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Old 10-13-2006, 10:06 PM
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Cool try to stay off replying on my posts or...

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"I think your problems are so that you mostly use borrowed devices which
not belong to yourself.It's obvious a detectorist should work for a while
to understand his detector language and behaviors not transient of others..."
First you are acusing me to be ignorant who only borrows devices from others for
hour or two and according to that short experience acts like expert.....
Than you posted....
"I intended not disrespect you and never have done this, this is clear in my post
am astonished why you wrote so!!!"
What else could be disrespect than what you posted above????
What do you expect.....You are making me ignorant and than wait me to thank you????
Michael...RObert,Ivconic and SOny already "gave you foot"....now is my turn!
Do not reply on my posts and good by michael...I do not "peak" you, you must not
"peak" me....Deal?
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Old 10-13-2006, 10:54 PM
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And more: the techonology is used for others! Part of the page (scientific page) said:

Mobile Metal Ions is a term used to describe ions which have moved in the weathering zone and that are only weakly or loosely attached to surface soil particles. It is a widely held belief that these Mobile Metal Ions are transported from deeply-buried ore bodies to the surface. Scientists from around the world have been studying this phenomenon for many years.
No-one is completely clear on exactly how the metal ions migrate to the surface.


... Because the ions have recently arrived to the surface they provide a precise ‘signal’ on where the ore-bodies are.

* * * * *

The red letters are mine. In the same way, the metal of a treasure can emit mobile ions to the surface.

Here the link:

http://www.sciencewa.net.au/science_rd.asp?pg=111


So, the rest of the job is yours: classify the ions.
You are taking this data out of context. The information in the above link also says "At the surface the ions are subject to weathering and are bound up by soil forming processes (i.e. they become part of the soil)."
As you can readily see, any ions that have migrated to the surface are incapable of detaching themselves from the soil and floating off on the wind, and eventuallly finding themselves sucked into the sensor of a Mineoro. In any case, gold does emit ions, even if it's buried for a million years.
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Old 10-14-2006, 12:04 AM
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No necessary to floating, I never said these ions are floating. I said there are an electric difference in the soil capable to be detect. The company uses chemical method for to evaluate commercial possibilities. But you can use electronic methods.

In any case, gold does emit ions, even if it's buried for a million years.

This is the same opinion of Carl. The page don't specify about what kind of ions can migrates, but YOU know!!!!

Can you asure? Can you demonstrate? Can you show me a page wich demonstrates your aseveration? The theme is this: mobile metalic ions in the soil from depth. No more.

Yes, I post twice.
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In any case, gold does emit ions, even if it's buried for a million years.
Oops! I meant to write "gold does not emit ions".
But I guess you understood anyway.
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Old 10-14-2006, 01:07 AM
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Yes, I understood. My first intention was to mark the word in italic, but I leave it.
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Old 10-14-2006, 07:56 AM
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Hawk!
first; I not more stay off you. push this in your ear.
If I showed already as very "pesty" what have you shown yourself?
a witan, a polite? no , a "pollutant Virus".
About Robert, Sony all are the same one person YOU....
If you want to "give a foot" no problem, surely will get it return more intensified.
and from now I won't sit and undergo your pejoratives or any body .
but Ivconic personality is different of you. at least is more polite than you and somewhere put some useful info and helped us thanks him, but what's your quale?
just some battling, humiliating, spitting,........... a heavy dossier.
oh pardon me for this tone, again you were faulty pushed me to it.

back to subject; from BORROWED ... I really had no intention to disrespect you, as I seriously thought it's so, you could simply deny it and I apologized you. not to answer angrily. if you got so I apologize you.

we could share our info. anyway you before mentioned about Future 2005
it doesn't concerns to emfad and no I'm not high genius to talk about
what have no experience with. I don't know about it's graph.
my purpose of putting the pics was to compare them. they are from
the same exact place with constant field length and searched surface,
1,2 E/W and 3 N/S direction. there is a well that opening is buried about
1 meters under ground. just in N/S see the right shape of cavity whereas
it's round. then we can focus to change searching to N/S dir.....and....
I wanted to continue this discussion to mineoro and even MDind.....
but you broke this discussion and pulled it to nowhere, spoiled it. for what ? nothing, just because you don't like me for a very idle purposes.
it could be good discussion. anyway if here is person who have experiences with future series We can share info each other.
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Old 10-14-2006, 11:44 AM
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Yes, I understood. My first intention was to mark the word in italic, but I leave it.
Thanks.
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Ok.
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Old 10-15-2006, 04:29 AM
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Okantex: the tune frequency of Mineoro is only in the loop. This is in the region of the khz.

Zahori is different. The normal is near 100 hZ. At more high frequency the sensibility is poor. This frequency discharge the telescopic antenna of straneous charges.

I'll scan the DCH series manual of the years 1985, 86, 87 and 88. Some models of this years are similar in operation's principle. I'll collect these and put in forum.


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I'll scan the DCH series manual of the years 1985, 86, 87 and 88. Some models of this years are similar in operation's principle. I'll collect these and put in forum.[/





Hi Esteban
Please upload or send me DCH manual .
Thanks for trouble
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Is in Portuguese language. Let me know if you want!

