent tests?
We are talking about the pivot type devices here, the ones to for sale to the more gullible people out there, not military or lab equipment.
It is truly amazing that these rods can tell gold and/ or silver from all other metals out there, isn't it?
I bet there are thousands upon thousands of detector users that would like a device to find gold rings amongst all those pulltabs.
You should be able to take Carl's tests and pass it with flying colors, just be sure we get it on video for everyone to see , if Carl cares to deal with you.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Steve in MS

I bet ESP plays a big role with the devices you sell.

If ESP played a role in selling LRLs. this would imply the LRL seller had some extra-sensory precognition that an individual, or group of individuals was predisposed to believe that LRLs work. I doubt this is true.

The methods of marketing do not rely on ESP to identify a potential victim. The most popular LRL marketing strategy simply presumes there is a sizable percentage of ignorant people who believe whatever crap they are told (or read), and will spend money for what they believe will easily find treasure, even though they have never seen it work reliably, or at all. The theories about "magnetic-electric" fields, "shooting signal lines", and other wierd science are easy for people to believe who had no education except what they see in the movies.

I must conclude any use of ESP for LRLs is simply more advertising BS, or hypothetical theories of how it works -- not really part of the LRL apparatus or its use, and not part of identifying victims for LRL sales.

Best wishes,
J_P

[roberts]

Originally Posted by Esteban

When I detect a simple coin at few meters with FM radio, no more 3-5 m and no at high depth, I think in re-radiated frequency from different sources...

Simple coin with FM radio, no more 3-5 m !?!?!?
Boooooahahahahahahahahahahahaa!

What "m" stands for? Milimeter? Even than is hell of result!