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Is in Portuguese language. Let me know if you want!

Esteban

Portuguese... spanish... whatever... the problem is that what's in the manual is pseudo-science at best!

I think he's interested anyway... cause translators exist...

But, of course, why I made such a post ???

Better I will focus back on serious things... like understanding how the hell a rodent repeller can be converted to a working LRL... seems too new-age issue but probably Alonso made it happens in the 70's...

Anyway, what about your cousin Alonso !? Hope he's well... I'd like to hear from him directly about these wonderful (hopefully) technologies of lrl... and how to make such funky things with so few resources....

Anyway, kind regards to mr. Alonso too!

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Portuguese... spanish... whatever... the problem is that what's in the manual is pseudo-science at best!

I think he's interested anyway... cause translators exist...

But, of course, why I made such a post ???

Better I will focus back on serious things... like understanding how the hell a rodent repeller can be converted to a working LRL... seems too new-age issue but probably Alonso made it happens in the 70's...

Anyway, what about your cousin Alonso !? Hope he's well... I'd like to hear from him directly about these wonderful (hopefully) technologies of lrl... and how to make such funky things with so few resources....

Anyway, kind regards to mr. Alonso too!

Max
The tweeter system only was capable for to detect at few meters. I have silver recipient (maybe 250 grams) buried at 75 cm depth and was detectable very well, but at 4-5 meters. As I told you, ultrasonic also is used for to reveal imperfections in structures and other things. He has capable for to use any system come in his mind an be workable, but he don't reveal his secrets...
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Hi.
Before about 15 years, one electronic engineer made a LRL with ultrasonic. He used a depth-meter for boats, he put inside 2 pcbs and the detector had the ability to detect 1kgr thin papers of gold at 100m. He made some clones (about 10) but all had the same problems, bad stability and burned a transistor. Now i cant find any clone of this ultrasonic detector. I try for it at least 5 years ago. The ultrasonic depth-meter was a Conion firm with a AM radio on it. The one pcb was a oscillator but the other ????
I wrote all these to say that i agree with Esteban, ultrasonic work for lrl but i dont know yet How????

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Is in Portuguese language. Let me know if you want!

Esteban

Hi Estabn
I cannot read it ,
Is it exist English language .
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I cannot read it ,
Is it exist English language .
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Hi aft_72005

Have not in English. Maybe can be scaned with OCR in word and translated to English.

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Have not in English. Maybe can be scaned with OCR in word and translated to English.

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Hi Esteban
Please give me DCH 85 manual.
I will try it with translator.
Thanks for trouble you have taken in the matter.
BEST REGARDS.
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Old 05-18-2009, 04:40 AM
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For the persons that understand Portuguese and Spanish, maybe Italian, the manual. Enter the code and wait the counter ends and download:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=K1066GRC
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For the persons that understand Portuguese and Spanish, maybe Italian, the manual. Enter the code and wait the counter ends and download:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=K1066GRC

Hi Esteban
THNKING SO MUCH .
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This is in concordance with the famous column of ions: emission of ionic vertical lines, translated from the Portuguese, in red square mark.

I'm ultrashure that exists a kind of emission from this targets buried for long time!
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This is in concordance with the famous column of ions: emission of ionic vertical lines, translated from the Portuguese, in red square mark.

I'm ultrashure that exists a kind of emission from this targets buried for long time!
Esteban, how can you be sure it is an emission instead or absorbtion?
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The machine absorpts the "emission". I build a 3 antennas instrument used in origin for to enlarge a short signal million times, so this circuit was capable for to capture "the phenomenon". This instrument reveals very sensitive and stable at the point that "the phenomenon" caused for an old rifle 7.62 cartridge, used in a revolution of 1947, for example, shows a big angle in detection, but no much distance, this is "infernal" in the nearby, but when I pass the "emission area", the detection stops. Is some difficult find the target, but is there. Lead produce short beep and only you found the lead targets when you pass over it. When I build it, the first time, detect very well an oxidated nail, and I "cure" it with 15-18 megohm resistor.

Once, I walk and obtain a signal with continuity, but at short distance. I watch in the site and saw a hollow in a tree at the level of the soil. So, I "aimed" the antenna towards it and detection was more strong. Was caused by stainless steel coin and at first time was detected in lateral position! This coin material is very good and is rare to found attacked by oxidation.

When you experiment and go in the field, you can obtain response of such "phenomenon".

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When you experiment and go in the field, you can obtain response of such "phenomenon".
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llevas razón Esteban,
I should quit my chair and go to the field.Computer radiation is not good anyway...
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llevas razón Esteban,
I should quit my chair and go to the field.Computer radiation is not good anyway...
The lasts months also I'm fixed on the chair!
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This is in concordance with the famous column of ions: emission of ionic vertical lines, translated from the Portuguese, in red square mark.

I'm ultrashure that exists a kind of emission from this targets buried for long time!
Why do you suppose this "emission" has managed to escape detection by rational science, through all these years?
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